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Nehemiah6

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[QUOTE="pomeranian, post: 3991146, member: 287184"] Studying Scripture without the Holy Spirit of GOD is what causes men of GOD to be separated from others and from GOD. [/quote]
That sounds very spiritual and pious, but it is the Holy Spirit who has taught Christians for over 2,000 years that ALL SCRIPTURE -- GENESIS TO REVELATION -- IS GIVEN BY INSPIRATION OF GOD (2 Tim 3:16). Since you have blatantly denied this, and asserted that only the Ten Commandments are from God, you have opposed the Holy Spirit.
Why can't you see that the attitudes I face on this site are identical to what Jesus faced when talking to the Jewish leaders?
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Don't make yourself out to be the injured party when you are the one sowing seeds of spiritual confusion and false doctrine.
My words do not come from me for without the Spirit of GOD I have no understanding.
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The Holy Spirit NEVER CONTRADICTS HIMSELF. He is the one who gave all the books from Genesis to Revelation, but you have denied that. So you cannot possibly claim that the Holy Spirit has led you to reject Scripture.
You say my source is "the the father of lies" but I proclaim that GOD YHWH is the one and only Almighty Creator, I proclaim that Jesus of Nazareth, the son born of the virgin Mary is the Christ, the son of GOD and the living WORD of GOD. How can you say my belief in this comes from Satan?
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If you are trying to promote Modalism, or deny that Jesus is indeed God manifest in the flesh, then your beliefs come from Satan.

So tell us plainly "Do you believe that Jesus is GOD (YHWH) THE 'I AM'?"
 
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pomeranian said:
May the understanding GOD has given to you be your guide on your path of rightousnous.
2 Corinthians 5:9 So whether we are at home or away, we make it our aim to please him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.
LOVE in Christ.
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no it doesn't work that way pomeranian

you quote Paul but no one was a bigger stickler for ONE TRUTH then he was

I see you have veered off that doctrine and seems like you have been forging your own

this is not acceptable

there is one faith, not I'll go my way and you go yours

interesting thread.

you just never know what people actually believe anymore it seems

the Holy Spirit has ONE truth. it is not what you are presenting

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Seek your heart as to why you worded this question in this manner. For we were discussing the only scriptures that were actually written by the finger of GOD (there is no writings in any scripture that are considered written by Christ himself) and you have tried to trick me into making a claim that Jesus did not accomplish GOD's will. Again Jewish leaders attempting to trick and deceive that they might proclaim their knowledge is infallible Seek the Spirit of GOD in prayer and fasting; As the Scribes and Pharasees have shown very clearly GOD's Spirit cannot be found in the Scriptures.
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I'm not trying to trick you.

He sent the prophets and told them what to say and what to write. That's what Hebrews 1 says. He sent the hand that wrote on the wall - that's what Daniel says.

I agree that the tablets of stone are significant in that God wrote them. I do not agree that this fact makes the rest of scripture suspect or corrupt.

My point is, when God means to speak by some way other than engraving on a stone, God is still able to speak, and it would be wrong to think that anything other than that tablet of stone is untrustworthy. You have not ever seen that stone - you know what it says because Moses told you. So you have to trust Moses anyway. If you quote what Jesus has said you are believing the Apostles faithfully recorded it. We should trust Paul the same way.

God knew what He was doing to write scripture the way it was written. That's what He intended and it wasn't so you or I would doubt what's written, but believe, so our job isn't to be suspicious of whether it is accurate or not but to discover why He did it this way.

Does that make sense?

There's a reason those tablets were smashed, too. God knew they would be.
 
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John 13:20
Most assuredly, I say to you, he who receives whomever I send receives Me; and he who receives Me receives Him who sent Me.
 
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My words do not come from me for without the Spirit of GOD I have no understanding.
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If you limit your understanding to the ten commandment called written by the finger of God . Then where do you get your words of Holy Spirit understanding from? How does he witness to our spirit we are children of God? Our conscience ? or is he greater than that, and knows all things. . . the end of the matter from the beginning?
 
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Scripture is not written by Moses. God worked as the finger of God in Moses to both will and do His good pleasure .Not one thought came from Moses . Scriptures are not a personal commentaries as ones own private interpretation /revelation..



We should protect the integrity of the word according to the warning do not add a new meaning a word singular (Deu. 4:3) It could change the direction of the flow as to the authors intent. .

That could be where you problem stems from . Rather than thinking he is using inaccuracies or mistranslations in scripture to turn our away from any belief in GOD or Christ. The father of lies is not interpreting them in respect to the law of faith but adds and subtracts from them turning things upside down as if earthly inspired of the devil rather than heavenly not seen . Like; "Did God say you will surely die" challenging the integrity of it ? Focus on a proper interpretation . If something seems out of place look to the meaning of the word .He has not left us as orphans in that way .

