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Jesus, had already existed for eternity, as in the words of John in the Gospel according to John. He was with God And was God and all things created through him.
There are many Christophanies through out the old testament where He was materialized on Earth and interacted with men.
Because he came to us through the woman does not mean he was created at that point. He was before and always was; before and will be forever after.
Maybe instead of treating some one who is trying to get you to go to scripture as trying to "bait" you. Maybe you should read the scriptures. Particularly the Gospel according to John. Read chapter 1 until you understand it.
Mean while stop insulting people who actually have a real belief in Christ according to what the scriptures say about him.
There are many Christophanies through out the old testament where He was materialized on Earth and interacted with men.
Because he came to us through the woman does not mean he was created at that point. He was before and always was; before and will be forever after.
Maybe instead of treating some one who is trying to get you to go to scripture as trying to "bait" you. Maybe you should read the scriptures. Particularly the Gospel according to John. Read chapter 1 until you understand it.
Mean while stop insulting people who actually have a real belief in Christ according to what the scriptures say about him.
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Jesus is God manifest in the flesh, both God and man, so as God He has no beginning, but as a human He has a beginning.
And when Jesus was on earth He could speak either as God, or a man.
But I do not believe there is a trinity, but there is one God who is a Holy Spirit, and Father is a title for God, and the Son is the man Christ Jesus.
Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, are not 3 persons in one God, but the 3 relationships God has with His people designated by titles.
Father- Creator, and parent of the saints.
Son- God's visible relationship to the saints, which the throne in heaven is the throne of God and the Lamb, God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.
Holy Spirit- God's invisible relationship to the saints.
If the Son has no beginning then why is He called the Son if He was not created as God.
Isa 44:8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.
Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him.
Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
The Bible plainly states that there is one God, the Father.
Rom 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
Rom 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead.
Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Gal 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
The Son is the man Christ Jesus, and the Bible does not mention God the Son.
There is only one God, the Father, and the Son is the man Christ Jesus, and when viewed in this truth then all scriptures make sense concerning one God.
The trinity is a man made doctrine like the pagans have a trinity.
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
The Son shall be called the everlasting Father, for there is only one God, the Father, and Jesus is God manifest in the flesh.
Joh 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Jesus told Philip that if he has seen Him then he has seen the Father, and it is the Father that dwells in Him that does the works, for there is only one God, the Father, and Jesus is God manifest in flesh.
1.Right hand of God.
Jesus is at the right hand of God.
God's right hand represents power, wisdom, and salvation.
Jesus said all power is given to Him in heaven and earth.
There is only one throne in heaven, and one who sits on that throne, which is the throne of God and the Lamb, God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.
Jesus is the only person we will see in heaven, and He is the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
The man Christ Jesus is our Savior for only a sinless man can reconcile the world unto God, but no man is sinless so God manifest Himself in flesh, and reconciled the world unto Himself in the person of Jesus Christ, God and man in harmony.
David said, the LORD said unto my Lord, sit at my right hand until I make your enemies your footstool.
For the Son must reign until all His enemies are conquered, and then the Son shall submit to God, the Father, that God may be all in all.
God exalted the man Christ Jesus to be at right hand, exercise the throne of power for He is the mediator, until His enemies are conquered, and then the Son shall submit to the Father, stop being at the right hand, stop exercising the throne of power, that God may be all in all.
Jesus does not sit on a throne next to the Father, but Jesus is the only person we will see in heaven, and if you have seen Jesus you have seen the Father, for there is only one God, the Father.
2.Let us make man in our image.
Old Testament Adam made in the image of God.
New Testament Adam made in the figure of Jesus.
The image of God is the image of Christ.
Rom 4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
God calls things that have not happened yet, as though they already happened, which the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world, and the prophets blood shed from the foundation of the world, and all the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Jesus is the beginning of creation, and the firstborn among all creatures, although He was not born until 4000 years later, for God calls things that have not happened yet as though they already happened.
God already had the plan to come in the future in flesh before He started creation, and created Adam in the image that He would appear in the future, and that is an innocent nature in flesh.
