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It's a very old tactic.. If you want to undermine a persons faith and lead them into deception you first have to destroy what they are standing on in their minds.. Attacking the credibility of the scriptures is often the first step in establishing a cult..
 

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Hello Pomeranian, there is much to discuss in your OP, but I'd like to start here.

There have been many over the millennia who have believed what you do about dreams, signs, visions, prophesies, words of knowledge, etc., that they received them directly from God. In some cases they were correct, but in others, they were horribly wrong (David Koresh and Jim Jones come quickly to mind as contemporary examples of the latter).

So, how do we discern what does and/or does not from God? The first and principle way is through the Bible, because it's the available resource that we have from Him that's made up of His "breathed" words exclusively .. 2 Timothy 3:16-17.

God is immutable, from everlasting to everlasting, and His word to us never changes. You mentioned that the Father told you that "young Christians" will be "lost to Christ", but Jesus tells us that no Christian will ~ever~ be lost to Him......................

"All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and .. of all that He has given Me, I LOSE NOTHING, but raise it up on the last day" .. John 6:37-40, 44 (excerpt)

.......................so we know that the interpretation of your dream could not have come from God, because God never contradicts Himself.

I'm not big on recommending books and videos to people out here in online Christendom, but I think this one, The God Who Speaks (which is an extremely well done 2018 documentary/movie about God's word), may prove to be useful to you, at least as a good place to start. It's an all-star cast (so to speak) of pastors, theologians, apologists, historians, and linguists, and it can be rented or purchased at Amazon, or watched for free right now if you are an Amazon Prime member.




~Deut

Psalm 1
1 HOW blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked,
Nor stand in the path of sinners,
Nor sit in the seat of scoffers!
2 But his delight is in the law of the LORD,
And in His law he meditates day and night.
3 And he will be like a tree firmly planted by streams of water,
Which yields its fruit in its season,
And its leaf does not wither;
And in whatever he does, he prospers.
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Appreciate greatly the documentary. :D
 
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It's a very old tactic.. If you want to undermine a persons faith and lead them into deception you first have to destroy what they are standing on in their minds.. Attacking the credibility of the scriptures is often the first step in establishing a cult..
It's a very old tactic.. If you want to undermine a persons faith and lead them into deception you first have to destroy what they are standing on in their minds.. Attacking the credibility of the scriptures is often the first step in establishing a cult..
I wish to shine the light and knowledge that the Holy Spirit has given me with others that may assist others in finding their way to him in these troubled times.
When Jesus disagreed with the "credibility" of Moses writings in scripture was he doing it to undermine the Jews faith in GOD or using scripture for correction?
Matthew 19:3 And Pharisees came up to him and tested him by asking, “Is it lawful to divorce one's wife for any cause?” 4 He answered, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, 5 and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’?6 So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.” 7 They said to him, “Why then did Moses command one to give a certificate of divorce and to send her away?”8 He said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so.

Do you consider Jesus Teachings of "Christianity" that opposed Judaism... Jesus creating a cult because That's exactly what the Jewish faith believes today. LOVE is the answer
 
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="pomeranian, post: 3988570, member: 287184"]I am so glad you asked this as the Spirit has been placing this subject on my heart first let's go to scripture. May the Spirit of GOD be with us all.
Deuteronomy 9:9 When I went up the mountain to receive the tablets of stone, the tablets of the covenant that the Lord made with you, I remained on the mountain forty days and forty nights. I neither ate bread nor drank water. 10 And the Lord gave me the two tablets of stone written with the finger of God, and on them were all the words that the Lord had spoken with you on the mountain out of the midst of the fire on the day of the assembly.

Exodus 31:18 And he gave to Moses, when he had finished speaking with him on Mount Sinai, the two tablets of the testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.

The 10 Commandments are the only scripture actually written by GOD himself. They were housed in the ark of the covanent, they were considered the communication ability between The Jewish people and GOD

Exodus 25: 21 And you shall put the mercy seat on the top of the ark, and in the ark you shall put the testimony that I shall give you. 22 There I will meet with you, and from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubim that are on the ark of the testimony, I will speak with you about all that I will give you in commandment for the people of Israel.

1 Kings 8:9 states only the stones.... Hebrews 9:4 may say it also housed (depending on your interpretation) manna and Aaron's rod.
Both of these scriptures talk of the ark being kept in a Holy place behind a curtain.

Matthew 27:51 And behold, the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom. And the earth shook, and the rocks were split.
Many believe that this tear in the curtain signifies a dissolvement of the covenant between GOD and the Israelites. Or even tthat the 10 commandments were now no longer relevant.

