Not By Works

I understand and agree with your sentiment here - I think you care deeply that we do not think that our works will get us saved, keep us saved, or get us "brownie points" with God! Amen! I agree!

Hi brother! Chester was saying works have no bearing on salvation but they matter because they glorify God. I have to agree with him but I am open to correction if indeed I am seeing things incorrectly.

After all the interaction with EG you think this legalist believes anything he is writing.
How hard is a heart, before it becomes beyond responding to Gods love and word?

If one holds an eternal transaction has taken place, yet regards those who do not agree as
spiritual lost and bankcrupt, you will begin to understand the lunacy of such interactions.

I try to not call people who I do not know personally a legalist or accuse them of lunacy in interactions. (Though I did say today I thought one person was paranoid! - and that got me in hot water!) I don't agree with EG on lots of things, but I respect him as a fellow believer. (But I can't wait till I get to hear Paul and John explain things to him in heaven! LOL!)

the part I made big is why I responded in a way to say God gets the glory for salvation...

not our works


I am far from paranoid


strongly built on solid ground

and i do resent that statement as well bro


and i encourage good works every single day of my life


just not for the cause of salvation

even hated for it by people dont know God or love His ways

I like a lot of what you say above - but this statement makes no sense to me: "the not by works thread is a thread meant to give glory to Jesus" - but you seem to be saying that our salvation is by grace through faith and keep the works out!

But do not works done by the power of might of Jesus bring glory to him? Isn't his works in our lives one of the greatest way the world sees His glory?

Note what I underlined: I said very clearly that this is what it seems to me that you are saying - in other words - that is my perception of what you were saying.

I am glad you clarified it for me.

I define salvation as being born into the family of God, As having everything against me, contrary to me and having those things nailed to the cross. I view salvation as having the curse of the law remeoved from me, where it cna no longer touch me, I view salvation as being sealed by the spirit, given eternal life, In all, I view salvation as having the penalty of sin (death) removed)

If you do not have ETErNAL life, and your salvation is not secure your really not saved.

Your trying to mix justification and sanctification, The topic of this thread is justification. Ie...,
This thread is about recieving salvation, Please stick to the topic. When you are talkign about recieving salvation, and someone screams works, legalism is the culprit.

Ie. We are NOT TALKING SANCTIFICATION. .

There is a HUGE problem when we try to mix justification with sanctification, in a thread where JUSTIFICATION and ONLY justification, is the topic.

What did I say that makes it seem to you I am against works?

Here is the issue:
So this thread is about justification: and in justification it is by faith and not by works - so keep works out of the discussion I am told.
But if we had a thread about sanctification: it is also by faith and not by works - so keep works out of that discussion also . . .?

Leaves me scratching my head? If we can't talk about works in a discussion of justification, then we can't talk about works in a discussion of sanctification either? So where do we talk about them . . . ?

You said, "This thread is about receiving salvation, Please stick to the topic. When you are talking about receiving salvation, and someone screams works, legalism is the culprit".

If you say that, then you must also say - "when you are talking about living salvation (sanctification), and someone screams works, legalism is the culprit."

Well - OK - but I am screaming anyway - WORKS!
I am screaming because I am not ashamed of works and I love that God has and is continuing to make me into His workmanship!

(Having said all that - I again say that I see your sentiment and agree - whether in a discussion of justification or of sanctification - it is easy to make works into a legalistic attaining or keeping of salvation! - and many here are doing it all the time!)

A common thing that the wolves and lost do... is claim those who trust in Christ for salvation are against works...

Now even though I believe your assurance is not full, and you aren't aware of the extent of Gods promises...

You can not have a thread about sanctification without works.

If people try to say so, they are wrong.

So please.

Ah - I never thought you were against works as such - but I thought you were against talking about works in the context of salvation - see post 104,608 -- I have to go and will not be back (maybe a peep) till Sunday or Monday.

?? Ouch! OK - You are saying what you believe and not accusing me . . . .

Well then you cannot have a thread about justification without works either? . . .

Because both are the same: Justification is not by works: Sanctification is not by works

I try to not call people who I do not know personally a legalist or accuse them of lunacy in interactions. (Though I did say today I thought one person was paranoid! - and that got me in hot water!) I don't agree with EG on lots of things, but I respect him as a fellow believer. (But I can't wait till I get to hear Paul and John explain things to him in heaven! LOL!)

What you just proved is you can’t read. Or if you do read you can not understand.

DC never said anything like this, or that believers will never make a mistake.

What is it with you people and failure to read? Or understand?

No, works for the cause of maintaining or gaining salvation do not give glory to Jesus.

They belittle His gift.


He gets no glory for trying to pay for what He has already purchased and given to me freely in His mercy.



Jesus has a perfect righteousness He put on my account by grace through faith.

The value exceeds not only my cost but the cost of the whole world.

I won't pretend I need more than that, and I have faith that it is enough because that is what He taught.


I will not seek to establish my own righteousness and think by works I can be saved or stay saved.

I will submit to His righteousness and accept His gift with gratitude.


also

Who said don't do good works?

I know I didn't, ever.

But if you think they help save us...😅


You may have missed a verse or 300....

Heres a pretty big one.

Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.


(cough cough, man gets no credit)

My review of the works thread. This is prety much the way it goes.

DC - the Sky is Blue!

Lawyers - No DC, they sky is not green,

DC - I said the sky is Blue!

Lawyers - No DC, the sky is not green!!

DC - Stop your slander and lying and misrepresenting what I say, the sky is blue! I have maintained that since I got here.

Lawyers, - Stop lieing DC, You keep saying the sky is Green, Everyone here can see it, You just hate the truth, and you hate God!!