Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.
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I don't think so. Those that are surprised by the outcome of the judgement align with this prophesy:
Isa 65:1“I revealed Myself to those who did not ask for Me; I was found by those who did not seek Me. I said, ‘Here I am! Here I am!’ to a nation that did not call My name.
It also means the first shall be the last and the last shall be the first.
Timing as to when salvation is granted- to me is very clear:
Rev 14:
12Here is a call for the endurance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
13And I heard a voice from heaven telling me to write, “Blessed are the dead—those who die in the Lord from this moment on.”
“Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labors, for their deeds will follow them.”
You are made perfect (blessed) at your death and you rest from your works/labor, but as long as you are still in the tent of your body, you labor.
Isa 65:1“I revealed Myself to those who did not ask for Me; I was found by those who did not seek Me. I said, ‘Here I am! Here I am!’ to a nation that did not call My name.
It also means the first shall be the last and the last shall be the first.
Timing as to when salvation is granted- to me is very clear:
Rev 14:
12Here is a call for the endurance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
13And I heard a voice from heaven telling me to write, “Blessed are the dead—those who die in the Lord from this moment on.”
“Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labors, for their deeds will follow them.”
You are made perfect (blessed) at your death and you rest from your works/labor, but as long as you are still in the tent of your body, you labor.
Ever notice that even these righteous people, who did things for the Lord, who are blessed of the Father, didn't even know that works would save them. The effect of doing things right is because they are righteous. It is a natural flow for the sheep to hear his voice and follow him.
John 10:26-28 King James Version (KJV)
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
John 10:26-28 King James Version (KJV)
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Genuine believers don't even know what they did for Christ:
Matt 25:
37Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You something to drink? 38When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39When did we see You sick or in prison and visit You?’
40And the King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of Mine, you did for Me.’
It is simple. Faith is love for others and the one that love others, also loves Christ by loving others.
Matt 25:
37Then the righteous will answer Him, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You something to drink? 38When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39When did we see You sick or in prison and visit You?’
40And the King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of Mine, you did for Me.’
It is simple. Faith is love for others and the one that love others, also loves Christ by loving others.
Are you suggesting that works saves? what do you mean when you say that they didn't know their works would save them?
Those are not my thoughts. The one who loves has obeyed the command and abides in Christ's love. Obedience is not a byproduct of anything just like disobedience is not a by product of anything. Adam disobeyed and became a sinner, it was not sin that caused him to disobey, likewise, obedience cause righteousness and not righteousness causing obedience.
Those are not my thoughts. The one who loves has obeyed the command and abides in Christ's love. Obedience is not a byproduct of anything just like disobedience is not a by product of anything. Adam disobeyed and became a sinner, it was not sin that caused him to disobey, likewise, obedience cause righteousness and not righteousness causing obedience.
It is never about loving those who love you or loving a particular group of people but meeting the needs of the needy around us. And there are all sorts of needy people not only materially needy.
Loving others is loving Christ and loving others is knowing Christ. It has nothing to do with picturing Christ on a cross and imagining through your emotions that you love Christ- this is an impossibility because Christ now is a spirit in every living being (He holds everything together).
The needy will always be there with you, next to you every day.
Loving others is loving Christ and loving others is knowing Christ. It has nothing to do with picturing Christ on a cross and imagining through your emotions that you love Christ- this is an impossibility because Christ now is a spirit in every living being (He holds everything together).
The needy will always be there with you, next to you every day.
The passage is about being born again because of the abundant mercy of the Father. This hope of eternal salvation is made possible only by the resurrection of Christ. Without Christ Ressurection, then we are of all men most miserable. This lively hope refers to the past action of Christ and not our desire as something in the future we get. We already have it. The same salvation presently possessed is the same salvation to be revealed in the future time. The salvation we possessed, therefore, is eternal.
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
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I don't believe we're in Rev. 14 because you don't see the body of Christ after Rev. 3. The tribulation or Jacob's trouble(Jeremiah 30:4-7) is for Israel to come to recognize her true Messiah. God will refine a 1/3 Jewish remnant through the fire of the tribulation.
In Christ there is no Jew or gentile(Galatians 3:28) but Israel retains her national identity with an everlasting name(Isaiah 56:5).