So the let us make man in our image has to include the man Christ Jesus for He is part of that image, for Jesus is God manifest in the flesh, God and man.
Let us make man in our image is a prophetic statement to the coming Son of God, God manifest in flesh.
Let us God, the Father, and the Son, the man Christ Jesus, make man in our image, which the man Christ Jesus can exist in the beginning before He is born, for God calls things that have not happened yet, as though they already happened.
3.The Word of God.
The Word of God is a plan of God in the beginning to come in the future in flesh, for the Word became flesh, and dwelt among the Jews.
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
In the beginning was the plan of God to come in the future in flesh, and that plan was with God before He laid down the foundation of the world, and that plan was God manifest in flesh.
All things were created with the plan of God to come in the future in flesh, and without that plan God would of not created anything He created, for Jesus is the reason creation is successful.
The word of God is God revealing Himself by words written in a book, and the Word of God is God revealing Himself by a visible image, the Lord Jesus Christ.
There is no trinity, and when people look at it as one God, the Father, and the Son is the man Christ Jesus, then there is no problem with understanding the scriptures, and they do not have to say it is a mystery.
There is one God who is a Holy Spirit, and Father is a title for God, and the Son is the man Christ Jesus.
Which the Spirit moved in creation, and Jesus was conceived by the Spirit, and the Spirit dwells in the saints.
1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him.
Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
The Bible plainly states that there is one God, the Father, and the Son shall be called the everlasting Father, and if you have seen Jesus you have seen the Father.
This causes the Bible to make sense when claiming one God, for there really is one God, and not 3 persons in one God.
They say there is 3 persons in one God, but then say God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
So is it 3 persons in one God, or 3 Gods.
If there is 3 persons in one God then it would take all 3 persons to make one God, so why do they say God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
For they cannot escape that the Bible says one God, but then they believe in a trinity, but when the Bible says one God, it means one God.
No one can prove a trinity, but one God with no distinction of persons can be proven time and time again.
When the Protestant movement protested it appears as if they did not protest enough, but held unto that trinity doctrine that is a pagan belief, the same as they say Mary is the Queen of heaven, for the pagans have a female deity as part of their beliefs.
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And when Jesus was on earth He could speak either as God, or a man.
But I do not believe there is a trinity, but there is one God who is a Holy Spirit, and Father is a title for God, and the Son is the man Christ Jesus.
Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, are not 3 persons in one God, but the 3 relationships God has with His people designated by titles.
Father- Creator, and parent of the saints.
Son- God's visible relationship to the saints, which the throne in heaven is the throne of God and the Lamb, God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.
Holy Spirit- God's invisible relationship to the saints.
If the Son has no beginning then why is He called the Son if He was not created as God.
Isa 44:8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.
Isa 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Isa 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him.
Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
The Bible plainly states that there is one God, the Father.
Rom 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
Rom 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead.
Gal 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Gal 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
The Son is the man Christ Jesus, and the Bible does not mention God the Son.
There is only one God, the Father, and the Son is the man Christ Jesus, and when viewed in this truth then all scriptures make sense concerning one God.
The trinity is a man made doctrine like the pagans have a trinity.
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
The Son shall be called the everlasting Father, for there is only one God, the Father, and Jesus is God manifest in the flesh.
Joh 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Joh 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
Jesus told Philip that if he has seen Him then he has seen the Father, and it is the Father that dwells in Him that does the works, for there is only one God, the Father, and Jesus is God manifest in flesh.
1.Right hand of God.
Jesus is at the right hand of God.
God's right hand represents power, wisdom, and salvation.
Jesus said all power is given to Him in heaven and earth.
There is only one throne in heaven, and one who sits on that throne, which is the throne of God and the Lamb, God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.
Jesus is the only person we will see in heaven, and He is the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
The man Christ Jesus is our Savior for only a sinless man can reconcile the world unto God, but no man is sinless so God manifest Himself in flesh, and reconciled the world unto Himself in the person of Jesus Christ, God and man in harmony.
David said, the LORD said unto my Lord, sit at my right hand until I make your enemies your footstool.
