Thief on the Cross

Is this not interesting wansvic that here you are saying the following in your very last sentence. "I was obedient to what is seen in the Word because Jesus said that it is the Word everyone will be judged by."

Well then, why are you disobeying the Words of Jesus at Matthew 28:19-20? Look what Jesus says at vs20, "teaching them (that is the disciples that are already saved) to observe ALL THAT I COMMANDED YOU; and lo I am with you always even to the end of the age."

This is not hard to understand because you have Jesus saying to water baptize in the name/AUTHORITY of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. So the question is why are you only baptizing in the name of Jesus and exclusing the authroity of the Father and the Holy Spirit?

And to make matters even worse for you, what Jesus said here pre-dates what was done at Acts 2:38 or for that matter any other verses that you have quoted to support your heretical view. You have to know how to "reconcile" (and not just here but throughout the Bible) verses that "appear" to contradict each other. God does not contradict Himself.

It's easy on your part just to say, "Well God knows those who are His." Or, "God will judge who is right," and finally, "each individual has to make up his own mind, which means your view is leaving people hanging and as the Apostle Paul said, "upsetting the faith of some." Your not being logical wansvic and God is "NEVER" illogical. In short, your causing confusion in the body of Christ Church. Remember, God has to say something only once for it to be the truth.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

So the question is why are you only baptizing in the name of Jesus and exclusing the authroity of the Father and the Holy Spirit?

And to make matters even worse for you, what Jesus said here pre-dates what was done at Acts 2:38 or for that matter any other verses that you have quoted to support your heretical view.

You have to know how to "reconcile" (and not just here but throughout the Bible) verses that "appear" to contradict each other. God does not contradict Himself.

This is not hard to understand because you have Jesus saying to water baptize in the name/AUTHORITY of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. So the question is why are you only baptizing in the name of Jesus and exclusing the authroity of the Father and the Holy Spirit?

You are right. God does not contradict Himself. Jesus said to baptize in a name. All water baptisms recorded are done in the name of the Lord Jesus. No contradiction.

Just because a tradition began years ago and continues unto today does not mean it adheres to what the bible says.

Jesus said to baptize in the NAME of...
The apostles use of Jesus singular name makes it clear what Jesus meant.
Paul's statement confirms the use of the singular name of Jesus as well.

If the record provided even one occurrence of baptism done "in the of name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost" I would accept that was what Jesus meant. If there are 2 or 3 scriptures that I am unaware of please provide them.

What? There is nothing "traditional" about what Jesus commanded at Matthew 28:19. This is just another excuse by you to make void the clear words of Jesus Christ. Secondly, perhaps you can explain to all of us here why at Matthew 28:19 the "Name" is in the singular?

You also made this statement: If the record provided even one occurrence of baptism done "in the of name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost" I would accept that was what Jesus meant. If there are 2 or 3 scriptures that I am unaware of please provide them."

No you wouldn't wansvic. I and others here as well as in the Bible you were already given a record as you call it from Acts 10:45 where it clearly says that Cornelius recieved the gift of the Holy Spirit "BEFOR" he was water baptized and you rejected it. God only has to speak once for it to be the truth. Checkmate!

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

I don't know about all of this...I was baptized in the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost....I can't understand what would be wrong with that. Then again, if I was baptized in the Name of Jesus only...I still don't know what would be wrong with that...

To the ones that say you have to be baptized in the name of Jesus only...Do you all think Jesus don't want you to mention the name of the Father and the Holy Ghost? If so why not?

Now to the ones who say you must be Baptized in the the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit....Do you think the Father and the Holy Spirit is gonna get jealous because their name wasn't mentioned?

I'm not trying to be rude here...just trying to understand the dilemma.

What? There is nothing "traditional" about what Jesus commanded at Matthew 28:19. This is just another excuse by you to make void the clear words of Jesus Christ. Secondly, perhaps you can explain to all of us here why at Matthew 28:19 the "Name" is in the singular?

You clearly don't know what the bible says about how to confirm concepts in God's Word; ie, how to water baptize, when one receives the gift of the Holy Spirit, etc. If 2-3 scriptures don't say the same thing than they don't mean what you think they mean.

"In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established." 2 Cor 13:1

Changing the subject about the use of the name shows your inability to provide scripture on the topic. Our opinion means nothing if it is not backed up by the Word.

By the way, do you know how were Cornelius and others baptized? "And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord" Acts 10:48

No, not once have I wondered.
The thief openly said to our Lord he knew who he was, and demonstrated faith in him when the thief asked Jesus to remember him in paradise.
He entered into the covenant as we are all told is simple enough. By faith.
God chose us in his son, in the covenant of grace, before he created this world where his adversary prowls like unto a hungry lion and seeking souls to devour. We come to faith , our consciousness arrives at re-cognizing we are within and of God, as are all things created of, by, and for his purpose, will, and glory.

The thief to the other side of Jesus was not called and remained obstinate as he mocked Christ and his compatriot on the other cross. It is a three fold proof of salvation, belief, and disbelief and what transpires. Flesh to the ground from whence it came , while the soul given by God returns to the creator from whence it came. The other thief? Is the dead that know nothing. And yet, all came from God and so unto God all doth return. There can be no other place than the one from whence all things were created to be and not to be.

...instead they follow the party line....

The point is that Jesus said to baptize in a name not titles. The forerunners of the Roman Catholic Church started to use the phrase I baptize you in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost in 325 a.d. The bible gives a clear record of how the apostles baptized. It was consistently done in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Consider the following:
“O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me. And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.” John 17:25-26 (Father)

“And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.” Colossians 3:17 (Son)

“But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. John 14:26 (Holy Ghost)

This is true for all cults. They have indoctrinated and brainwashed their adherents to the point that none are willing to independently study the Bible and see for themselves what is right and what is not. To that degree Roman Catholics and Calvinists fall into the same trap (as do many other groups). As a result you could throw scores of Scriptures their way, but they would have absolutely no impact.

The danger for everyone is WILFUL BLINDNESS. When God shows us the truth in His Word, He expects up to believe it unreservedly. But the minute we choose to become willfully blind, He withholds more light from us. And that is why Jesus gave us this solemn warning: For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. (Matthew 13:12).

Then He went on to say: Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

I still don't get it...or why it matters?

Why did Jesus say to baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, then?

Don't they all three work together as one? So what does it matter if you just say Jesus or Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?

Seeing I was Baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, do you think my baptism is null or void? That's what I don't understand.

That's what I'd like to understand.

Here, let me explain what's going on. wansvic here says that a person is saved by putting their faith in Jesus Christ BUT you also HAVE to be water baptized as well to be saved. In other words, if you put your faith in Jesus Christ and are NOT water baptized your not saved.

I (and others say) your saved when you put your faith in Jesus Christ and you are "commnaded" to get water baptized but if you can't get water baptized a person is still saved. What wansvic is doing is adding water baptisim to saving faith and water baptism is a work.

It goes against Ephesians 2:8,9, "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God. vs9, "NOT AS A RESULT OF WORKS, THAT ONE SHOULD BOAST." It could not be more clear. And one of the points I have been trying to get across to wansvic is what happens to a person who puts their faith in Jesus Christ and it is impossible for them to get baptized under a million conditions like for example they are bed-ridden.

So, what is your understanding 1ofthem?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

I still don't get it...or why it matters?

Why did Jesus say to baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, then?

Don't they all three work together as one? So what does it matter if you just say Jesus or Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?

Seeing I was Baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, do you think my baptism is null or void? That's what I don't understand.

That's what I'd like to understand.