The Bottomless Pit is neither Hades, nor Hell, nor Tartarus

And what does you answer have do with the literal existence of the Abyss and Satan being cast in there for a literal 1000 years, which is what we have been discussing?

It was beneficial thanks for replying, I can agree with it maybe like what you said just a analogy, some good comparisons by the way,

I know the Bible says under the earth, though I’m not completely sure it’s actually under the surface or actually under the whole earth like in space under it. guess I need ponder on that some more.

My answer makes your belief that Satan needs to be chained in a hole in ground to keep him from deceiving the world, a slap in face to Jesus's sacrifice.

My answer makes your belief that Satan needs to be chained in a hole in gtound to keep him from deceiving the world, a slap in face to Jesus's sacrifice.

No...he was ridiculing what I said as evidenced by the next few posts on it...like I had made it up...it was sarcastic....

It was beneficial thanks for replying, I can agree with it maybe like what you said just a analogy, some good comparisons by the way,

I know the Bible says under the earth, though I’m not completely sure it’s actually under the surface or actually under the whole earth like in space under it. guess I need ponder on that some more.

This is not some individual's belief but DIVINE REVELATION within THE REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST WHICH GOD GAVE TO HIM.

So it is a slap in the face of God to deny that this is exactly what God has revealed, no matter how difficult it may be for you to grasp this. And if you can't believe this, you should not claim to believe the Gospel either.

REVELATION 20 (THIS IS HOLY WRIT)
1And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

iSatan will indeed be put into the Abyss to keep him from deceiving the nations and that because of the fact that this is exactly what the scripture states.

In addition, have you never read the following:

"The great dragon was hurled down--that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him."

When Jesus was crucified, for those who believe in Him, He fulfilled the law on behalf of every believer, took upon himself God's wrath

which every believer deserves

and paid the penalty for our sins.

However, that doesn't mean that Satan is not bound from deceiving the rest of the inhabitants of the earth. Point being is that, Jesus sacrifice is not stopping Satan from deceiving the world.

But back to the point, Satan will be thrown into the literal Abyss and imprisoned there during the Lord's thousand year reign on the earth. At the end of that thousand years, he will be released for one last rebellion, where at which time he will be thrown into the lake of fire.

Regarding Satan needing to be "chained in a hole in gtound to keep him from deceiving the world" read the following. You're arguing with the word of God, not me.

"And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended

What you are doing is misinterpreting the plain meaning of the information above. It's the real Abyss and Satan will be restricted in it during the literal thousand year reign of Chirst on this earth.

If you have any doubts about what I am saying, then just reread the scripture above in its plain literal meaning.

I'm glad that my example was helpful.

That the Abyss is under the earth can be deduced from other scriptures. For example:

"Then the fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from heaven to earth, and it was given the key to the pit of the Abyss. The star/angel opened the pit of the Abyss, and smoke rose out of it like the smoke of a great furnace, and the sun and the air were darkened by the smoke from the pit.

So in the scripture above, it is said that a star, which figurative representing an angel, was given the key to the Abyss, which he opens. Since it is stated that the angel is falling from heaven to the earth, then we can deduce that the entrance to the Abyss is on the surface of the earth and not in heaven. That the entrance to the Abyss is on the surface of the earth can also be deduced because it states that smoke rises out of it, darkening the air. We also have the following scriptures:

"When the two witnesses have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will wage war with them, and will overpower and kill them."

"The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction."

"And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.

So in the first two scriptures we have the beast "coming up out of the Abyss" which would demonstrate that the beast would have to be down in the Abyss in order to come in an upward direction.

The last scripture has an angel coming down out of heaven, which would demonstrate that he is coming down to the earth where he throws and imprisons Satan in the Abyss.

Through these scriptures, we can see that the Abyss is a place under the earth, which currently holds the beast and other demonic beings.

really . I was ridcusiing. What the numbers for the lottery?


I would offer what I think the unseen gospel reveals in that parable.

But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it. And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet. For as Jonas was a sign unto the Ninevites, so shall also the Son of man be to this generation. Luke 11:28 -30

Evil generation = natural unconverted mankind . You could say so also shall Jesus be to unbelieving evil generation who seeks after a signs. . as things seen. They have no faith by which they could beleive.

Will it be a sign they heard the gospel and believed in Him not seen. . . the sign of a new heart and new tongue the gospel .Or will they continue to be marked as evil natural man, the generation of Adam and not the generation of Christ the new creatures. .

I would think "heart of the earth" or the "heart of the dust"... Is used as a comparative parable as the last sign and wonder. . . three days in the heart of the earth is the same principle three days in belly of the whale.. . . a living hell by reason of suffering above ground .A living sacrifice. Yes rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it.

Genesis 6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

In the earth, heart of the spiritless earth

You could say the wrath of God being revealed from heaven. Men with hard hearts suffering the first death. . . hearts made from the granite (dust)

.In the earth subject to death the temporal . In the heavens subject to the eternal , not seen

Like with Jonas and Jesus and the three demonstration as a work of suffering. . . being strengthened to finish the work. the Spirit of God to represent softening the stone heart of mankind evil continually as dead it is trespasses and sin

Not under the earth like no breathable air.