For the Son must reign until all His enemies are conquered, and then the Son shall submit to God, the Father, that God may be all in all.
God exalted the man Christ Jesus to be at right hand, exercise the throne of power for He is the mediator, until His enemies are conquered, and then the Son shall submit to the Father, stop being at the right hand, stop exercising the throne of power, that God may be all in all.
Jesus does not sit on a throne next to the Father, but Jesus is the only person we will see in heaven, and if you have seen Jesus you have seen the Father, for there is only one God, the Father.
2.Let us make man in our image.
Old Testament Adam made in the image of God.
New Testament Adam made in the figure of Jesus.
The image of God is the image of Christ.
Rom 4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
God calls things that have not happened yet, as though they already happened, which the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world, and the prophets blood shed from the foundation of the world, and all the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
Jesus is the beginning of creation, and the firstborn among all creatures, although He was not born until 4000 years later, for God calls things that have not happened yet as though they already happened.
God already had the plan to come in the future in flesh before He started creation, and created Adam in the image that He would appear in the future, and that is an innocent nature in flesh.
So the let us make man in our image has to include the man Christ Jesus for He is part of that image, for Jesus is God manifest in the flesh, God and man.
Let us make man in our image is a prophetic statement to the coming Son of God, God manifest in flesh.
Let us God, the Father, and the Son, the man Christ Jesus, make man in our image, which the man Christ Jesus can exist in the beginning before He is born, for God calls things that have not happened yet, as though they already happened.
3.The Word of God.
The Word of God is a plan of God in the beginning to come in the future in flesh, for the Word became flesh, and dwelt among the Jews.
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
In the beginning was the plan of God to come in the future in flesh, and that plan was with God before He laid down the foundation of the world, and that plan was God manifest in flesh.
All things were created with the plan of God to come in the future in flesh, and without that plan God would of not created anything He created, for Jesus is the reason creation is successful.
The word of God is God revealing Himself by words written in a book, and the Word of God is God revealing Himself by a visible image, the Lord Jesus Christ.
There is no trinity, and when people look at it as one God, the Father, and the Son is the man Christ Jesus, then there is no problem with understanding the scriptures, and they do not have to say it is a mystery.
There is one God who is a Holy Spirit, and Father is a title for God, and the Son is the man Christ Jesus.
Which the Spirit moved in creation, and Jesus was conceived by the Spirit, and the Spirit dwells in the saints.
1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him.
Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
The Bible plainly states that there is one God, the Father, and the Son shall be called the everlasting Father, and if you have seen Jesus you have seen the Father.
This causes the Bible to make sense when claiming one God, for there really is one God, and not 3 persons in one God.
They say there is 3 persons in one God, but then say God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
So is it 3 persons in one God, or 3 Gods.
If there is 3 persons in one God then it would take all 3 persons to make one God, so why do they say God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
For they cannot escape that the Bible says one God, but then they believe in a trinity, but when the Bible says one God, it means one God.
No one can prove a trinity, but one God with no distinction of persons can be proven time and time again.
When the Protestant movement protested it appears as if they did not protest enough, but held unto that trinity doctrine that is a pagan belief, the same as they say Mary is the Queen of heaven, for the pagans have a female deity as part of their beliefs.
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Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Can Jesus work among people like He would want if they place Him second place, and not the one true God.
Is that why there is hypocrisy, and people fighting over truth, for they say there is a trinity when God said thou shalt have no other gods before me, and the Spirit does not work among many because of this causing them to miss out on the power of the Spirit in their life, and to understand all truth.
1Ti 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
No person has seen Jesus, and no person will ever see Jesus, for He is an invisible Spirit, but will show all people a visible image of Himself, saints that dwell with Him, and when He judges the world, for all knees will bow, and all tongues will confess that Jesus is Lord, all to the glory of God the Father.
When the Bible says one God, it means one God, so why do people have to make it out to be different not understanding Father, Son, and Holy Ghost that it is the 3 relationships God has with His people, and not 3 persons in one God.
