Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.
- Thread starter LW97
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
U
Did I ever mention the sinners prayer?
Being born again is coming into agreement with God that what He states is true....
ie......... all our righteousness is as filthy rags, we have no hope of achieving heaven, we need a perfect Saviour, Jesus is the perfect Saviour, He took on our sins, we trade our sins and self effort FOR His perfection, we accept His gift of salvation ...given to us by the grace of God through faith in His work on the cross for us.
Being born again is coming into agreement with God that what He states is true....
ie......... all our righteousness is as filthy rags, we have no hope of achieving heaven, we need a perfect Saviour, Jesus is the perfect Saviour, He took on our sins, we trade our sins and self effort FOR His perfection, we accept His gift of salvation ...given to us by the grace of God through faith in His work on the cross for us.
-
3
- Show all
1 John 3:6 New International Version (NIV)
6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning.No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.
It says here "continues" to sin
If your saying we cant sin- then we must be perfect now.
If we say we have no sin we are liars and the truth is not in us.
1 John 1:8-10 New International Version (NIV)
8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sinsand purify us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.
If you were perfect and couldn't sin again why would this prayer be here?
Matthew 26:41 New International Version (NIV)
41 “Watch and pray so that you will not fall into temptation. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.”
6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning.No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.
It says here "continues" to sin
If your saying we cant sin- then we must be perfect now.
If we say we have no sin we are liars and the truth is not in us.
1 John 1:8-10 New International Version (NIV)
8 If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sinsand purify us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.
If you were perfect and couldn't sin again why would this prayer be here?
Matthew 26:41 New International Version (NIV)
41 “Watch and pray so that you will not fall into temptation. The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak.”
U
Agree, once we place our faith in Christ, He is the one who is faithful, even when we are faithless so we know we are secure in Him.
New International Version
if we are faithless, he remains faithful, for he cannot disown himself.
He is within us.... therefore He cannot disown Himself... we are secure in Him, He in us and us in Him!!
Amen and Amen
New International Version
if we are faithless, he remains faithful, for he cannot disown himself.
He is within us.... therefore He cannot disown Himself... we are secure in Him, He in us and us in Him!!
Amen and Amen
Got to love this, "You do not understand at all"
You - a focusing on an individual
do not understand - a complete put down to the level incompetence
at all - negligence
Put simply this is a lie. It would be hard to find anyone who is discussing our faith,
who does not have a reasonable understanding of the fundamentals, especially if
they are co-herently distinguishing between OSAS and other positions with a high level
of understanding. So this can only be a simple insult, a debasing and full frontal
assault. Once you start with this, the rest is probably irrelevant, because whatever
it might be it is not a good tree with figs or grapes to give food for the soul and spirit
who is sharing, but a false teacher.
You - a focusing on an individual
do not understand - a complete put down to the level incompetence
at all - negligence
Put simply this is a lie. It would be hard to find anyone who is discussing our faith,
who does not have a reasonable understanding of the fundamentals, especially if
they are co-herently distinguishing between OSAS and other positions with a high level
of understanding. So this can only be a simple insult, a debasing and full frontal
assault. Once you start with this, the rest is probably irrelevant, because whatever
it might be it is not a good tree with figs or grapes to give food for the soul and spirit
who is sharing, but a false teacher.
Isaiah 64:6
Faith is credited as righteousness.
Romans 4:5-7 New International Version (NIV)
5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness. 6 David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the one to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:
7 “Blessed are those
whose transgressions are forgiven,
whose sins are covered.
Faith is credited as righteousness.
Romans 4:5-7 New International Version (NIV)
5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness. 6 David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the one to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:
7 “Blessed are those
whose transgressions are forgiven,
whose sins are covered.
. So perfect