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I wish to shine the light and knowledge that the Holy Spirit has given me with others that may assist others in finding their way to him in these troubled times.
When Jesus disagreed with the "credibility" of Moses writings in scripture was he doing it to undermine the Jews faith in GOD or using scripture for correction?
Matthew 19:3 And Pharisees came up to him and tested him by asking, “Is it lawful to divorce one's wife for any cause?” 4 He answered, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, 5 and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’?6 So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.” 7 They said to him, “Why then did Moses command one to give a certificate of divorce and to send her away?”8 He said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so.
Do you consider Jesus Teachings of "Christianity" that opposed Judaism... Jesus creating a cult because That's exactly what the Jewish faith believes today. LOVE is the answer
When Jesus disagreed with the "credibility" of Moses writings in scripture was he doing it to undermine the Jews faith in GOD or using scripture for correction?
Matthew 19:3 And Pharisees came up to him and tested him by asking, “Is it lawful to divorce one's wife for any cause?” 4 He answered, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female, 5 and said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’?6 So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.” 7 They said to him, “Why then did Moses command one to give a certificate of divorce and to send her away?”8 He said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart Moses allowed you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so.
Do you consider Jesus Teachings of "Christianity" that opposed Judaism... Jesus creating a cult because That's exactly what the Jewish faith believes today. LOVE is the answer
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="pomeranian, post: 3988570, member: 287184"]I am so glad you asked this as the Spirit has been placing this subject on my heart first let's go to scripture. May the Spirit of GOD be with us all.
Deuteronomy 9:9 When I went up the mountain to receive the tablets of stone, the tablets of the covenant that the Lord made with you, I remained on the mountain forty days and forty nights. I neither ate bread nor drank water. 10 And the Lord gave me the two tablets of stone written with the finger of God, and on them were all the words that the Lord had spoken with you on the mountain out of the midst of the fire on the day of the assembly.
Exodus 31:18 And he gave to Moses, when he had finished speaking with him on Mount Sinai, the two tablets of the testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.
The 10 Commandments are the only scripture actually written by GOD himself. They were housed in the ark of the covanent, they were considered the communication ability between The Jewish people and GOD
Exodus 25: 21 And you shall put the mercy seat on the top of the ark, and in the ark you shall put the testimony that I shall give you. 22 There I will meet with you, and from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubim that are on the ark of the testimony, I will speak with you about all that I will give you in commandment for the people of Israel.
1 Kings 8:9 states only the stones.... Hebrews 9:4 may say it also housed (depending on your interpretation) manna and Aaron's rod.
Both of these scriptures talk of the ark being kept in a Holy place behind a curtain.
Matthew 27:51 And behold, the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom. And the earth shook, and the rocks were split.
Many believe that this tear in the curtain signifies a dissolvement of the covenant between GOD and the Israelites. Or even tthat the 10 commandments were now no longer relevant.
What I have been shown in my heart is The 10 Commandments are the only scripture you can believe came directly from GOD himself. They are to be written on our hearts and taught to our children
so why did Jesus die then? why did God send His only Son to be the sacrifice on our behalf?
Matthew 5: 17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
Jesus followed not only GOD's laws the 10 commandments but also Moses laws as the Jewish faith would count him an imposter if he had not. Jesus ate kosher, was circumcised, celebrated passover etc. The Jewish leaders accused Christ of breaking 2 laws working on the Sabbath, and not washing his hands. When Jesus stated the greatest of the 10 Commandments they were a simply state ment of 2 that included all 10.
Matthew 22: 35 And one of them, a lawyer, asked him a question to test him. 36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” 37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”
they did not in any way change what GOD wrote don't offend GOD in any way and treat your fellow man in a manner that you would like to be treated. LOVE
What I have been shown concerning the tear in the curtain is that upon the death of Christ, GOD gave all power and authority over to him concerning human salvation and that GOD would no longer talk to mankind except through his Son Jesus the Christ. LOVE
the tear in the curtain represents our acceptance now to God. it was torn from top to bottom.
I am not going to go over things point by point here, but I have a different understanding of the events than you do
thanks
Deuteronomy 9:9 When I went up the mountain to receive the tablets of stone, the tablets of the covenant that the Lord made with you, I remained on the mountain forty days and forty nights. I neither ate bread nor drank water. 10 And the Lord gave me the two tablets of stone written with the finger of God, and on them were all the words that the Lord had spoken with you on the mountain out of the midst of the fire on the day of the assembly.
Exodus 31:18 And he gave to Moses, when he had finished speaking with him on Mount Sinai, the two tablets of the testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.
The 10 Commandments are the only scripture actually written by GOD himself. They were housed in the ark of the covanent, they were considered the communication ability between The Jewish people and GOD
Exodus 25: 21 And you shall put the mercy seat on the top of the ark, and in the ark you shall put the testimony that I shall give you. 22 There I will meet with you, and from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubim that are on the ark of the testimony, I will speak with you about all that I will give you in commandment for the people of Israel.