Like Jesus said He came in His Father's name, and the Son inherited the name from the Father, and the Holy Spirit comes in the name of Jesus, for Jesus is the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and Jesus created all things, came in flesh, and dwells in the saints, for He told the disciples He would not leave them comfortless, but come to them, and said that the Holy Spirit is the Comforter.
One God means one God, and there is but one God, the Father, and Jesus is the Son according to His humanity, for there is no God the Son.
Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Can Jesus work among people like He would want if they place Him second place, and not the one true God.
Is that why there is hypocrisy, and people fighting over truth, for they say there is a trinity when God said thou shalt have no other gods before me, and the Spirit does not work among many because of this causing them to miss out on the power of the Spirit in their life, and to understand all truth.
1Ti 6:14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:
1Ti 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
No person has seen Jesus, and no person will ever see Jesus, for He is an invisible Spirit, but will show all people a visible image of Himself, saints that dwell with Him, and when He judges the world, for all knees will bow, and all tongues will confess that Jesus is Lord, all to the glory of God the Father.
When the Bible says one God, it means one God, so why do people have to make it out to be different not understanding Father, Son, and Holy Ghost that it is the 3 relationships God has with His people, and not 3 persons in one God.
Like Jesus said He came in His Father's name, and the Son inherited the name from the Father, and the Holy Spirit comes in the name of Jesus, for Jesus is the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and Jesus created all things, came in flesh, and dwells in the saints, for He told the disciples He would not leave them comfortless, but come to them, and said that the Holy Spirit is the Comforter.
One God means one God, and there is but one God, the Father, and Jesus is the Son according to His humanity, for there is no God the Son.
Jesus was not "created" as a "man". He Himself has always existed.
What was created was a 'vessel' or a 'house' for His eternal Spirit to dwell in during His time on the earth so that He could interact with us in a way that we could comprehend with our physical senses, in order for us to learn from Him in person.
What was created was a 'vessel' or a 'house' for His eternal Spirit to dwell in during His time on the earth so that He could interact with us in a way that we could comprehend with our physical senses, in order for us to learn from Him in person.
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You find questions insulting?
And oh the irony...
My belief in Messiah is not real you say. But I need to stop insulting people? o.k.
I questioned some here, in good faith. Never personally. As you have just done.
Agreed, and I've said that before. My whole point has been his physical body was created. NOT that Jesus came into being with his created body. Yes, he existed before the foundations of the world, it was he who created them, being the Word of Elohim. Who has NOW in this time, through Israel become a fleshly person, a man, our Messiah. As promised, as foretold through the prophets.
Please tell me your talking in metaphors! Please...
You will have to forgive me for not believing your understanding of scripture. Or Jesus' use of metaphors and parables too it seems.
So strange, you come at someone with an olive branch and they pull their sword on you.... <<<< metaphor
And oh the irony...
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I questioned some here, in good faith. Never personally. As you have just done.
Agreed, and I've said that before. My whole point has been his physical body was created. NOT that Jesus came into being with his created body. Yes, he existed before the foundations of the world, it was he who created them, being the Word of Elohim. Who has NOW in this time, through Israel become a fleshly person, a man, our Messiah. As promised, as foretold through the prophets.
Please tell me your talking in metaphors! Please...
You will have to forgive me for not believing your understanding of scripture. Or Jesus' use of metaphors and parables too it seems.
So strange, you come at someone with an olive branch and they pull their sword on you.... <<<< metaphor
You find questions insulting?
And oh the irony...
My belief in Messiah is not real you say. But I need to stop insulting people? o.k.
I questioned some here, in good faith. Never personally. As you have just done.
Agreed, and I've said that before. My whole point has been his physical body was created. NOT that Jesus came into being with his created body. Yes, he existed before the foundations of the world, it was he who created them, being the Word of Elohim. Who has NOW in this time, through Israel become a fleshly person, a man, our Messiah. As promised, as foretold through the prophets.
Please tell me your talking in metaphors! Please...
You will have to forgive me for not believing your understanding of scripture. Or Jesus' use of metaphors and parables too it seems.
So strange, you come at someone with an olive branch and they pull their sword on you.... <<<< metaphor
And oh the irony...
My belief in Messiah is not real you say. But I need to stop insulting people? o.k.