What I have been shown in my heart is The 10 Commandments are the only scripture you can believe came directly from GOD himself. They are to be written on our hearts and taught to our children

so why did Jesus die then? why did God send His only Son to be the sacrifice on our behalf?


Matthew 5: 17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus followed not only GOD's laws the 10 commandments but also Moses laws as the Jewish faith would count him an imposter if he had not. Jesus ate kosher, was circumcised, celebrated passover etc. The Jewish leaders accused Christ of breaking 2 laws working on the Sabbath, and not washing his hands. When Jesus stated the greatest of the 10 Commandments they were a simply state ment of 2 that included all 10.
Matthew 22: 35 And one of them, a lawyer, asked him a question to test him. 36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” 37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”

they did not in any way change what GOD wrote don't offend GOD in any way and treat your fellow man in a manner that you would like to be treated. LOVE

What I have been shown concerning the tear in the curtain is that upon the death of Christ, GOD gave all power and authority over to him concerning human salvation and that GOD would no longer talk to mankind except through his Son Jesus the Christ. LOVE

the tear in the curtain represents our acceptance now to God. it was torn from top to bottom.

I am not going to go over things point by point here, but I have a different understanding of the events than you do

thanks
 
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You say all scripture is GOD breathed 2 Timothy 3:16-17 and this is how you know my dream is not from GOD. You also say GOD never contradicts himself. Please explain this to me then please
Exodus 20:13 “You shall not murder.[c] Exodus 20:13 The Hebrew word also covers causing human death through carelessness or negligence
Exodus 21:
15 “Whoever strikes his father or his mother shall be put to death.
16 “Whoever steals a man and sells him, and anyone found in possession of him, shall be put to death.
17 “Whoever curses[c] his father or his mother shall be put to death.

If all scripture is directly from GOD, and GOD never contradicts himself how do you explain this?

Scripture without the Spirit of GOD can be likened to works without GOD. These last few generations of young Christians can in seconds request a list of all scriptural inaccuracies on their devices and believe me because it was written by men there are many. These young Christians want answers and will also no longer accept answers like: GOD changed his mind because that is the old covenant this is the new, or Jesus discontinued that law because it was only meant for “the times” or a personal favorite you don’t understand because GOD has not shown you the truth.

If the entirety of your belief in GOD is dependent on the writings of men It saddens me to inform you, but your foundation is full of holes (created by Satan according to my dream) and your belief in GOD does not exceed that of the Pharasees who were extremely dependant upon their scriptures. The Christian leaders today need to be better than Jewish leaders of old, because our children are being lost to the Evil One while they bicker and debate over religious rules and other men’s words instead of teaching them who GOD is, the Creator, who the enemy is Satan and his demons and who the Savior is Jesus the Christ. LOVE
WOW....................shakes head at the above..............!!
 

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...first let's go to scripture.

What I have been shown in my heart is The 10 Commandments are the only scripture you can believe came directly from GOD himself.
Hello Pomeranian, if you believe that the Decalogue is the only portion of the Bible that's inspired/breathed by God, then why are you citing other portions of it as if they are authoritative as well :unsure: Why would you ever, "go to Scripture", about anything if you believe that 99.9% of the Bible amounts to nothing more than, at best, men's uninspired musings about the Divine?

Finally, why do you believe that Jesus and the Apostles so consistently did so ... cite the Bible as authoritative, that is ... saying "it is written" and making other, similar statements throughout the NT as a means of demonstrating that their teachings could be trusted?

Thanks!

~Deut
 

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Exodus 20:13 “You shall not murder".
Exodus 21
15 “Whoever strikes his father or his mother shall be put to death.
16 “Whoever steals a man and sells him, and anyone found in possession of him, shall be put to death.

17 “Whoever curses[c] his father or his mother shall be put to death.

If all scripture is directly from GOD, and GOD never contradicts himself, how do you explain this?
Hello again Pomeranian, Exodus 20:16's, "You shall not רָצַח"/"murder", prohibits an individual from the unlawful taking another individual's life. However, "You shall not רָצַח", is not a prohibition against a government's lawful choice & duty to מוּת "put to death" .. Exodus 21:15-17 criminals who have broken their laws and done harm to their citizens.

~Deut
 

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Christian leaders today need to be better than Jewish leaders of old, because our children are being lost to the Evil One while they bicker and debate over religious rules and other men’s words instead of teaching them who GOD is, the Creator, who the enemy is Satan and his demons and who the Savior is Jesus the Christ. LOVE
Though we can know a number of things about who God is/what He is like from studying the 10 Commandments, how can we know any of the rest of the things that you mentioned above (that God is the Creator, for instance, that we have an enemy named Satan and that he has an army of demons who stand against both God and us, that we have a Savior named Jesus, that God is love and that He has chosen to love us, etc.) by way of the Decalogue alone :unsure:

Thanks!