1 Kings 8:9 states only the stones.... Hebrews 9:4 may say it also housed (depending on your interpretation) manna and Aaron's rod.
Both of these scriptures talk of the ark being kept in a Holy place behind a curtain.
Matthew 27:51 And behold, the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom. And the earth shook, and the rocks were split.
Many believe that this tear in the curtain signifies a dissolvement of the covenant between GOD and the Israelites. Or even tthat the 10 commandments were now no longer relevant.
What I have been shown in my heart is The 10 Commandments are the only scripture you can believe came directly from GOD himself. They are to be written on our hearts and taught to our children
so why did Jesus die then? why did God send His only Son to be the sacrifice on our behalf?
Matthew 5: 17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
Jesus followed not only GOD's laws the 10 commandments but also Moses laws as the Jewish faith would count him an imposter if he had not. Jesus ate kosher, was circumcised, celebrated passover etc. The Jewish leaders accused Christ of breaking 2 laws working on the Sabbath, and not washing his hands. When Jesus stated the greatest of the 10 Commandments they were a simply state ment of 2 that included all 10.
Matthew 22: 35 And one of them, a lawyer, asked him a question to test him. 36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” 37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”
they did not in any way change what GOD wrote don't offend GOD in any way and treat your fellow man in a manner that you would like to be treated. LOVE
What I have been shown concerning the tear in the curtain is that upon the death of Christ, GOD gave all power and authority over to him concerning human salvation and that GOD would no longer talk to mankind except through his Son Jesus the Christ. LOVE
the tear in the curtain represents our acceptance now to God. it was torn from top to bottom.
I am not going to go over things point by point here, but I have a different understanding of the events than you do
thanks
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Hello Pomeranian, if you believe that the Decalogue is the only portion of the Bible that's inspired/breathed by God, then why are you citing other portions of it as if they are authoritative as well 
Why would you ever, "go to Scripture", about anything if you believe that 99.9% of the Bible amounts to nothing more than, at best, men's uninspired musings about the Divine?
Finally, why do you believe that Jesus and the Apostles so consistently did so ... cite the Bible as authoritative, that is ... saying "it is written" and making other, similar statements throughout the NT as a means of demonstrating that their teachings could be trusted?
Thanks!
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Why would you ever, "go to Scripture", about anything if you believe that 99.9% of the Bible amounts to nothing more than, at best, men's uninspired musings about the Divine?Finally, why do you believe that Jesus and the Apostles so consistently did so ... cite the Bible as authoritative, that is ... saying "it is written" and making other, similar statements throughout the NT as a means of demonstrating that their teachings could be trusted?
Thanks!
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Hello again Pomeranian, Exodus 20:16's, "You shall not רָצַח"/"murder", prohibits an individual from the unlawful taking another individual's life. However, "You shall not רָצַח", is not a prohibition against a government's lawful choice & duty to מוּת "put to death" .. Exodus 21:15-17 criminals who have broken their laws and done harm to their citizens.
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Though we can know a number of things about who God is/what He is like from studying the 10 Commandments, how can we know any of the rest of the things that you mentioned above (that God is the Creator, for instance, that we have an enemy named Satan and that he has an army of demons who stand against both God and us, that we have a Savior named Jesus, that God is love and that He has chosen to love us, etc.) by way of the Decalogue alone
Thanks!
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Thanks!
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You are assuming that Moses created that law without the permission of God.. Or rather you want to believe that Moses created that law in opposition to God.. That way you can then use the Scriptures as a smorgasbord taking the teachings you like and casting away the teaching that you dislike..
Such is the way of those creating their own religion.. Their personal religion..
Such is the way of those creating their own religion.. Their personal religion..
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In the begining was the word, the word was with God and the word was God.
The power behind the scripture is God the Holy spirit.
There is no error in scripture, any inconsistency is error on the part of the reader. I have seen those websites and they mis interpret scripture intentionally to deceive others and reinforce their sinful lusts.
There are so many heresies that have come out of the "emotional experience with God' movement other wise known as revivalism; all those tele charlatans.
This has served to make a mockery of the Gospel.
Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so. Therefore many of them believed, along with a number of prominent Greek women and men.
Acts 17:11-12 NASB
The scriptures, not their feelings or experiences.
I believe you to be a false prophet.
In the begining was the word, the word was with God and the word was God.
The power behind the scripture is God the Holy spirit.
There is no error in scripture, any inconsistency is error on the part of the reader. I have seen those websites and they mis interpret scripture intentionally to deceive others and reinforce their sinful lusts.
There are so many heresies that have come out of the "emotional experience with God' movement other wise known as revivalism; all those tele charlatans.
This has served to make a mockery of the Gospel.
