Water Baptism-What is in a Name?
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Is Deuteronomy 22:5 translated properly?
Landon Davis
I was recently asked if Deuteronomy 22:5 was mistranslated in the KJV. Was it really intended to prohibit women from taking up warriors’ weapons or armor?
Maybe a more accurate translation would be something like this: “The woman shall not put on [the weapons/armor of a warrior], neither shall a [warrior] put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.”
http://www.apostolicallyspeaking.com/is-deuteronomy-225-translated-properly
Is Deuteronomy 22:5 translated properly?
Landon Davis
I was recently asked if Deuteronomy 22:5 was mistranslated in the KJV. Was it really intended to prohibit women from taking up warriors’ weapons or armor?
Maybe a more accurate translation would be something like this: “The woman shall not put on [the weapons/armor of a warrior], neither shall a [warrior] put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.”
http://www.apostolicallyspeaking.com/is-deuteronomy-225-translated-properly
It does not matter what a denomination teaches. What is important is being obedient to what is instructed in God's Word. That is what people will be judged on. Upon belief, repentance, water baptism and receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost are all necessary for salvation. This is clearly seen in the instructions given on the Day of Pentecost. Everyone must make their own choice.
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Like many I was baptized as a believer in a non-denominational church .Which is a denomination that wants to be recognized as Bible only. A good desire. But no such things as non denomination, as if the kingdom of God did come by looking at what the eyes see. .walking by sight.. Not understanding it fully its one of the doctrines, many take for granted , I revisited .I would offer.
No such thing as "sign gift" ( self edifying).
Yes a commandment like the commandment . . . believe on the Lord Jesus and a person will be saved having the new faith our first love or experience to make it possible to know Him. Like Jesus said in John6 when asked "what works could we do that would work to please God?" Jesus replied. . It is the work of God working in you to both will and do his good pleasure. . . . do so without murmuring.
We are baptized in a unseen power or authority. H20 has no power to give us a new spirit, new heart. Power to get wet yes but it evaporates like the dew on the grass. H20 can represent spirit but it never becomes a living source. .
The cerinimoinal washing when a new priest desired to go out into the world with the gospel .It is still applicable. But the water is not the name as the unseen power of God. H20 is used ceremonially to represent the unseen Spirit of faith .H20 does not produce grace. If it did then Aaron two sons missed the boat when they offered a person touch as false evidence they had some sort of special power as a oral tradition (sign gift) . They went up in smoke .The priestly ceremonial clothes. . . not a hint of smoke.
How it ever turned into a sign gift remines a mystery ? But it does destroy the foundation .Not a salvation issue but more of how can we hear God and not men?
No such thing as "sign gift" ( self edifying).
Yes a commandment like the commandment . . . believe on the Lord Jesus and a person will be saved having the new faith our first love or experience to make it possible to know Him. Like Jesus said in John6 when asked "what works could we do that would work to please God?" Jesus replied. . It is the work of God working in you to both will and do his good pleasure. . . . do so without murmuring.
We are baptized in a unseen power or authority. H20 has no power to give us a new spirit, new heart. Power to get wet yes but it evaporates like the dew on the grass. H20 can represent spirit but it never becomes a living source. .
The cerinimoinal washing when a new priest desired to go out into the world with the gospel .It is still applicable. But the water is not the name as the unseen power of God. H20 is used ceremonially to represent the unseen Spirit of faith .H20 does not produce grace. If it did then Aaron two sons missed the boat when they offered a person touch as false evidence they had some sort of special power as a oral tradition (sign gift) . They went up in smoke .The priestly ceremonial clothes. . . not a hint of smoke.
How it ever turned into a sign gift remines a mystery ? But it does destroy the foundation .Not a salvation issue but more of how can we hear God and not men?
The encyclopedia references where provided as evidence that the original mandate as recorded in the bible was changed. Therefore, even unto today people are following a man-made tradition rather than being obedient to God.
Again, the bible gives clear evidence of how water baptism is to be administered. Please provide scripture where anyone was water baptized in the name of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. You cannot, because none exist.
Again, the bible gives clear evidence of how water baptism is to be administered. Please provide scripture where anyone was water baptized in the name of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. You cannot, because none exist.
Fundamentally, we would disagree as evangelical Christians.
We believe that one is justified, or brought into a right relationship with God, by faith alone.
Baptism is a command, but it is a work that follows salvation.
The order of salvation is something like this:
Preaching of Gospel => Conviction => Faith and Repentance => Confession => Works (including baptism)
The order is important. Works are a fruit of salvation, not a cause of salvation.
Baptism does not convey salvation. It is an event that reflects the fact that regeneration, or being born again, has already occurred.