Blindness in part has happened to Israel...TILL...the fullness of the gentiles come in(Romans 11;25) and then UP goes the church and God will be dealing with Israel again.
During the tribulation Israel will be purged.
And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, TWO PARTS therein shall be CUT OFF and die; but the THIRD shall be left therein.
And I will bring the THIRD PART through the fire(tribulation), and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God(Zechariah 13:8,9).
This is the 1/3 remnant Jesus talks about fleeing the antichrist in Matt. 24:15-20 and God protecting them in Rev. 12:13-17. At the 2nd coming this remnant will look on Whom they've pierced(Zechariah 12:10) and receive their true Messiah and be grafted back into the Vine, Jesus Christ(Romans 11:23-26). Jesus regathers this remnant back to their land(Matt. 24:31) in BELIEF. This remnant will comprise the nation of Israel and will enter the Millennium in natural bodies. This remnant is not part of the church but nevertheless saved.
In Christ there is no Jew or gentile(Galatians 3:28) but Israel retains her national identity with an everlasting name(Isaiah 56:5).
Blindness in part has happened to Israel...TILL...the fullness of the gentiles come in(Romans 11;25) and then UP goes the church and God will be dealing with Israel again.
During the tribulation Israel will be purged.
And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, TWO PARTS therein shall be CUT OFF and die; but the THIRD shall be left therein.
And I will bring the THIRD PART through the fire(tribulation), and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God(Zechariah 13:8,9).
This is the 1/3 remnant Jesus talks about fleeing the antichrist in Matt. 24:15-20 and God protecting them in Rev. 12:13-17. At the 2nd coming this remnant will look on Whom they've pierced(Zechariah 12:10) and receive their true Messiah and be grafted back into the Vine, Jesus Christ(Romans 11:23-26). Jesus regathers this remnant back to their land(Matt. 24:31) in BELIEF. This remnant will comprise the nation of Israel and will enter the Millennium in natural bodies. This remnant is not part of the church but nevertheless saved.
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Yes I am zealous through the Holy Spirit for the gospel.
And it is you who knows not the gospel preached by Jesus and the Apostles.
It is you who denies the scriptures and states that the Pentecostal Christian faith and doctrine of the first church is
no longer applicable nor true.
The epistle to Titus is not written to any Roman Catholics, nor to any Eastern Orthodox believers, nor to any Protestants, and it
definitely wasn't written to any U.S. version of Christianity, - the epistle of Titus was written to the Pentecostal Spirit-filled churches
of the NT where all started with Acts 2:38 and all disciples spoke in tongues as the sign of their baptism of the Holy Spirit.
And it is you who knows not the gospel preached by Jesus and the Apostles.
It is you who denies the scriptures and states that the Pentecostal Christian faith and doctrine of the first church is
no longer applicable nor true.
The epistle to Titus is not written to any Roman Catholics, nor to any Eastern Orthodox believers, nor to any Protestants, and it
definitely wasn't written to any U.S. version of Christianity, - the epistle of Titus was written to the Pentecostal Spirit-filled churches
of the NT where all started with Acts 2:38 and all disciples spoke in tongues as the sign of their baptism of the Holy Spirit.
Jesus Prays for His Disciples “I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word. Now they know that everything you have given me comes from you. For I gave them the words you gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me. I pray for them. I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours. All I have is yours, and all you have is mine. And glory has come to me through them. John 17:6-10
I have set you an example that you should do as I have done for you. John 13:15
How can anyone encourage their children to obey them and God if they(children) çan see that they're(parents)not even willing to obey their own parents.
To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps. 1 Peter 2:21 (ref
hilippians 1:29, Hebrews 5:7-9)
Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ. 1 Corinthians 11:1
Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did. 1 John 2:6
And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love. 2 John 1:6
Confess Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and Walk in Love.
GOD IS good and His LOVE endures forever. Amen
I have set you an example that you should do as I have done for you. John 13:15
How can anyone encourage their children to obey them and God if they(children) çan see that they're(parents)not even willing to obey their own parents.
To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps. 1 Peter 2:21 (ref
hilippians 1:29, Hebrews 5:7-9)Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ. 1 Corinthians 11:1
Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did. 1 John 2:6
And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love. 2 John 1:6
Confess Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and Walk in Love.
GOD IS good and His LOVE endures forever. Amen
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