Now these were more noble-minded than those in Thessalonica, for they received the word with great eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see whether these things were so. Therefore many of them believed, along with a number of prominent Greek women and men.
Acts 17:11-12 NASB
The scriptures, not their feelings or experiences.
I believe you to be a false prophet.
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The light of the knowledge of Christ. . . are the scriptures. Are you offering another kind of light to come along side and lead?
Psalm 119:105 Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.
The Christ would never disagree with the "credibility" of His own word. . .written by the finger of God. He moved Moses to both will and do His good pleasure (imputed righteousness). Not a Kosher righteousness after the laws of men. .It was not a private interpretation of Moses. And the Rabbi under Judaism had victory over Jesus.
The Spirit of Christ was the source of the inward Jew's faith same source of our faith, as it is written
Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
It like the "Spirit of Christ" don't leave earth without it.
It would seem you are following a law of men . Why oppose the credibility of the Son of man, Jesus?
Opposed Judaism in respect to who. . . the Rabbis?
The gospel is the answer.God's Love working through the Spirit of Christ and not in respect to the lifeless clay earthen vessels or bodies of death.
2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
Psalm 119:105 Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.
The Christ would never disagree with the "credibility" of His own word. . .written by the finger of God. He moved Moses to both will and do His good pleasure (imputed righteousness). Not a Kosher righteousness after the laws of men. .It was not a private interpretation of Moses. And the Rabbi under Judaism had victory over Jesus.
The Spirit of Christ was the source of the inward Jew's faith same source of our faith, as it is written
Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
It like the "Spirit of Christ" don't leave earth without it.
It would seem you are following a law of men . Why oppose the credibility of the Son of man, Jesus?
Opposed Judaism in respect to who. . . the Rabbis?
The gospel is the answer.God's Love working through the Spirit of Christ and not in respect to the lifeless clay earthen vessels or bodies of death.
2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
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There were several pitfalls for the leaders under the law or ot.
1) they were in a covenant that was being superceeded right under their noses. (The ole forest < > tree deal)
2)they were hamstrung spiritually. Even JTB had to be reassured in his faith crisis when by spiritual revelation he himself intriduced the messiah to the world.
3) the irony of ironies that they used the word to " correct " and kill the living word.
Some of the things said in your posts need clarification.
Now,in your dream,it may have been as you say.
But i think you er in the interpretation.
I believe your dream has a general sense,not to be looked into too deeply.
I believe you overworked it in your interpretation.
For example the wedding feast parable. We see one in the feast without a garment.
It is possible to lose the meaning with endless speculation.
IOW keep it simple.
When i know the message,the specifics become clear.
It is like me bringing in an illustration to a point i make,and some obtuse ones picking it apart in false micromanaging specifics,taking it into the twilight zone.
We do that you know.
1) they were in a covenant that was being superceeded right under their noses. (The ole forest < > tree deal)
2)they were hamstrung spiritually. Even JTB had to be reassured in his faith crisis when by spiritual revelation he himself intriduced the messiah to the world.
3) the irony of ironies that they used the word to " correct " and kill the living word.
Some of the things said in your posts need clarification.
Now,in your dream,it may have been as you say.
But i think you er in the interpretation.
I believe your dream has a general sense,not to be looked into too deeply.
I believe you overworked it in your interpretation.
For example the wedding feast parable. We see one in the feast without a garment.
It is possible to lose the meaning with endless speculation.
IOW keep it simple.
When i know the message,the specifics become clear.
It is like me bringing in an illustration to a point i make,and some obtuse ones picking it apart in false micromanaging specifics,taking it into the twilight zone.
We do that you know.
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this isn't questioning the credibility of Moses' writings at all. it is confirming it. Christ does not deny the scripture here but explains it.
it says Moses "allowed" divorce because of evil in peoples hearts. does God not also make allowances for you, when He would be perfectly justified to be much more severe with you? this is mercy.
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So this is all about subjective impression -- which can be delusional. The fact is that you are rejecting the Bible as the Word of God, and that kind of *impression* can only come from one source -- the Father of Lies.
The Lord Jesus Christ quoted from numerous books of the Bible. Since He is God manifest in the flesh, He would know without the shadow of a doubt what was true and what was false. And He gave His divine and authoritative stamp of approval on the whole Hebrew Tanakh -- the Law of Moses (5 books), the Prophets (8 books), and the Psalms or Writings (11 books). Read and study Luke 24 AND BELIEVE IT.
The Lord Jesus Christ quoted from numerous books of the Bible. Since He is God manifest in the flesh, He would know without the shadow of a doubt what was true and what was false. And He gave His divine and authoritative stamp of approval on the whole Hebrew Tanakh -- the Law of Moses (5 books), the Prophets (8 books), and the Psalms or Writings (11 books). Read and study Luke 24 AND BELIEVE IT.
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