Trinity haters on CC

No, I will not leave the title "evangelical" at the door. It simply means that I adhere to the core teachings of the faith.

I am not Roman Catholic, and I am not Eastern Orthodox.

By the way, "evangelion" simply means "gospel" and implies that those who are evangelical believe in justification by faith alone, and honor Scripture as authoritative and inspired.

An evangelical is someone who holds those points.

Apparently if one takes a solid stance on core Christian doctrine, they are attacked, but if they are anti-Trinitarian, or deny the deity of Christ, they are considered to be plausible.

Jesus has many crowns the word of God says
HE is :

the Son of the Most High
Son of God
King of kings
Lord of lords
Son of Man
second Adam
Christ
Messiah
Alpha and Omega

Have you read a book on church history? How about Luther?

Are you aware of the language he used to confront those who were heretical? Some of his language was actually pretty vulgar.

I don't do that, but I certainly don't hold back from addressing those who deny core Christian doctrine. If you don't answer a fool, he thinks he's right.

Prov 26:4-5
Do not answer a fool according to his folly,
or you yourself will be just like him.
5 Answer a fool according to his folly,
or he will be wise in his own eyes.

One reason weird beliefs have proliferated within the Church is due to the refusal to answer such individuals.

Most don't even know enough Scripture or doctrine to answer them anyways so I guess those who do respond to them expose their own lack of diligent study, and they resent it.

where does it say Jesus is the Most High?

i agree with most all of them. i am not trying to teach anyone Jesus is NOT the Most High. my issue is IMO the bible does not say in simple words "Jesus is the Most High" anywhere. so i don't get why people get accused of all the nasty things because they do not believe something the bible does not say.

The WORD was God. The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.

It is right there in front of your face, but your eyes do not see it.

John chapter 8, Jesus is explaining to His nay-sayers Who He is, they are looking for a way to kill Him because He equates Himself with God... He tells them they will die in their sins "... if you do not believe that I am he." It is no trivial matter.

Ok I am not sure that is true, however, the title that was said to HIM HE did not deny it. In addition, many words in the Greek and Hebrew translate as most High el·yōn = name of God hü'-psē-stos highest, most high

Ok I am not sure that is true, however, the title that was said to HIM HE did not deny it. In addition, many words in the Greek and Hebrew translate as most High el·yōn = name of God hü'-psē-stos highest, most high

Out of curiosity, which verses are you referring to with the title that was said to him he did not deny?

im not sure it says it but im not going to push it any further. i know people get banned for asking these questions so im going to politely back out.

come on jaybird88 you have been here for long time I have never banned anyone for not agreeing with me or a mod LOL. I will provide the scripture I speaking about Mrk 5:6-8 The demon called him son of the most high and worshiped HIM

why does it not say Jesus is the Most High?

come on jaybird88 you have been here for long time I have never banned anyone for not agreeing with me or a mod LOL. I will provide the scripture I speaking about Mrk 5:6-8 The demon called him son of the most high and worshiped HIM

Someone asked about Jesus asking, just before He died on the cross, "My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?"

I cannot find that post now and do not know if anyone answered...

Jesus was quoting Psalm 22. Psalm 22 is a prophecy of Jesus' crucifixion.

The baptism scenario is written for your understanding and not for your confusion.

Q. When Jesus stood in river Jordan getting baptized, was He one person and one God by Himself or did He become one God only when the Father spoke and the Holy spirit descended?

I am not confused.

Clearly all 3 members of the 1 God were Present AND separate at Jesus' Baptism. No need for your private interpretations.

Jesus is fully God.

YHWH the Father is fully God.

The Holy Spirit is fully God.

There are many unanswerable questions surrounding this issue. Since you acknowledge Jesus is God, how can He not know the day or the hour, at least before His resurrection? Those unanswerable questions don't change that there is ONE God, existing in 3 persons. He IS God after all. Is that an unachievable thing for Him to do?

Jesus currently is at the Right Hand of His Father:

Bad doctrine is like gangrene. It needs to be excised from the body.

2 Tim 2: 14Remind them of these things, and charge them before God not to quarrel about words, which does no good, but only ruins the hearers. 15Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth. 16But avoid irreverent babble, for it will lead people into more and more ungodliness, 17and their talk will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, 18who have swerved from the truth, saying that the resurrection has already happened. They are upsetting the faith of some.19But God’s firm foundation stands, bearing this seal: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of the Lord depart from iniquity.”

Fundamentals such as the deity of Christ and the Trinity are important. And, to be honest, if you think they are minor issues, why do you try to convince others that they should deny these core teachings? Why not just remain silent about them?

The reality is that you want to convince others that you are right. Heretical people are driven to do this.

How important do you view the Trinity? Do you believe one must be a Trinitarian in order to be saved? If someone believes in Jesus and that he came in the flesh and is God but does not agree with Trinitarism or does not understand it, do you see his/her salvation at stake?

Nope.

Jesus was not quoting David rather David prophesied (pre-quoted Jesus). The words were meaningful in the context of Jesus on the cross and not David in his palace.
If you want to know how Jesus felt, you can go to that Psalm. The Psalm doesn't portray what David felt.

This is what you claim with your mouth but what you demonstrate is confusion.



This is the confusion i'm talking about.
If Jesus who we all know is One person/One being is Fully God/One God and All deity dwells in Him - then there you have your God and His description is One person, one God.
You can not have other distinct persons and still have one God.



Like i said, those things are written so that you may understand and not for your confusion. This is unanswerable only to a trinitarian. Jesus is the first and the last, the beginning and the end, how can He not know the end which He claims to be? Doesn't Jesus know Himself?
Jesus never said "i don't know the hour", He simply said "the son doesn't know the hour". This reinforces the fact that the son is not a person but an authority whose vacancy He created for you and i through which we are saved by becoming one with the Father.
Jesus came to demonstrate sonship.



There's no such thing as the right hand of the Father, only a trinitarian who has broken God into different parts would come up with such an expression.
The true expression should be 'the right hand of God'. It is not a place but a condition; it means glory, victory, Righteousness.

When God says "i will uphold you with my right hand", doesn't mean He will use His physical right hand to do anything, it means you will be righteous or victorious. If there such a thing as a physical right hand, then there should be a left hand too. We don't see anything about this left hand.