And, those who claim tongues must evidence salvation are heretics. They are claiming that something unique to Pentecost must occur for every believer. Additionally, the gift of "tongues", however you define them and whether they are applicable today, is not possessed by every believer.
I would invite anyone reading this to look at the pdf document that I posted, as the teachings presented here are classic Oneness Pentecostalism.
We believe that one is justified, or brought into a right relationship with God, by faith alone.
Baptism is a command, but it is a work that follows salvation.
The order of salvation is something like this:
Preaching of Gospel => Conviction => Faith and Repentance => Confession => Works (including baptism)
The order is important. Works are a fruit of salvation, not a cause of salvation.
Baptism does not convey salvation. It is an event that reflects the fact that regeneration, or being born again, has already occurred.
And, those who claim tongues must evidence salvation are heretics. They are claiming that something unique to Pentecost must occur for every believer. Additionally, the gift of "tongues", however you define them and whether they are applicable today, is not possessed by every believer.
I would invite anyone reading this to look at the pdf document that I posted, as the teachings presented here are classic Oneness Pentecostalism.
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John 6:28-30 Then they said to him, “What must we do, to be doing the works of God?” 29 Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.” 30
(ESV Strong's)
Is this what you're referring to? It basically says that the work we must do is believe. It doesn't mention anything else. That is why evangelicals believe in justification by faith alone. However, good works are produced as a fruit of salvation. If one wants to say baptism is a good work that issues as a fruit of salvation, I'm ok with that, and in fact that's my position. Defining it as a condition of salvation isn't correct theologically.
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I suggest you form your doctrine based on the abundance of clear passages, and then interpret the less clear passages in light of the clear passages.
I referred to Acts 10 earlier....the Gentiles heard, believed, and spoke in tongues. THEN they were baptized. If your theology claims that tongues follow salvation, then baptism followed salvation by necessity.
Notice that I am using your worldview. The order of salvation was presented in an earlier post.
I referred to Acts 10 earlier....the Gentiles heard, believed, and spoke in tongues. THEN they were baptized. If your theology claims that tongues follow salvation, then baptism followed salvation by necessity.
Notice that I am using your worldview. The order of salvation was presented in an earlier post.
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Acts 2:15-17 King James Version (KJV) For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: (not jewish flesh alone)and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Its one of those duo things. The Holy Spirit of Christ signified as the husband of the bride desires recognition for the spirit of the matter. A picture of the gospel to the world. Husbands love your wives as Christ love his bride the church.
The bride women in a sense suffered during the time period of Kings (a pagan foundation). The woman was separated from the man just as the gentiles, another separation. Separated by high walls (15 feet). They were not allowed to participate in the ceremonies used as a picture to the unbelieving world. They as a sign in all of those kind of laws that governed ceremonies " a show" pointed ahead to the suffering of Christ beforehand and the glory that followed.( 1 Peter 1:11) .
When the reformation came and Jesus said it is finished the walls lost they pagan value. The way to the holiest was open the believers became the new temple/. Setting up one new ceremonial law made up of two parts . One part using the head of man and hair of a woman alone with the braking of bread drinking of the blood of grapes as one reflected glory of the unseen wedding supper on the last day . Much has been lost in that way. The picture to the world would seem to be diminishing because of singular things.
Male and female used to indicate abiding in the promised restored form of government . Promised in Joel men and woman from all the nations all tongue as a sign to the world .
Woman prophetess like Deborah (the Bee) Did put on the Armor of God and did participate to show our God who is not served by human hands puts no difference between men and women or this nation and that . When the men were to weak to go alone Christ send the dynamic duel .The two become one ministry.
Judges 4 King James Version (KJV) And the children of Israel again did evil in the sight of the Lord, when Ehud was dead. And the Lord sold them into the hand of Jabin king of Canaan, that reigned in Hazor; the captain of whose host was Sisera, which dwelt in Harosheth of the Gentiles.And the children of Israel cried unto the Lord: for he had nine hundred chariots of iron; and twenty years he mightily oppressed the children of Israel. And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time. And she dwelt under the palm tree of Deborah between Ramah and Bethel in mount Ephraim: and the children of Israel came up to her for judgment.And she sent and called Barak the son of Abinoam out of Kedeshnaphtali, and said unto him, Hath not the Lord God of Israel commanded, saying, Go and draw toward mount Tabor, and take with thee ten thousand men of the children of Naphtali and of the children of Zebulun? And I will draw unto thee to the river Kishon Sisera, the captain of Jabin's army, with his chariots and his multitude; and I will deliver him into thine hand. And Barak said unto her, If thou wilt go with me, then I will go: but if thou wilt not go with me, then I will not go
Thanks for the reply. I would offer.
