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KJV1611 said:
Well one time you said some people call it hell. But I noticed that the bible version you quoted from called it Hades.
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King James Version did not differentiate between Hades and Gehenna. But they are two different places because hades is cast into Gehenna. ( probably meaning the inhabitants of Hades cast into Gehenna, see my earlier posts) Would you say hell could be cast into hell?

I love the King James Version, but if that’s the only version you use, you’d better do some digging in the original languages. You don’t necessarily have to learn them, there are good tools to help you. But if you don’t carefully define terms, you are getting all mixed up
 
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KJV1611 said:
How about some constructive criticism instead of insults. :)
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The constructive criticism was already given by VCO, Dcon and the rest.

WE RAN OUT

Alls I got left is insults! SoRRY! Deontay Wilder's grandma did say: "Honey if you aint got nothing nice to say, then dont say nothing at all!" Maybe I should take her advice!

Its just that because you refuse to look at the underlying greek text or other translations, all efforts to explain Hades/Gehenna and where Jesus went are kinda pointless. Its just KJV KJV and more KJV
 
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Macabeus said:
Hades had two parts. The place where the faithful went at death, Abraham’s bosom and the other part where the lost went

Jesus emptied Abe’s bosom. The


Two diiferent places, two different Greek words.

A. Hades is the place where the unsaved dead go when they die to await judgement.

B. The unsaved dead will be raised and judged, and condemned because their names will not be found in the book of Life

C. The judged will be cast into Gehenna, also called Lake of Fire, outer datkness, and Without ( outside the Holy city)

D. That is why scripture says death and hell will be cast into the lake of fire. The inhabitants of Hades will be raised, judged, and cast into the lake of fire

E. Hades is kind of like jail where wait trial, and Gehenna is like the penitentiary where you go after judgement
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I dont disagree with that, I said the same thing with KJV terminology. The only difference I can see is that since you consider Abraham's bosom to be a place then you probably don't believe that Jesus went to hell/hades.
 
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The constructive criticism was already given by VCO, Dcon and the rest.

WE RAN OUT

Alls I got left is insults! SoRRY! Deontay Wilder's grandma did say: "Honey if you aint got nothing nice to say, then dont say nothing at all!" Maybe I should take her advice!

Its just that because you refuse to look at the underlying greek text or other translations, all efforts to explain Hades/Gehenna and where Jesus went are kinda pointless. Its just KJV KJV and more KJV
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To each his own I guess. The KJV says Jesus went to hell, I believe it, and I see it in several different places in scripture.
 
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KJV1611 said:
I dont disagree with that, I said the same thing with KJV terminology. The only difference I can see is that since you consider Abraham's bosom to be a place then you probably don't believe that Jesus went to hell/hades.
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Doesn’t necessarily follow. Jesus didn’t go to Gehenna.
 
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KJV1611 said:
Well one time you said some people call it hell. But I noticed that the bible version you quoted from called it Hades.
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Twisting again

Good day sir

Please do not respond to me anymore on this matter
 
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Macabeus said:
Doesn’t necessarily follow. Jesus didn’t go to Gehenna.
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Then where are these places?

Mat_12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Eph_4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
 
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Hevosmies said:
The constructive criticism was already given by VCO, Dcon and the rest.

WE RAN OUT

Alls I got left is insults! SoRRY! Deontay Wilder's grandma did say: "Honey if you aint got nothing nice to say, then dont say nothing at all!" Maybe I should take her advice!

Its just that because you refuse to look at the underlying greek text or other translations, all efforts to explain Hades/Gehenna and where Jesus went are kinda pointless. Its just KJV KJV and more KJV
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Yes, I don’t agree with you, but notice I have not insulted you. Some folks like to insult those they disagree with, name calling and such. Which is why I attacked back. But don’t do that, because they’ll gang up on you

One guy starts insulting you, and when you stand up for yourself, several jump on you like a pack
 
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Then where are these places?

Mat_12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Eph_4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
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Hades is in the heart of the earth, perhaps. Or heart of the earth might mean grave. But Jesus did go to a place where the dead had consciousness

Gehenna is going to be the place outside of the Celestial city, eternally separated from God in the lake of fire. I don’t know if it exists yet, not sure.

