Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?
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Um no..
The we are what it says, “those who believe unto the saving of the soul” IE, those who have TRUE FAITH
They are those who fall back to destruction of the soul. Ie those who NEVER CAME TO SAVING FAITH.
You think your good deeds will save you? You do not understand your situation. Because if you did. You would not even contemplate that that would be so.
The we are what it says, “those who believe unto the saving of the soul” IE, those who have TRUE FAITH
They are those who fall back to destruction of the soul. Ie those who NEVER CAME TO SAVING FAITH.
You think your good deeds will save you? You do not understand your situation. Because if you did. You would not even contemplate that that would be so.
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Greetings lightbearer,
what we are seeing today is a reflection of;
Exo 20:18-21 KJV And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off. (19) And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die. (20) And Moses said unto the people, Fear not: for God is come to prove you, and that his fear may be before your faces, that ye sin not. (21) And the people stood afar off, and Moses drew near unto the thick darkness where God was.
Mt Siani was 50 days after Passover. It was the Pentecost of old, the time they were to receive the Holy Spirit in order to receive the Laws/Commandments of God upon their hearts. Instead they "stood afar off" "lest we die" Today the long awaited promise to write His Laws upon their hearts was to be fulfilled at Pentecost. We have an account of that in Acts. Each and every man must fact that "death" when the Holy Spirit overwrites our hearts with His Laws. wipes the hard drive in a manner of speaking.
So, those who resist the Torah are essentially resisting the Holy Spirit! They are those who "work without the Law" Matt 7:23
Unless they go through their Pentecost and stop resisting the renewing work of the Holy Spirit, perhaps the most terrifying part of the entire process, they are doomed never to know Jesus or The Heavenly Father!
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I'm sure you do EG! I'm sure you do!
It's not "the love"(only), that's the issue!
It's the STRENGTH of love for Jesus/God, that's the issue! aka "Inheritance!"
And, it's the strength in your, heart, soul, spirit, and MIND!
This is the "crux of the biscut!"
"The Socinians held to a rationalistic approach to Scripture and to faith. This philosophical approach, especially in regard to biblical doctrine, declares that all religious matters must be fully reconcilable with human reason, and that theological matters pertaining to the nature of God cannot be beyond the finite understanding of the human mind."
One cannot understand Spiritual matters concerning "Inheritance" of the Kingdom of God, with "human/carnal" minds!
This is why Jesus taught in parables! But, His Disciples had understanding!
This is why you keep asking questions "we" can't answer!
Because you CAN'T, or WON'T understand!
For if you did? You WOULDN'T be ASKING them! You would KNOW!
1 Peter 2
4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable TO God BY Jesus Christ.
Ya see? One CANNOT become "faint of heart", when these "spiritual sacrifices", are presented to our Father in Heaven!
Unless, of course, this goes "against" your doctrine of "salvation by grace through Faith ALONE!"
One must'nt forget! That that which our Father adds? (which is 24/7, btw) Can be? And is, just as quickly "UN-Added."
This can be "especially" pointed out in the parable of the different types of ground.
It's not "the love"(only), that's the issue!
It's the STRENGTH of love for Jesus/God, that's the issue! aka "Inheritance!"
And, it's the strength in your, heart, soul, spirit, and MIND!
This is the "crux of the biscut!"
"The Socinians held to a rationalistic approach to Scripture and to faith. This philosophical approach, especially in regard to biblical doctrine, declares that all religious matters must be fully reconcilable with human reason, and that theological matters pertaining to the nature of God cannot be beyond the finite understanding of the human mind."
One cannot understand Spiritual matters concerning "Inheritance" of the Kingdom of God, with "human/carnal" minds!
This is why Jesus taught in parables! But, His Disciples had understanding!
This is why you keep asking questions "we" can't answer!
Because you CAN'T, or WON'T understand!
For if you did? You WOULDN'T be ASKING them! You would KNOW!
1 Peter 2
4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable TO God BY Jesus Christ.
Ya see? One CANNOT become "faint of heart", when these "spiritual sacrifices", are presented to our Father in Heaven!
Unless, of course, this goes "against" your doctrine of "salvation by grace through Faith ALONE!"
One must'nt forget! That that which our Father adds? (which is 24/7, btw) Can be? And is, just as quickly "UN-Added."
This can be "especially" pointed out in the parable of the different types of ground.
I'm not sure of your point, but the publican was justified not by works but by faith. His works were not good, in relation to the Pharisee, but he was humble and had faith in God's mercy. Whether the specific word "grace" is used, this account indicates salvation by grace through faith alone.
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No! Not at all! If they, through repentance have received the Blood of Christ for remittance of their sins they are forgiven!
