If Perchance Catholicism Is Mistaken

So, let me get this right.... You think the disciples who are saints were devils ?

Yep, I use to be a member of Indonesian bible study online, one catholic member claim to able to communicate with one of the saint.

I know statue not able to communicate with human, but devil in the statue that pretend to be a saint do.

My friend, disciple are not devil, but they are physically die and not able to talk to us anymore.

If Paul still able to talk to us, I Will ask him to preach in my church every sunday

No one should minimize the serious spiritual damage that the Catholic Church has inflicted on millions of people. That Church has not been *sometimes mistaken* but constantly mistaken. And then the hierarchy have swept all the sins of the clergy under the rug. Any honest Catholic would walk away from this travesty of Christianity, with all kinds of superstitions attached to it.

Also, the pronouncements of the pope (ex cathedra) are supposed to be infallible, and he calls himself the vicar of Christ. So he has in fact taken the position of God. The priests can somehow magically convert "the host" into Christ, and also forgive sins. Again taking the place of God. None of this is authorized in Scripture.

In the context of the conversation we were having about "apostles" and "apostle authority" I was referring to Ambassadors of Christ. A text taken out of context is a pretext and Dan and I were talking about NT writings and not about the OT or Adam, and were showing how some of the early writings, especially the Gospel of Thomas contradicts those who had the Testimony with them.

Wicked men of evil devices will always be open and receptive to learning anything that will allow themselves to circumvent the truth of Gods word. God has declared that His word will endure forever.

Men do not leave the truth unless they are dishonest with themselves.

God wrote the bible. Men wrote the history of the bible. If the history of the bible were a major deciding factor then Judaism would be the religion of truth in the world.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Like all denominations there are good and bad people in each. There are a lot of really nice Catholics that are ignorant to the truth and God will judge us all.
I believe the fault with Catholicism is that they put mans authority above the word of God. Tradition vs the Bible. They choose traditions and say God has given them the right to change what the word plainly states.

I'm very very sad indeed to see the way people here are drawing battle lines and using God as a reason to fight.
I'm connected to God before any church or particular sect, and I don't think we should be forming these political divisions, which are about ego and earthly rivalries.
I wish I knew what to say about it, but I feel that it's wrong.

Well, did you understand what I wrote here?

"Some people say government taxation is theft, some people say private property is theft."

Are you following what I'm saying about how different people have different ideas about stealing?

Good people or bad people is not relevant. All men are bad until they are born again by Christ. There are only saved people and unsaved people. We must judge by the word of God the bible and not our flawed human standards.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Hi thanks.

Sorry. I thought you were attributing it to the apostles as in Catholicism.

I would suggest the Gospel of Thomas contradicts the word of God's testimony. His two witnesses. . the law and the prophets (sola scriptura)

Yes, but what would it have to do with using teraphims to put a face on what Catholic must call patron saint when seeking the help of disembodied spirits. They are called workers with familiar spirits a in the bible and we are warned not to serve then as a source of faith (the unseen ) .One manner our father in heaven.

I believe all 3500 ( the Legion) and rising are available to purchase . some server dual purposes . or more than one can be used for the same .

A common one is what is called a Saint Christopher medallion or statue.... the protecting god of travel. Or the use of counting beads (rosary) to promote the ideology of a Queen mother of heaven . The whole list of workers with familiar spirit gods is available and rising picking up speed .

I'm going to say something very harsh. I've thought it through a lot and I hesitate to be confrontational if that's what it is, but it must be said.

People who thump the table and insist on their own conclusions being the definitive version of God's will ,then rebuking those who dissent or question their perfect thinking are just another kind of blasphemy.

They seek not only to judge man, but to judge God himself. They are no more capable of understanding what God knows than I am. They attack the Catholic Church for example, thinking that they know better than millions and millions of people who have sought salvation through it, and somehow imagining that their own thinking upon the matter is vastly superior to generations of learned and Godly scholars .

I'm not here to represent the Catholic Church particularly by the way and there are many aspects of it which could be discussed and questioned, but this very extreme vilification and condemnation of so many other Christians is plainly horrible.

The way some seem to go on about this reminds me of the worst secularist despots who say such similar things about Christianity in general.

I feel very sad indeed to read it here.

I despise the Catholic Church for instilling unwarranted guilt, fear and uncertainty upon countless people. I try sharing the love of God and His saving grace with many Catholics and they look at me like I have three heads. My heart breaks for those people. That said, if you have peace within the Catholic Church and proclaim Jesus as Lord and Savior then I am happy for you.

Very distinguished resume of your brother. however, Rome is wrong God is not. No one can say that your brother is in hell or should say we do not know. The word of God says that Faith in the Lord Jesus christ is until salvation. people do not go to hell because of sin. They go to hell because they did not Believe and have faith in the Lord Jesus Christ John 3:16-18 Jesus is the only way to salvation not Rome catholics , or baptist or pentecostal Jesus is the only way. FYI there are many catholics whom I have met who have asked Jesus to come into their hearts an Beleive Jesus is the only answer.

You try to define is taxation Theft.



That is big different subject with is taking other property without permission or legal reason thieft?


If you say pope oN the picture that bow infront of statue, not bow unto than what is bow unto look like?

Sounds like you are getting the message of truth. Sad hardly describes the horrors of Rome leading millions and millions of souls into destruction while withholding the truth of the gospel.

Don't blame the messengers. There is no joy in exposing Rome's false gospel.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

I don't see what the contradiction is there actually.
Tell me, have I misunderstood this forum ?
Is it just for some local variety of Protestantism ?
I thought it was for Christians generally, and I kind of expected a bit more love and humility all round.

Am I just on the wrong message thread, or are people here generally angry with each other ...... I don't mean to be presumptuous when I only just joined but I'm genuinely confused.

You know, some Catholics are just as bigoted against Protestants as vice versa and in many times and places that's resulted in war and persecution.

I wish I was as certain as some here about the mind of God - well I don't really because that's a terrible sin of pride - I'm still learning though, as we all are in reality. One thing I'm pretty certain about though is that He doesn't want anyone to be horrible or cruel to their brothers over their views of Christianity.

Our Lord Jesus Christ told us to love our neighbours, and to understand as a child would .
A child listens and learns. I believe that we should do this and respect the earnestly held beliefs of others as long as they're not overtly sinful.

We all make mistakes and the answer to that is prayer and discussion.

Anyway, as I said above, if I've inadvertently walked into a sectarian forum, would someone just tell me that.

If we know other walking toward the abyss, do we not love them and try to stop them?

You think people that try to stop people from hell is hatred and people that do not care other go to hell is love.

No, I didn't say hatred.
I just suggested a less bombastic approach. Of course we must advocate what we believe to be the true word