Satan, the beast and the false prophet will be Gehenna’s first inhabitants
 
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Hades is in the heart of the earth, perhaps. Or heart of the earth might mean grave. But Jesus did go to a place where the dead had consciousness

Gehenna is going to be the place outside of the Celestial city, eternally separated from God in the lake of fire. I don’t know if it exists yet, not sure.

Satan, the beast and the false prophet will be Gehenna’s first inhabitants
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KJV calls it hell and the lake of fire. Is the word hell used in the translations you read?
 
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Macabeus said:
Hades is in the heart of the earth, perhaps. Or heart of the earth might mean grave. But Jesus did go to a place where the dead had consciousness

Gehenna is going to be the place outside of the Celestial city, eternally separated from God in the lake of fire. I don’t know if it exists yet, not sure.

Satan, the beast and the false prophet will be Gehenna’s first inhabitants
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Also, it is true that satan does not go to Hades. He walks to and fro on the earth. But he will go to Gehenna along with his followers

There is also a place called the abyss, bottomless pit where satan is said to be or will be temporarily bound. There are differences of opinion as to whether the abyss is literal place or a symbolic binding
 
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KJV1611 said:
KJV calls it hell and the lake of fire. Is the word hell used in the translations you read?
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I use the KJV and other translations. I also use Greek texts which say hades when speaking of Hades and Gehenna when speaking of Gehenna
 
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Macabeus said:
I use the KJV and other translations. I also use Greek texts which say hades when speaking of Hades and Gehenna when speaking of Gehenna
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So for future reference, are hell and Hades the same place and Gehenna is the lake of fire?
 
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With all these different names hell, Hades, sheol, Gehenna, abyss, lake of fire... I am not sure how to sort it all out...o_O:unsure:
 
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fredoheaven said:
The old Saxon gave the translation of hades as helle.

http://www.archive.org/stream/dahalgangodspelo00thor#page/n45/mode/2up

I believe the story of the rich man portrays two compartments hades, hell where the rich man fell and a paradise for Lazarus.
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I do not believe the FABLE of two compartments of Hades. It is a place of torment for disembodied spirit of the unrighteous after they die. I offer as EVIDENCE:

Malachi 3:6 (ESV)
6 “For I the LORD do not change;
therefore you, O children of Jacob, are not consumed.

2 Corinthians 5:8 (NKJV)
8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be
absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.


PERIOD! Same for both the O.T. Saints and the N.T. Saints.
 
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CherieR said:
With all these different names hell, Hades, sheol, Gehenna, abyss, lake of fire... I am not sure how to sort it all out...o_O:unsure:
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One thing about the KJV is they translated a lot of original words as hell. To me it makes it simpler and easier to keep up with. After all, there is only hell and the lake of fire.
 
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KJV1611 said:
So for future reference, are hell and Hades the same place and Gehenna is the lake of fire?
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Hell is an english word that is used for both
KJV1611 said:
So for future reference, are hell and Hades the same place and Gehenna is the lake of fire?
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Hell is an English word used for both hades and Gehenna, but they are different in Greek. Sometimes, translations do not perfectly convey meaning from one language to another
 
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CherieR said:
With all these different names hell, Hades, sheol, Gehenna, abyss, lake of fire... I am not sure how to sort it all out...o_O:unsure:
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Sheol is the Hebrew word that means the same as greek Gehenna. Same thing, just different languages, like cat and gato

Gehenna and the lake of fire are synonomous

Hades is like jail. Unsaved go there to await trial. Gehenna like the pen. They go there after judgement

Abyss only has to do with satan.

Oh, there’s also Tartarus. That’s like a prison for demons
 
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Macabeus said:
Hell is an english word that is used for both


Hell is an English word used for both hades and Gehenna, but they are different in Greek. Sometimes, translations do not perfectly convey meaning from one language to another
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I don't think hell is used for both in the KJV. Do you have an example?
 
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KJV1611 said:
I don't think hell is used for both in the KJV. Do you have an example?
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For example quick examples,

Matthew 5:30, the word translated hell there is Gehenna

Acts 2:31, the word translated hell there is hades

Just two examples, there are more

Have to stop for tonight. Take care
 
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