~Deut
 
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You are trying to interpret dreams when you do not even have a proper understanding of Scripture -- the Word of God!

FALSE. Scripture is the words of God the Holy Spirit recorded by men. Every word in the original Hebrew and Greek manuscripts was a word of God.

FALSE. The canon of Scripture was also established by God through men, and it is not merely the experiences of men.

FALSE. While God did indeed write the Ten Commandments on tablets of stone, every word in the Torah (Genesis to Deuteronomy) is a word of God written by Moses.

FALSE. The recorded words of Jesus are indeed a part of Scripture, but everything else from Genesis to Revelation is also Scripture.

FALSE. Both Moses and Paul and all the writers of the books of the Bible wrote EXACTLY what God wanted written. Nothing more and nothing less.

FALSE. While the Ten Commandments and the teachings of Christ are extremely important, there are many other things recorded in Scripture as directed by God.

So here is another example of someone trying to invent their own theology, instead of properly understanding the divine inspiration and authority of the Bible. And yes, Satan is behind every attempt to confuse Christians, such as what we see here.
Thank God someone said it.
 

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I wish to shine the light and knowledge that the Holy Spirit has given me with others that may assist others in finding their way to him in these troubled times.
When Jesus disagreed with the "credibility" of Moses writings in scripture was he doing it to undermine the Jews faith in GOD or using scripture for correction?
Matthew 19:3 And Pharisees came up to him and tested him by asking, “Is it lawful to divorce one's wife for any cause?” 4 He answered, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, 5 and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’?6 So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.” 7 They said to him, “Why then did Moses command one to give a certificate of divorce and to send her away?”8 He said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so.

Do you consider Jesus Teachings of "Christianity" that opposed Judaism... Jesus creating a cult because That's exactly what the Jewish faith believes today. LOVE is the answer
You are assuming that Moses created that law without the permission of God.. Or rather you want to believe that Moses created that law in opposition to God.. That way you can then use the Scriptures as a smorgasbord taking the teachings you like and casting away the teaching that you dislike..

Such is the way of those creating their own religion.. Their personal religion..
 
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Love in The Lord Jesus Nehemiah6
Scripture without the Spirit of GOD can be likened to works without GOD. These last few generations of young Christians can in seconds request a list of all scriptural inaccuracies on their devices and believe me because it was written by men there are many. These young Christians want answers and will also no longer accept answers like: GOD changed his mind because that is the old covenant this is the new, or Jesus discontinued that law because it was only meant for “the times” or a personal favorite you don’t understand because GOD has not shown you the truth.

If the entirety of your belief in GOD is dependent on the writings of men your belief in our Creator and his Son do not go beyond that of the Scribes and Pharasees. The Christian leaders today need to be better than Jewish leaders of old, because our children are being lost to the Evil One while they bicker and debate over men’s words and lose sight of GOD and our Savior. Amen
John 1
In the begining was the word, the word was with God and the word was God.
The power behind the scripture is God the Holy spirit.
There is no error in scripture, any inconsistency is error on the part of the reader. I have seen those websites and they mis interpret scripture intentionally to deceive others and reinforce their sinful lusts.
There are so many heresies that have come out of the "emotional experience with God' movement other wise known as revivalism; all those tele charlatans.
This has served to make a mockery of the Gospel.
Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so. Therefore many of them believed, along with a number of prominent Greek women and men.
Acts 17:11‭-‬12 NASB

The scriptures, not their feelings or experiences.

I believe you to be a false prophet.
 
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I wish to shine the light and knowledge that the Holy Spirit has given me with others that may assist others in finding their way to him in these troubled times.
The light of the knowledge of Christ. . . are the scriptures. Are you offering another kind of light to come along side and lead?

Psalm 119:105 Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

When Jesus disagreed with the "credibility" of Moses writings in scripture was he doing it to undermine the Jews faith in GOD or using scripture for correction?

Matthew 19:3 And Pharisees came up to him and tested him by asking, “Is it lawful to divorce one's wife for any cause?” 4 He answered, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, 5 and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’?6 So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.” 7 They said to him, “Why then did Moses command one to give a certificate of divorce and to send her away?”8 He said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so.
The Christ would never disagree with the "credibility" of His own word. . .written by the finger of God. He moved Moses to both will and do His good pleasure (imputed righteousness). Not a Kosher righteousness after the laws of men. .It was not a private interpretation of Moses. And the Rabbi under Judaism had victory over Jesus.

The Spirit of Christ was the source of the inward Jew's faith same source of our faith, as it is written

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

It like the "Spirit of Christ" don't leave earth without it.