Justification by faith alone is not without the work of Christ's labor of love called a work of faith .Can't separate the faith or plan of God from the work of executing it.
I think in the way the good works that we do is only because we are yoked with him. As always he must do the first work working in us to both will and do his good pleasure .(imputed righteousness) It is from that stand point that when we do fall we are reminded to do the first works of Him working in us . . . . believing him not seen the eternal our first experience, wonderment.
If any man has not that Spirit of Christ the Holy Spirit .Then it would seem they do it according to their own good pleasure like the example of those in Mathew 7 .he performed to works according to his own good pleasure. Jesus said ...I never knew you . He did not say the works were not performed. He is not served by human hands as a will .He moves us not us Him.
Some it would seem forget he give a us the desire to walk by faith. In that way God name is jealous, he reminds us of the better things in Hebrews 6, things that company salvation. . . . he will not forget the good works we offer towards his name strengthening us to finish it. (the kind of food the disciples at first knew not of..
John 4:34Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.
I would offer yes it is the work of God working in us that we can believe.
Justification by faith alone is not without the work of Christ's labor of love called a work of faith .Can't separate the faith or plan of God from the work of executing it.
I think in the way the good works that we do is only because we are yoked with him. As always he must do the first work working in us to both will and do his good pleasure .(imputed righteousness) It is from that stand point that when we do fall we are reminded to do the first works of Him working in us . . . . believing him not seen the eternal our first experience, wonderment.
If any man has not that Spirit of Christ the Holy Spirit .Then it would seem they do it according to their own good pleasure like the example of those in Mathew 7 .he performed to works according to his own good pleasure. Jesus said ...I never knew you . He did not say the works were not performed. He is not served by human hands as a will .He moves us not us Him.
Some it would seem forget he give a us the desire to walk by faith. In that way God name is jealous, he reminds us of the better things in Hebrews 6, things that company salvation. . . . he will not forget the good works we offer towards his name strengthening us to finish it. (the kind of food the disciples at first knew not of..
John 4:34Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.
I would offer yes it is the work of God working in us that we can believe.
When evaluating all scripture depicting salvation experiences all three components are clearly seen regardless of sequence. Surely God knew Cornelius and those with him would submit to water baptism when informed it was necessary.
Consider a few things associated with the record of the Gentiles repentance unto life outlined in Acts 10:
Acts 10:47 - Peter asked the other Jews present if they thought it proper to forbid to administer water baptism to those who had received God's Spirit. Why question if it was ok to water baptize someone if water baptism is nothing more than a public display? In answer, God's designed water baptism is much more, it is a baptism of repentance for the remission of sins that opens the door to eternal life. (Mark 1:4)
Acts 11:16-18 - After the events noted in Acts 10, Peter explains to the Jewish leaders that he was not going to withstand God after seeing that God filled them with His Holy Spirit the same way He had them on the Day of Pentecost. What did Peter do in order not to withstand God? He administered water baptism to the Gentiles in the name of the Lord.
"When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life." Acts 11:18
In each record of those who followed Peter's instructions all incorporate everything he said. Believe, repent, get water baptized in Jesus' name and receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (Acts 8:12-18, 10:44-48, 19:1-6) If any one of the components was not necessary we would expect to see a record excluding one of the three.
Consider a few things associated with the record of the Gentiles repentance unto life outlined in Acts 10:
Acts 10:47 - Peter asked the other Jews present if they thought it proper to forbid to administer water baptism to those who had received God's Spirit. Why question if it was ok to water baptize someone if water baptism is nothing more than a public display? In answer, God's designed water baptism is much more, it is a baptism of repentance for the remission of sins that opens the door to eternal life. (Mark 1:4)
Acts 11:16-18 - After the events noted in Acts 10, Peter explains to the Jewish leaders that he was not going to withstand God after seeing that God filled them with His Holy Spirit the same way He had them on the Day of Pentecost. What did Peter do in order not to withstand God? He administered water baptism to the Gentiles in the name of the Lord.
"When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life." Acts 11:18
In each record of those who followed Peter's instructions all incorporate everything he said. Believe, repent, get water baptized in Jesus' name and receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (Acts 8:12-18, 10:44-48, 19:1-6) If any one of the components was not necessary we would expect to see a record excluding one of the three.
Please share your thoughts concerning the following comment from post 90:
Why all the commotion about using the name of Jesus? Because there is power in the name of Jesus and the devil knows it.
"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." Acts 4:12
Why all the commotion about using the name of Jesus? Because there is power in the name of Jesus and the devil knows it.
"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." Acts 4:12
Those depicted below certainly believed in Jesus. Yet something was missing.
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Matt 7:21-23
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Matt 7:21-23