You tell me based on Matthew 7:21-23 does salvation include; your words "the infilling of the Holy Spirit and the cleansing of the inner man... or not?" This is what each and every man MUST answer for themselves! I cannot answer it for them! Nor Will I!
You are so very correct. Any chance you could name one person in this thread (or not in this thread) who believes that flesh could be? Not one? Me either. Because No one believes that
Everyone agrees, 100% that the flesh can not be justified by deeds of the law. (maybe somewhere else they do but not here)
Both sides also agree that Salvation is 100% a GIFT FROM GOD.
Not sure why they must be put in every 3rd post. Seems like you there is so much more to truth and knowledge and wisdom from God to be spreading, but that's just me. Seems weird to keep bringing up something no one believes.
I am just pointing out that a statement like that would never need to be made, if the law had indeed been taken away. I believe the law is as alive as ever, as opposed to dead.
It is to be followed, not worked for salvation. Just by this very statement "BY THE DEEDS OF THE LAW", that pesky law just keeps itself as valid today as it was when first GOD given.
That is the only statement I was making. Thank you for pointing it out once again.
The Perfect Law and the sin it reveals in me, leads me to repent, to change my "inner man". To keep my "flesh" where it belongs, under control. I ask that the sacrifice done by the Lamb of God cover me in every "slip" event in my life. His work, His love, His sacrifice not only cleanses me daily, it set me free from the bondage to sin, and by sin death. I will not waste that gift. I need Him every day, in every way and without The LORD, I am nothing. I have come a long,long way, I have a long way to go, but with the Comforters help, and God for me, I can do all things, impossible things.
No, just going to point out how basic life is impossible without the law. And with the law sin is revealed. And when sin is revealed, repentance is necessary, and once forgiven, washed clean, a more like Christ walk I walk. And that should be every ones goal. Because I believe that Gods Promises remain to those who remain faithful to Him.
Everyone agrees, 100% that the flesh can not be justified by deeds of the law. (maybe somewhere else they do but not here)
Both sides also agree that Salvation is 100% a GIFT FROM GOD.
Not sure why they must be put in every 3rd post. Seems like you there is so much more to truth and knowledge and wisdom from God to be spreading, but that's just me. Seems weird to keep bringing up something no one believes.
I am just pointing out that a statement like that would never need to be made, if the law had indeed been taken away. I believe the law is as alive as ever, as opposed to dead.
It is to be followed, not worked for salvation. Just by this very statement "BY THE DEEDS OF THE LAW", that pesky law just keeps itself as valid today as it was when first GOD given.
That is the only statement I was making. Thank you for pointing it out once again.
The Perfect Law and the sin it reveals in me, leads me to repent, to change my "inner man". To keep my "flesh" where it belongs, under control. I ask that the sacrifice done by the Lamb of God cover me in every "slip" event in my life. His work, His love, His sacrifice not only cleanses me daily, it set me free from the bondage to sin, and by sin death. I will not waste that gift. I need Him every day, in every way and without The LORD, I am nothing. I have come a long,long way, I have a long way to go, but with the Comforters help, and God for me, I can do all things, impossible things.
No, just going to point out how basic life is impossible without the law. And with the law sin is revealed. And when sin is revealed, repentance is necessary, and once forgiven, washed clean, a more like Christ walk I walk. And that should be every ones goal. Because I believe that Gods Promises remain to those who remain faithful to Him.
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and what is God's will?
to hear the Son.
Jesus said those who had HIs commands and keeps them, it is they who love Him.
now, of course, this was in John's Gospel, where Jesus made a big distinction between Him self and the Father, so He was NOT speaking of the Torah, he was speaking of the Words in Red, HIS words.
I do not know this, I know you will not say, but I suspect you are a Trinity denier.
most of you are, that is why you point to the Old Covenant , not the New.
to hear the Son.
Jesus said those who had HIs commands and keeps them, it is they who love Him.
now, of course, this was in John's Gospel, where Jesus made a big distinction between Him self and the Father, so He was NOT speaking of the Torah, he was speaking of the Words in Red, HIS words.
I do not know this, I know you will not say, but I suspect you are a Trinity denier.
most of you are, that is why you point to the Old Covenant , not the New.
Hebrews 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come in the volume of the book it is written of me, to do thy will, O God.
Psalm 40:7 Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,
Psalm 40:8 I delight to do thy will, O my God yea, thy law is within my heart.
What did the volume of the book contain? Cause that's what He brought. Which was but a shadow of what was to come, not what was to be done away with.
Psalm 40:7 Then said I, Lo, I come: in the volume of the book it is written of me,
Psalm 40:8 I delight to do thy will, O my God yea, thy law is within my heart.
What did the volume of the book contain? Cause that's what He brought. Which was but a shadow of what was to come, not what was to be done away with.