I questioned some here, in good faith. Never personally. As you have just done.
Agreed, and I've said that before. My whole point has been his physical body was created. NOT that Jesus came into being with his created body. Yes, he existed before the foundations of the world, it was he who created them, being the Word of Elohim. Who has NOW in this time, through Israel become a fleshly person, a man, our Messiah. As promised, as foretold through the prophets.
Please tell me your talking in metaphors! Please...
You will have to forgive me for not believing your understanding of scripture. Or Jesus' use of metaphors and parables too it seems.
So strange, you come at someone with an olive branch and they pull their sword on you.... <<<< metaphor
When I first posted in this thread, I jumped into an already existent and ongoing conversation, and my intent was to elaborate scripturally on one point, since it seems/seemed to me the poster to which I was replying was repeatedly denying at one point - the divinity aspect of Christ..
It's terribly easy to see Jesus as a man, a Rabbi, our Teacher, a Prophet... but if we don't understand or see the Divine in Him, we can't see or understand the fullness of who Jesus is and therefore cannot have a true saving faith in Him..
Knowing and understanding Jesus, in the fullness of who He is, is absolutely essential to salvation.
I knew of Jesus my whole life, believed in a caricature of Him as a man my whole life... but it wasn't until I understood Him in truth, in the fullness of who He is and truly understood salvation that I was saved - and that I was able to be saved.
Therefore, your argument with my statement has been confusing me from the start, since many comments to the poster had been made, and many things had already been explained. I just wanted to jump in with some not yet mentioned scripture, only to be attacked by you.
That is fine if we are simply misunderstanding one anothers beliefs, maybe our wires got crossed some how wrongly..
But I would ask, Do you believe and affirm both the Nicene creed as well as the Athanasian creed?
I believe in and affirm both, if this is helpful. Maybe from here we can clarify where the other is coming from.
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Three threads @LeeLoving is asking about the same question.......SALVATIONS PLAN! Either he is playing cc members or someone needs to please explain it to him! Thanks!💖💖💖
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You find questions insulting?
And oh the irony...
My belief in Messiah is not real you say. But I need to stop insulting people? o.k.
I questioned some here, in good faith. Never personally. As you have just done.
Agreed, and I've said that before. My whole point has been his physical body was created. NOT that Jesus came into being with his created body. Yes, he existed before the foundations of the world, it was he who created them, being the Word of Elohim. Who has NOW in this time, through Israel become a fleshly person, a man, our Messiah. As promised, as foretold through the prophets.
Please tell me your talking in metaphors! Please...
You will have to forgive me for not believing your understanding of scripture. Or Jesus' use of metaphors and parables too it seems.
So strange, you come at someone with an olive branch and they pull their sword on you.... <<<< metaphor
And oh the irony...
My belief in Messiah is not real you say. But I need to stop insulting people? o.k.
I questioned some here, in good faith. Never personally. As you have just done.
Agreed, and I've said that before. My whole point has been his physical body was created. NOT that Jesus came into being with his created body. Yes, he existed before the foundations of the world, it was he who created them, being the Word of Elohim. Who has NOW in this time, through Israel become a fleshly person, a man, our Messiah. As promised, as foretold through the prophets.
Please tell me your talking in metaphors! Please...
You will have to forgive me for not believing your understanding of scripture. Or Jesus' use of metaphors and parables too it seems.
So strange, you come at someone with an olive branch and they pull their sword on you.... <<<< metaphor
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You find questions insulting?
And oh the irony...
My belief in Messiah is not real you say. But I need to stop insulting people? o.k.
I questioned some here, in good faith. Never personally. As you have just done.
Agreed, and I've said that before. My whole point has been his physical body was created. NOT that Jesus came into being with his created body. Yes, he existed before the foundations of the world, it was he who created them, being the Word of Elohim. Who has NOW in this time, through Israel become a fleshly person, a man, our Messiah. As promised, as foretold through the prophets.
Please tell me your talking in metaphors! Please...
You will have to forgive me for not believing your understanding of scripture. Or Jesus' use of metaphors and parables too it seems.