There could be some errors but they do not remove the spirit of truth and make the grace of God without effect.

I think of that you offered with the word "sabbath" it has taken on many new meaning or the word "apostle" completely destroying the foundation of the word . They can affect the outcome in other usages .
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Do you see how easily human error can occur
 
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I would offer they are the words Christ gave John to write down as law.
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I will stand on the foundation of GOD's Laws and Christ's WORD's. you my friend follow whichever law you feel applies to you. LOVE
 
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The revelation of Jesus Christ was to John, for believers. It seems you have no idea how logically inconsistent it is to assert that Satan influenced the writing of Scripture, while also saying it is God breathed... you know, according to your view, Satan could just as easily have had it written that the Decalogue was written by the finger of God.
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That response does not answer the question I asked.
 
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7seasrekeyed said:
no it doesn't work that way pomeranian

you quote Paul but no one was a bigger stickler for ONE TRUTH then he was

I see you have veered off that doctrine and seems like you have been forging your own

this is not acceptable

there is one faith, not I'll go my way and you go yours

interesting thread.

you just never know what people actually believe anymore it seems

the Holy Spirit has ONE truth. it is not what you are presenting

smh
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Thank-you for your thoughts, love is the answer
 
Magenta

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pomeranian said:
That response does not answer the question I asked.
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Yes it does. The revelation of Christ was to John, not Himself. Denying that does not equate to me not answering.
 
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posthuman said:
I'm not trying to trick you.

He sent the prophets and told them what to say and what to write. That's what Hebrews 1 says. He sent the hand that wrote on the wall - that's what Daniel says.

I agree that the tablets of stone are significant in that God wrote them. I do not agree that this fact makes the rest of scripture suspect or corrupt.

My point is, when God means to speak by some way other than engraving on a stone, God is still able to speak, and it would be wrong to think that anything other than that tablet of stone is untrustworthy. You have not ever seen that stone - you know what it says because Moses told you. So you have to trust Moses anyway. If you quote what Jesus has said you are believing the Apostles faithfully recorded it. We should trust Paul the same way.

God knew what He was doing to write scripture the way it was written. That's what He intended and it wasn't so you or I would doubt what's written, but believe, so our job isn't to be suspicious of whether it is accurate or not but to discover why He did it this way.

Does that make sense?

There's a reason those tablets were smashed, too. God knew they would be.
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Thank-you your response is thoughtful and kind, I do not deny scripture is the documentation of mans experiences with GOD that is what makes it the breath of GOD. My claim is that man is weak and can be influenced by evil forces.
To claim everything written in scripture is exactly as GOD said it to mankind.... invalidates what Jesus stated and taught concerning Moses divorce law..... When I outline complete scriptural contradictions as the Pharasees did to Jesus when they said should we stone this woman who was caught in the act of adultery.... which law do you say I should follow GOD's law do not cause human death or Moses law stone a woman caught in the act of adultery.....
GOD always knows what he's doing, period. Perhaps it was GOD's intent that scripture be as it is for if it was easy to follow the narrow path I suppose everyone would do it.
 
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Yes it does. The revelation of Christ was to John, not Himself. Denying that does not equate to me not answering.
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Revelation 1:1 The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants[a] the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,
My question why did GOD have to reveal something to himself?
 
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Revelation 1:1 The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants[a] the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,
My question why did GOD have to reveal something to himself?
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God did not have to reveal himself to himself it was revealing himself to John simple reading comprehension get you that far in that message
 
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Thank-you for your thoughts, love is the answer
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no actually truth is the answer in this case

what we have in this thread is your thoughts

and sadly they do not line up with scripture and God is not rewriting the scriptures

I will say that you certainly waited before revealing what you actually believe, the while seeming to be here to learn
 
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pomeranian said:
Adstar your words are chosen carefully and you show to have experience in more than one faith, My dream is for men like you, that perhaps some of our children who are being raised in a day and age where Satan flaunts his power over this earth endlessly, may be saved and brought to Christ. Men who have learned from the mistakes made by the Jewish leaders and are open to GOD's will. May the Spirit of GOD's love be with you.
Watch the movie Gandhi for me then please tell me if you think the Holy Spirit of GOD dwelled within a Hindu. Only when we have LOVE for everyone on this earth can we find the only path to Christ and Christ is the only path to GOD's Kingdom. LOVE is the answer to all questions namely what is the great commandment.
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I know about Gandhi.. He rejected the Way of salvation through the LORD Jesus Christ and his excuse for rejecting the way of salvation is because he did not like Christians.. Because he saw the Christians as European imperialists..