Jonah 2 King James Version (KJV) Then Jonah prayed unto the Lord his God out of the fish's belly, And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the Lord, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice

Matthew 26:37-39 King James Version (KJV) And he took with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, and began to be sorrowful and very heavy.Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me. And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt

Thanks garee that is good info also, from your post and another poster, it does seem now that the place is on the earth

Yes man is made of earth .In the earth is the suffering in mans evil hard heart .Hell is a living suffering... The wrath of God being revealed .The first death. . every human experiences hell.

This is what happens when you make everything into a parable. So now "hell" is a parable for every human experience and suffering.

Amazing how self-delusion is produced through misrepresenting what is in the Bible.

It would seem you are not very fond of parables ?

Black holes are just evidence of collapsed stars and planets. So entirely plausible that something like a black hole would be present when this earth collapses at the end of time. See revelation 16:18-20
We dont really know how they start because we only can speculate or see them from afar. Scientists may say this or that, but the Bible pretty much describes a perfect example of one. We cant say for sure that nothing comes out of them. But they are around.

When its says locusts are released from the bottomless pit, well how big are locusts, they are tiny insects. But in mass numbers, they can cause great devastation. And they can darken the whole sky.

I just find it interesting. Im not pitting science against the Bible. Theres heaps of stuff scientists just cant explain, maybe cos they missing the big picture and trying to find alternate ways to explain things without really seeing God behind it all, after all He is in charge of the Universe and everything in it.

Good day Lanolin!

"And there were flashes of lightning, and rumblings, and peals of thunder, and a great earthquake the likes of which had not occurred since men were upon the earth—so mighty was the great quake."

Seeing that the 7th bowl will be poured out just before Jesus returns to the earth to end the age and that He must reign on this present earth for a thousand years, wouldn't you rather be inclined to believe that there will be literal lightning, rumblings, thunder and the greatest earthquake to ever hit the earth, opposed to a black hole? The great earthquake will be world-wide which can be deduced from the context which states that the "cities of the nations collapse," as well as the mountains and islands not being found, which I believe could be due to the liquification factor of such a large earthquake. I believe that this will be the fulfillment of when "God rises to shake the earth." In any case, I wouldn't believe it to be a black hole and that because Jesus must rule on this earth for a thousand years after the 7th bowl is poured out. It is not until the end of the thousand years that this present earth will pass away.



I don't believe that these will be your garden variety locusts, but demonic beings that resemble locusts. They are described as having:

* Faces like human faces

* Hair like women's hair

* Teeth like lions teeth

* Breastplates of iron

* Like horses prepared for battle

* Tails and stingers like scorpions with which to torment for 5 months

The main thing for us to understand, is that it is not until that angel opens the Abyss that they come out. I personally don't know of any natural locusts that come up out of the Abyss. There's nothing green for them to eat down there and it is literally hot as Hell! Oh wait, it is Hell, or part of Hell.

Another reason that would demonstrate that they are not your common variety of locusts is that, it is said that they have a king over them which is the angel of the Abyss. I also don't believe that these locusts demons will be tiny insects because for one, they come out of the Abyss and two, because their wings are described as many horses and chariots rushing into battle. A large number of four to six inch winged insects would not be able to make that low of a sound, but a higher pitched sound. This, plus their description of having teeth like lions teeth, hair like women's hair and faces like human faces, would lead me to believe that these things will be larger than a typical locust. The context also shows that they are "told" not to harm the grass, plants or trees, but only those who will not have the seal of God in their foreheads, which would indicate intelligence, not to mention the fact that their king is the beast who comes up out of the Abyss.



I agree! I like watching the space documentaries, Nat Geo and others. But I am continually reminded that everything that they are presenting is always evolution based, leaving God out as Creator. Just this morning I was watching "NASA Unexplained Files" and they were attempting to credit an asteroid as striking the earth for the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, once again taking God out of the equation.

The unseen understanding in that parable as the signified language of Revelation addressed in the opening statement of chapter 1.
It is simply saying the father of lies is coming in full glory with battle array .Having the face of man and the hair of woman is the representative glory in describing our God .

Here the father of lies is coming as the counterfeit god riding on his high horse called False Pride....spirits don't need horses to travel..

Revelation 9:6-8 King James Version (KJV)And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces were as the faces of men. And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle. And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.

It is simply saying the father of lies is coming in full glory with battle array .Having the face of man and the hair of woman is the representative glory in describing our God .

Wow! Another doozy because EVERYTHING IN THE BIBLE MEANS SOMETHING ELSE. Garee, where did you acquire these totally bizarre ideas?

Black holes are just evidence of collapsed stars and planets. So entirely plausible that something like a black hole would be present when this earth collapses at the end of time. See revelation 16:18-20
We dont really know how they start because we only can speculate or see them from afar. Scientists may say this or that, but the Bible pretty much describes a perfect example of one. We cant say for sure that nothing comes out of them. But they are around.

When its says locusts are released from the bottomless pit, well how big are locusts, they are tiny insects. But in mass numbers, they can cause great devastion. And they can darken the whole sky.

I just find it interesting. Im not pitting science against the Bible. Theres heaps of stuff scientists just cant explain, maybe cos they missing the big picture and trying to find alternate ways to explain things without really seeing God behind it all, after all He is in charge of the Universe and everything in it.