Question about Jesus being the Son of God

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WalkingTree

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God manifested in flesh as a human.
Not created, not temporal, not a secondary God or demigod, but God manifest in the flesh as a human person.
How? If not through forming (creating) a body within the womb of a woman?
 

Hazelelponi

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This implies a human creation. It sounds like you're doing away with his humanity. As if one out weighed the other. And considering it's said that he emptied himself from his godhood to become human I just don't see your perspective. What do you think it means to take on "the form" of a servant? You appear to be magnifying his unity with the divine at the cost of his humanity.
No.. I'm not..

what I'm not doing is denying His divinity, as you and others appear to be doing.

He is God in the flesh, not just flesh or He would never have been able to live a sinless life and thus have been able to be our Savior.

the Bible says exactly who Jesus is, I suggest reading scripture.
 

WalkingTree

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No.. I'm not..

what I'm not doing is denying His divinity, as you and others appear to be doing.

He is God in the flesh, not just flesh or He would never have been able to live a sinless life and thus have been able to be our Savior.

the Bible says exactly who Jesus is, I suggest reading scripture.
I have. Where have I denied his connection to the Father? Where have I denied that the Spirit of the Father did not dwell within the created body of Jesus? It is you who are not speaking and defining his humanity as Paul does. It is you who are separating the two by placing one over the other through a false dichotomy
All men are created beings. Yes, Jesus Spirit was the Father's. It dwelt within a human. Who you believe is not a created being. Because you're more focused on his divinity.

I continue to see him as both equally
Thank you.

Hebrews 2:17
For this reason he had to be made like them, fully human in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people.

Here is our servant.
 

PennEd

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I could be wrong, but I believe Jesus inhabited creation, in the sense that He stepped down from eternity, not only onto created Earth, but also INTO a created human egg that was in Mary.

In essence merging His divine Being WITH the created human egg. Since sin is imputed from ADAM and not Eve, her egg would have not had the imputed human sin nature. This merger allowed Him to pay for the sin of created humanity.

Please don't bark at me for this! I admit this idea of fully human and fully God is beyond our grasp.
 

Leastamongmany

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Jesus is firstborn of the ressurection.. The first to die and be resurrected from the dead..

That has nothing to do with the fact Jesus is always eternally existent with the Father and uncreated.

In the book of Revelation Jesus says "I am the Alpha and the Omega" (the first and the last) We see in Isaiah, this is also said of God

"Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: 'I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me."

Jesus is not a created being like we are.. He is part of the Godhead..
Welcome and Blessings!💖💖💖
 

Smooth

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Jesus is God's son, praise Jesus. Jesus is God's Word and thereby the Creator and also himself the first created thing of God and yet also part of God being God's very own Word (which then would later be breathed into the Virgin Mary by God's Holy Spirit, the Word made into flesh as God's Son still more truly and for the redemption of Man). Whoever praises Jesus, praises his Father if you believe what Jesus himself say of himself and for which reason the jews and the Hellenic beast empire that ruled the world crucified him. Praise God for Jesus, praise Jesus.
Where in Scripture is it taught that Jesus was created?
 
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Jesus is firstborn of the ressurection.. The first to die and be resurrected from the dead..

That has nothing to do with the fact Jesus is always eternally existent with the Father and uncreated.

In the book of Revelation Jesus says "I am the Alpha and the Omega" (the first and the last) We see in Isaiah, this is also said of God

"Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: 'I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me."

Jesus is not a created being like we are.. He is part of the Godhead..
Well yea that's true too. Jesus is the first of both Creation like that passage plainly says (and as is like pretty obvious in Genesis 1) and also first resurrected (literaly re-created), and yes true Jesus being the word was always indwelling in God even before God spake the creation into existence, just as one man's breath and word are in him (and as we know the son of man is the image of God.)

Jesus is the firstborn of creation and also the Creator, the true Alpha, and Jesus will also destroy this wicked world full of corruption and wickedness as God's Word, and double showing it with the sword of his mouth, the true Omega. Praise Jesus!
 

WalkingTree

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His body was created as a man, his Spirit existed from the beginning. Both were united as one in Jesus. God became one of his creation to redeem mankind.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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How? If not through forming (creating) a body within the womb of a woman?
Our flesh body is not who we are nor what we are.
Doesn't the eternal nature of Christ not tell you that he is more than just a body?
Does the eternal nature of the human not tell you that we are more than a body?
This body of flesh is not who nor what we actually are.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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This is arianism, an old heresy that was dealt with done the council at Nicaea; see the Nicene Creed as posted above in earlier posts. This by the way, was also the stage for one of my favorite Christmas stories. When saint Nicholas AKA Santa Claus punched the heretic Arius in the face... Allegedly.
 

WalkingTree

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Our flesh body is not who we are nor what we are.
Doesn't the eternal nature of Christ not tell you that he is more than just a body?
Does the eternal nature of the human not tell you that we are more than a body?
This body of flesh is not who nor what we actually are.
So you can agree that Christ has a body. How do you understand the difference between being created as opposed to manifested? Your first statement has no basis in reality, and your entire position appears more like gnosticism than anything else.

Again, I am not denying nor downplaying his eternal nature as you call it, so why the apparent necessity to deny his physical form? Or elevate it over his humanity? It would appear to me that Jesus and his followers accepted both as something to be cherished. My Lord reconciles all things as one. He doesn't show favoritism of one over the other.
 

WalkingTree

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I asked for biblical references and you provided none because there are none. Again, thanks for trying.
I have to quote a bible that you're supposed to know where Jesus was born of a woman?

Yet you can't seem to simply agree? Yor bait is tainted, not worth biting on.
 

Smooth

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I have to quote a bible that you're supposed to know where Jesus was born of a woman?

Yet you can't seem to simply agree? Yor bait is tainted, not worth biting on.
You seem very angry, and righteous indignation it is not. I pity you. I asked for Scripture stating that Jesus was created. Here’s a clue; it doesn’t exist. Jesus was born of Mary but He was not created. Go argue elsewhere.
 

WalkingTree

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You seem very angry, and righteous indignation it is not. I pity you. I asked for Scripture stating that Jesus was created. Here’s a clue; it doesn’t exist. Jesus was born of Mary but He was not created. Go argue elsewhere.
Your projection is duly noted. I was already done addressing your futile attempts at discussion.

Do you identify as catholic?

"Jesus was born of Mary but He was not created. "

Where does this crazy teaching come from?

All I've ever tried to question here is how a person, a human, is not created in the womb of a woman. Is this another catholic belief like the bread and wine actually being the body and blood of Christ?