But in the end each individual has to make their personal response to God no matter how bad or terrible other people are who claim to believe Jesus are.. I have seen more then a few people come online and say they rejected Christianity because pastor this or reverend that or Christians in their local church did bad things and treated them bad, that is absolutely NO excuse what so ever for rejecting Jesus.. The local church is not Jesus and Christians are not perfect as Jesus.. Jesus is Jesus and He is LORD..

I have seen a few people make the mistake of pointing to Gandhi and confusing his hindu religious theology with Christianity.. There are lots of religious teachings out there Like the Mormons and Masonic lodgers who preach Good works self justification and many of them do self sacrafice and focus doing charity and the life to EARN their way to nivarna / heaven / paradise what ever their religion says is the perfect state..

The Holy Spirit only dwells within those who believe Jesus and have accepted the gift of His Atonement..
 
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I know about Gandhi.. He rejected the Way of salvation through the LORD Jesus Christ and his excuse for rejecting the way of salvation is because he did not like Christians.. Because he saw the Christians as European imperialists..

But in the end each individual has to make their personal response to God no matter how bad or terrible other people are who claim to believe Jesus are.. I have seen more then a few people come online and say they rejected Christianity because pastor this or reverend that or Christians in their local church did bad things and treated them bad, that is absolutely NO excuse what so ever for rejecting Jesus.. The local church is not Jesus and Christians are not perfect as Jesus.. Jesus is Jesus and He is LORD..

I have seen a few people make the mistake of pointing to Gandhi and confusing his hindu religious theology with Christianity.. There are lots of religious teachings out there Like the Mormons and Masonic lodgers who preach Good works self justification and many of them do self sacrafice and focus doing charity and the life to EARN their way to nivarna / heaven / paradise what ever their religion says is the perfect state..

The Holy Spirit only dwells within those who believe Jesus and have accepted the gift of His Atonement..
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Does your proclamation go against scripture?
Acts 9:13 But Ananias answered, “Lord, I have heard from many about this man, how much evil he has done to your saints at Jerusalem. 14 And here he has authority from the chief priests to bind all who call on your name.” 15 But the Lord said to him, “Go, for he is a chosen instrument of mine to carry my name before the Gentiles and kings and the children of Israel. 16 For I will show him how much he must suffer for the sake of my name.” 17 So Ananias departed and entered the house. And laying his hands on him he said, “Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus who appeared to you on the road by which you came has sent me so that you may regain your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit.” 18 And immediately something like scales fell from his eyes, and he regained his sight. Then he rose and was baptized; 19 and taking food, he was strengthened. When Saul/Paul recieved the Holy Spirit he did not believe Jesus was the Christ, After he recieved the Holy Spirit it showed him the truth and he knew.

Gandhi claimed to be Hindu, Jew and Muslim, he stated he loved Christ but that Christians didn't act very much like Christ. He said love the sinner hate the sin, he lived an ascetic lifestyle and was an advocate for his fellow man, He never promoted violence of any kind and to the best of my knowledge is the only human being to succeed at creating a truce between 2 warring religions through prayer and fasting... This person sounds like he follows the beliefs of my GOD. I'm sorry if I offended you by asking you watch the movie about his life I had no idea who Gandhi was until I watched it, I thought you might find it interesting. He was assassinated by a person of the Hindu religion who said he killed him because he wasn't Hindu enough. Very sad

How many Christians today claim that anyone who doesn't believe exactly as they do, are dead to GOD already. LOVE is the answer.
 
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Does your proclamation go against scripture?
Acts 9:13 But Ananias answered, “Lord, I have heard from many about this man, how much evil he has done to your saints at Jerusalem. 14 And here he has authority from the chief priests to bind all who call on your name.” 15 But the Lord said to him, “Go, for he is a chosen instrument of mine to carry my name before the Gentiles and kings and the children of Israel. 16 For I will show him how much he must suffer for the sake of my name.” 17 So Ananias departed and entered the house. And laying his hands on him he said, “Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus who appeared to you on the road by which you came has sent me so that you may regain your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit.” 18 And immediately something like scales fell from his eyes, and he regained his sight. Then he rose and was baptized; 19 and taking food, he was strengthened. When Saul/Paul recieved the Holy Spirit he did not believe Jesus was the Christ, After he recieved the Holy Spirit it showed him the truth and he knew.