So strange, you come at someone with an olive branch and they pull their sword on you.... <<<< metaphor
And oh the irony...
My belief in Messiah is not real you say. But I need to stop insulting people? o.k.
I questioned some here, in good faith. Never personally. As you have just done.
Agreed, and I've said that before. My whole point has been his physical body was created. NOT that Jesus came into being with his created body. Yes, he existed before the foundations of the world, it was he who created them, being the Word of Elohim. Who has NOW in this time, through Israel become a fleshly person, a man, our Messiah. As promised, as foretold through the prophets.
Please tell me your talking in metaphors! Please...
You will have to forgive me for not believing your understanding of scripture. Or Jesus' use of metaphors and parables too it seems.
So strange, you come at someone with an olive branch and they pull their sword on you.... <<<< metaphor
I am a little confused. Your profile says you are Jewish and NOT Christian.
Also, are you aware that your profile pic is basically satanic? It either is, or greatly resembles, the "As above, so below" symbol of Wiccans.
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My profile states I identify as a Jewish Believer. How is this confusing to you?
I was born Jewish, I started believing in our Messiah at 21, I'm in my 50's now.
You're hung up on symbols. Are you aware that the trinity and its applied symbols are of pagan origin? And please, let's not get into the whole star of molech fiasco.
I've known many wiccans. I'm not wiccan. Look at the heart not the faces. In that image I see Romans 11:25-36. And the image also represents the following truths to me.
Romans 11:36
For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. To Him be the glory forever! Amen.
Matthew 6:10
Your kingdom come, Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
Deuteronomy 4:39
Acknowledge and take to heart this day that the Lord is God in heaven above and on the earth below. There is no other.
John 1:3
All things were made through Him, and apart from Him nothing was made that has come into being.
Joshua 2:11
When we heard of it, our hearts melted in fear and everyone’s courage failed because of you, for the Lord your God is God in heaven above and on the earth below.
Acts 17:25
Nor is He served by human hands, as if He needed anything, since He Himself gives to everyone life and breath and all things.
1 Corinthians 8:6
yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things, and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Yeshua the Messiah, through whom are all things, and we exist through Him.
Colossians 3:11
The new self allows no room for discriminating between Gentile and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, foreigner, savage, slave, free man; on the contrary, in all, the Messiah is everything.
Isaiah 37:31
Once more a remnant of the kingdom of Judah will take root below and bear fruit above.
I was born Jewish, I started believing in our Messiah at 21, I'm in my 50's now.
You're hung up on symbols. Are you aware that the trinity and its applied symbols are of pagan origin? And please, let's not get into the whole star of molech fiasco.
I've known many wiccans. I'm not wiccan. Look at the heart not the faces. In that image I see Romans 11:25-36. And the image also represents the following truths to me.
Romans 11:36
For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. To Him be the glory forever! Amen.
Matthew 6:10
Your kingdom come, Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
Deuteronomy 4:39
Acknowledge and take to heart this day that the Lord is God in heaven above and on the earth below. There is no other.
John 1:3
All things were made through Him, and apart from Him nothing was made that has come into being.
Joshua 2:11
When we heard of it, our hearts melted in fear and everyone’s courage failed because of you, for the Lord your God is God in heaven above and on the earth below.
Acts 17:25
Nor is He served by human hands, as if He needed anything, since He Himself gives to everyone life and breath and all things.
1 Corinthians 8:6
yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things, and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Yeshua the Messiah, through whom are all things, and we exist through Him.
Colossians 3:11
The new self allows no room for discriminating between Gentile and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, foreigner, savage, slave, free man; on the contrary, in all, the Messiah is everything.
Isaiah 37:31
Once more a remnant of the kingdom of Judah will take root below and bear fruit above.
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if you were familiar with how a Jewish person speaks, you would understand this poster is not being rude nor fulfilling any other of your accusations
I have been around many Jewish believers and even unbelievers
understand a direct line of questionning is not anger
otherwise I must suffer badly from it myself and I am simply...DIRECT
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No ma'am I do not identify with creeds nor the organizations that formulated them. They are anti Jewish from my perspective, desiring to replace and/or eradicate our faith and our heritage. As a Jew I can not honestly embrace the replacement theology of the early church fathers. Yet, I'm here in an attempt to reconcile our differences and focus on the commonalities of our faith in the king of the Jews.