It would seem you are following a law of men . Why oppose the credibility of the Son of man, Jesus?

Do you consider Jesus Teachings of "Christianity" that opposed Judaism... Jesus creating a cult because That's exactly what the Jewish faith believes today. LOVE is the answer.
Opposed Judaism in respect to who. . . the Rabbis?

The gospel is the answer.God's Love working through the Spirit of Christ and not in respect to the lifeless clay earthen vessels or bodies of death.

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
 
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I wish to shine the light and knowledge that the Holy Spirit has given me with others that may assist others in finding their way to him in these troubled times.
When Jesus disagreed with the "credibility" of Moses writings in scripture was he doing it to undermine the Jews faith in GOD or using scripture for correction?
Matthew 19:3 And Pharisees came up to him and tested him by asking, “Is it lawful to divorce one's wife for any cause?” 4 He answered, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, 5 and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’?6 So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.” 7 They said to him, “Why then did Moses command one to give a certificate of divorce and to send her away?”8 He said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so.

Do you consider Jesus Teachings of "Christianity" that opposed Judaism... Jesus creating a cult because That's exactly what the Jewish faith believes today. LOVE is the answer
There were several pitfalls for the leaders under the law or ot.
1) they were in a covenant that was being superceeded right under their noses. (The ole forest < > tree deal)
2)they were hamstrung spiritually. Even JTB had to be reassured in his faith crisis when by spiritual revelation he himself intriduced the messiah to the world.
3) the irony of ironies that they used the word to " correct " and kill the living word.

Some of the things said in your posts need clarification.

Now,in your dream,it may have been as you say.
But i think you er in the interpretation.
I believe your dream has a general sense,not to be looked into too deeply.
I believe you overworked it in your interpretation.

For example the wedding feast parable. We see one in the feast without a garment.
It is possible to lose the meaning with endless speculation.
IOW keep it simple.
When i know the message,the specifics become clear.
It is like me bringing in an illustration to a point i make,and some obtuse ones picking it apart in false micromanaging specifics,taking it into the twilight zone.

We do that you know.
 
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For example (not saying i am right) in the operator of the crane deal, "pastor" fits much better than "satan".
 
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"Stand over there where you are safe.
(While i do the "work of God")
He is also "handsome" (oh how we adore our pastor)
He is in your "kitchen" (where you feed)
He tries to kiss you. (Yep he is human and the ladies are an allurement)
And so on.
 

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The 10 Commandments are the only scripture actually written by GOD himself.

He sent the hand that wrote the inscription.
This is the inscription that was written:
MENE, MENE, TEKEL, PARSIN
(Daniel 5:24-25)
 

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It's a very old tactic.. If you want to undermine a persons faith and lead them into deception you first have to destroy what they are standing on in their minds.. Attacking the credibility of the scriptures is often the first step in establishing a cult..
yes,
if you convince yourself the scriptures are corrupt, you can immediately convince yourself '
they should have said' anything you yourself want them to say, and you respect no authority anymore except your own heart.
 

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When Jesus disagreed with the "credibility" of Moses writings in scripture was he doing it to undermine the Jews faith in GOD or using scripture for correction?
Matthew 19:3 And Pharisees came up to him and tested him by asking, “Is it lawful to divorce one's wife for any cause?” 4 He answered, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, 5 and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’?6 So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.” 7 They said to him, “Why then did Moses command one to give a certificate of divorce and to send her away?”8 He said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so.

this isn't questioning the credibility of Moses' writings at all. it is confirming it. Christ does not deny the scripture here but explains it.
it says Moses "allowed" divorce because of evil in peoples hearts. does God not also make allowances for you, when He would be perfectly justified to be much more severe with you? this is mercy.
 

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yes,
if you convince yourself the scriptures are corrupt, you can immediately convince yourself '
they should have said' anything you yourself want them to say, and you respect no authority anymore except your own heart.
And thus they create a god in their own image.. In effect they become their own god..

A faulty imperfect human god destined for a fall..
 

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What I have been shown in my heart is The 10 Commandments are the only scripture you can believe came directly from GOD himself.
So this is all about subjective impression -- which can be delusional. The fact is that you are rejecting the Bible as the Word of God, and that kind of *impression* can only come from one source -- the Father of Lies.

The Lord Jesus Christ quoted from numerous books of the Bible. Since He is God manifest in the flesh, He would know without the shadow of a doubt what was true and what was false. And He gave His divine and authoritative stamp of approval on the whole Hebrew Tanakh -- the Law of Moses (5 books), the Prophets (8 books), and the Psalms or Writings (11 books). Read and study Luke 24 AND BELIEVE IT.