Gandhi claimed to be Hindu, Jew and Muslim, he stated he loved Christ but that Christians didn't act very much like Christ. He said love the sinner hate the sin, he lived an ascetic lifestyle and was an advocate for his fellow man, He never promoted violence of any kind and to the best of my knowledge is the only human being to succeed at creating a truce between 2 warring religions through prayer and fasting... This person sounds like he follows the beliefs of my GOD. I'm sorry if I offended you by asking you watch the movie about his life I had no idea who Gandhi was until I watched it, I thought you might find it interesting. He was assassinated by a person of the Hindu religion who said he killed him because he wasn't Hindu enough. Very sad

How many Christians today claim that anyone who doesn't believe exactly as they do, are dead to GOD already. LOVE is the answer.
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Your scripture was about Paul who became a Christian and was baptized with the Holy Spirit.. He was a Christian.. He never claimed to be a Hindu or any other religion along side His faith in Jesus..

It is impossible to be a muslim , Jew and a hindu at the same time..

A muslim believes that Mohammad is the last prophet and the seal of the prophets and the Jews do not believe Muhammad is a prophet so how can Gandhi be both a Jew and a muslim?? It is impossible. Gandhi said that as a political statement because he wanted India to be united. But no hindu or muslim in India believed that statement, in fact it was an inslut to their intelligence and Gandhi ended up being assassinated.

Hinduism which is a pantheistic religion.. islam teaches that believing in more then one God is shirk ( a sin that will see one cast into hell) and people who do so are the worst of creatures ( lower then pigs) There is absolutely No way you can be a true hindu and a true muslim at the same time..

As a Christian i believe anyone who disbelieves in the Word of Jesus and rejects the Atonement Jesus has offered them and continues steadfast in that rejection will be cast into the eternal lake of fire on the day of judgement..

Jesus is the Way the truth and the light,, No one will be reconciled with the LORD unless they believe and trust in Jesus and that includes Gandhi..
 
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pomeranian said:
Does your proclamation go against scripture?
Acts 9:13 But Ananias answered, “Lord, I have heard from many about this man, how much evil he has done to your saints at Jerusalem. 14 And here he has authority from the chief priests to bind all who call on your name.” 15 But the Lord said to him, “Go, for he is a chosen instrument of mine to carry my name before the Gentiles and kings and the children of Israel. 16 For I will show him how much he must suffer for the sake of my name.” 17 So Ananias departed and entered the house. And laying his hands on him he said, “Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus who appeared to you on the road by which you came has sent me so that you may regain your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit.” 18 And immediately something like scales fell from his eyes, and he regained his sight. Then he rose and was baptized; 19 and taking food, he was strengthened. When Saul/Paul recieved the Holy Spirit he did not believe Jesus was the Christ, After he recieved the Holy Spirit it showed him the truth and he knew.

Gandhi claimed to be Hindu, Jew and Muslim, he stated he loved Christ but that Christians didn't act very much like Christ. He said love the sinner hate the sin, he lived an ascetic lifestyle and was an advocate for his fellow man, He never promoted violence of any kind and to the best of my knowledge is the only human being to succeed at creating a truce between 2 warring religions through prayer and fasting... This person sounds like he follows the beliefs of my GOD. I'm sorry if I offended you by asking you watch the movie about his life I had no idea who Gandhi was until I watched it, I thought you might find it interesting. He was assassinated by a person of the Hindu religion who said he killed him because he wasn't Hindu enough. Very sad

How many Christians today claim that anyone who doesn't believe exactly as they do, are dead to GOD already. LOVE is the answer.
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You use the word Love as the solution to all problems. You are correct, but in Scripture there are at least 4 words that are translated as love. Please don’t misunderstand me, human love is good, but it falls short of God’s standard. Without Christ and his Holy Spirit any love we can muster usually falls short. The ability to love ones enemy is a supernatural (divine) type of love and that is the type bestowed upon us as we accept the person, work and deity of The Christ.

I think most Christians understand that God judges our hearts, and motives, our thoughts and deeds. Every thought, deed and action is done for the glory of God or mankind, self . Sometimes we can even think our actions are acceptable, when we really have an inner selfish basis for our actions. Jesus rejected a group that thought they were on the right path, even using His name.

Are you aware that about 99% of the NT can be assembled from quotes in early letters between Christians, before the Council of Nicea?

Until you stop picking and choosing what to believe about God, you will continue to supplement God’s Word with your feelings and opinions. I pray God will open your eyes as He did Paul’s.
 
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pomeranian said:
I will stand on the foundation of GOD's Laws and Christ's WORD's. you my friend follow whichever law you feel applies to you. LOVE
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Where did you get that idea? Which whatever law. . . the perfect law .(two as one) The two witnesses? The one that kills according to the letter. . . or the law of faith not seen... the complete law that creates anew?
 
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