And, being told that Jesus doesn't have a created body I had to ask questions. Christian dogma is so strange to my Jewish understanding of the person you call Jesus Christ.
I'm not interested in becoming a traditional Christian, and I'm not here to try and convince you to believe like me. I just believe in reconciliation more than anything. I'd like to think it's possible to reconcile the differences between between us instead of beating ourselves up for righteousness sake.
In other words, don't tell me that I'm wrong or that I don't have a real faith in the messiah. Don't tell me that I'm lost or that I'm really a wiccan. Don't tell me that I'm the one with the problem and you're the only ones who can help me. And I won't do the same to you. Deal?
And, being told that Jesus doesn't have a created body I had to ask questions. Christian dogma is so strange to my Jewish understanding of the person you call Jesus Christ.
I'm not interested in becoming a traditional Christian, and I'm not here to try and convince you to believe like me. I just believe in reconciliation more than anything. I'd like to think it's possible to reconcile the differences between between us instead of beating ourselves up for righteousness sake.
In other words, don't tell me that I'm wrong or that I don't have a real faith in the messiah. Don't tell me that I'm lost or that I'm really a wiccan. Don't tell me that I'm the one with the problem and you're the only ones who can help me. And I won't do the same to you. Deal?
What the creeds do, is explain the nature of Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit.
They used, when they were written, Biblical teachings in order to clarify these topics due to many falsehoods being espoused.
I am asking that you read what they say concerning the nature of God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit and see if your in disagreement with any specific portion..
Jesus was fully man, He was also, in our beliefs, fully God. As stated in a portion of the Athanasian creed:
The Father is made of none; neither created, nor begotten. The Son is of the Father alone; not made, nor created; but begotten. The Holy Ghost is of the Father and of the Son; neither made, nor created, nor begotten; but proceeding.
So there is one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons; one Holy Ghost, not three Holy Ghosts. And in this Trinity none is before, or after another; none is greater, or less than another. But the whole three Persons are coeternal, and coequal. So that in all things, as aforesaid; the Unity in Trinity, and the Trinity in Unity, is to be worshipped.
It's kind of simple to ask for you to clarify what you believe regarding the Trinity.. After all, your in this thread upset that I would say Jesus is divine, and prove it using scripture..
So I'm asking for clarification from you, and offering an easy way to clarify that.
As far as you being ethnically Jewish, that doesnt matter. Ethnicity doesnt get you into heaven, your faith in Christ does.
So, do you need me to link the creeds or are you just photoboming the thread trying to confuse a new believer in Christ?
They used, when they were written, Biblical teachings in order to clarify these topics due to many falsehoods being espoused.
I am asking that you read what they say concerning the nature of God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit and see if your in disagreement with any specific portion..
Jesus was fully man, He was also, in our beliefs, fully God. As stated in a portion of the Athanasian creed:
The Father is made of none; neither created, nor begotten. The Son is of the Father alone; not made, nor created; but begotten. The Holy Ghost is of the Father and of the Son; neither made, nor created, nor begotten; but proceeding.
So there is one Father, not three Fathers; one Son, not three Sons; one Holy Ghost, not three Holy Ghosts. And in this Trinity none is before, or after another; none is greater, or less than another. But the whole three Persons are coeternal, and coequal. So that in all things, as aforesaid; the Unity in Trinity, and the Trinity in Unity, is to be worshipped.
It's kind of simple to ask for you to clarify what you believe regarding the Trinity.. After all, your in this thread upset that I would say Jesus is divine, and prove it using scripture..
So I'm asking for clarification from you, and offering an easy way to clarify that.
As far as you being ethnically Jewish, that doesnt matter. Ethnicity doesnt get you into heaven, your faith in Christ does.
So, do you need me to link the creeds or are you just photoboming the thread trying to confuse a new believer in Christ?
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