Gospel or theology?

There is legitimate theology (the study of God, which encompasses everything in the Bible) and there is also illegitimate theology (which trieS to intellectualize Bible truth). There has been a great deal of speculation and humanistic reasoning that has entered into many theologies. So we need to remember what is stated in Scripture: PROVE ALL THINGS. HOLD FAST TO THAT WHICH IS GOOD.

Sounds like one of those inseparable things?

I would offer. Not doctrine from dead knowledge. But knowledge like living water falling from or inspired for heaven as the doctrine of God Using living water to represent spirit of knowledge.

Deuteronomy 32:1-3 King James Version (KJV) Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth.My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:

A Living knowledge that does not return void of the purpose he sends. We preach Christ not our own selves. He does the teaching and bringing to mind the things he has taught us..

Those who hear mental files rather than the living gospel like those who use words like Bible thumpers. It would seem they do not have ears to hear the grace of the gospel. hearing the word Jesus becomes they say Jesus with every sentence. The gospel must be mixed in.

Isiaiah 28: 9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

Who has God given understanding to? From the milk of the word teaches us God is gracious They have tasted and believed. Not from those who hear mental files words without meaning rather than the gospel the interpretation of God. We plant and water the seed he does the teaching if there is any growth.

1 Peter 2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:

Titus 2:12 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

Isiaiah 28: 10-14For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken. Wherefore hear the word of the Lord, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem

They simply would not settle for all things written in the law and the Prophets .(sola scriptura) But as those in Jerimiah 44. We will not hearken onto the milk of the word but will rather do whatsoever thing our own mouth says (oral traditions) and see absolutely no evil in doing so. Killing the two witnesses. . . the law and the prophets making the word of God without effect.

The gospel

John 3:16-17
16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

Romans 10:8-11
8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”

Jesus came to die for us that through belief and confession we are reconciled to God through faith.

That's why we can call on the name of the Lord.

That is the Gospel.

Do we preach it or walk in it or both?

For me in a sense we can prech it by walking in it.

Just like Jesus did.
Words are not necessary but actions are.
Jesus loved the broken hearted, the marginalised.
Never rejected them and loved them where they were at.

Did Jesus endorse the theology of his time on earth or come against it?

He came against it.

The theology ruined the gospel.

Theology can lead to religion, the very religion Jesus came against.
The one that puts a millstone round the neck.

Jesus came to show us that we have an Abba Father whom we can call out to.
And be reconciled through faith as a result of what Jesus has done for us and not by what we can do for him.

He is the gospel, showed us the gospel and we walk in that same gospel.
If we did that then we preach it by our actions and not by our words.

I believe if God truly “demanded” / “commanded” that “everyone” come to belief in Jesus, then it would occur, and everyone would be saved. Since we know that everyone will not be saved, even though it is His desire, then what we read as a command is really a suggestion, a good one, for our benefit.

This is not theology, but doctrinal preferences. If it has been presented to you as theology, whoever did it is clueless about theology.

Theology, in Greek, θεολογία, which is theos and logia. Translated theos = God and logia = study.

So, theology means, the "study of God." I would think we all need to aspire to that. While an unbeliever may have no understanding of who God really is, the Holy Spirit will always lead a believer to know God more and more. The Bible is the best source of that information.

In the interests of full disclosure, I am working on a PhD in theology, although I may have to stop because my health is so bad. One thing you always do is read theologians from every denomination, including the RCC. They may be wrong on many things, but have a glimmer of truth, not previously said, and hence, more learning about who God is, or any of the other topics of theology. Of course, our job is to correctly divide the truth of God, and not be taken in by new or fancy ideas which are not based on the Bible. Some people, I admit, get trapped, and lose sight of the goal of being able to share the truth of who God is, whether while preaching Christ and the gospel, or in denominational decrees.

My pastor believes in Open Theology, a terrible heresy. He doesn't preach it, but I believe he has an anemic view of the sovereignty of God, which comes through in his preaching. I wish I had thought to ask a question like that when he was being vetted. He doesn't advertise it, but he did tell me. I'm still praying about what to do. I do not want to leave my church, but not ready for a confrontation, yet! Maybe a debate?? Not ready for that, either. Sigh!

You had me agreeing with you, until the last line. Another person who does not have a clue what theology means!

And just what is "sound doctrine" based on?

Oh right, good theology! Another person who does not understand what theology means. Shocking!

Precious sister.

Thanks for your post.
It's time for bed for me.
I will look tomorrow fully at the post.

I have read it but being tired (long night last night, took my daughter at 2 a:m to catch a flight to Rwanda)

The one thing that stuck out for me is your health issues.

Jesus I thank you for our precious sister Angela.

Thank you that even though she has these issues and still seeks you, seeks the truth

I pray your blessings upon her, your peace, your strength.

We lift her up to you in Jesus name.

Why the red X?
Angela

It becomes theology when people intellectualize it instead of live it., and I see it all over the place. A rule of thumb I have ( my personal convictions alone ) is that I will not sit under the preached word of someone who isn't sharing Christ in their personal life with regularity.

The more you talk, the more obvious it becomes that you do not know what you are talking about....and this applies to almost , if not all subjects you address....

Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.

In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation-- having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise

Why don't you enlighten all of us by the above "wisdom" of yours and jive it with what PETER and company PREACHED.....

Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Brethren, what shall we do?"

For those reading.....do not buy the drivel that the gospel is not to be proclaimed from a standpoint of wisdom and or knowledge gained.....and there is a prescribed ROUTE one must receive, believe and embrace to be born from above......

That is not the call but it reveals which ones were given the faith of God so they could believe. Previously having no faith (None not little) by which they could beleive. as always he must do the first work. It is identifying the many that the father gave to the Son in the following verse.

John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God

Not a faith of ones self we have none. Again if he does not first repent and in his mercy turn us toward him. . . hearing his word, no man can repent and confess. Faith is the gift by which we can believe God. Jesus said in John 6 . It is the work of God that we can believe . No work of God working in us..... no belief , as faith of God

That's why we can call on the name of the Lord.

Not us calling Him but Him calling us. He knew where we were By the gospel knowledge of the good news we can call on the lord. without it we can do nothing.


Walking in his knowledge is preaching it. Go out into the word with the gospel .Warn those of men who say we need a man seen to teach us .Even the Son of man would not stand in the Holy unseen place of God as the one source of Christian faith as it is written

Yes, Jesus was kind hearted. Words are necessary to describe actions. Jesus, clearly endorsed the theology of his time on earth. He ate the food of the gospel doing the will of the father as it is written .(it representing the gospel) He outwardly set the example and lovingly commands us in 2 Peter to study to show our selves approved unto him. . . . His endorsement

False theology can lead to false religion. Not the kind of the very religious Jesus . . . true religion.

I thought it meant "disagree?" That is what it says. It is not dislike, nor angry, but just that the theology wasn't in agreement with mine. Please don't be offended. Sorry if I did it, I was just trying to use the icons we have.

I started to use it a few times based on that but then just didn't know which one to click,lol,,,,the post where I almost agree with everything but then not one part makes me wish we had an almost equal to icon.

There is always the (half way) straight face LOL.

Suggest it under the suggestion thread

I guess so,your right,lol.

Thanks for the insult Angela you wear it well

There is a lot of over cooked theology available to those who would rather study about God than know God. Do we see the apostles and disciples as theologians? We do see them as saints of God evangelizing the world. They the apostles and disciples had sound doctrine without all the theology.

I'm not against theologians if they know Jesus as Savior in fact we need them in the body of Christ. The problem is that they can see things and add complications to the basic essence of what men need to know to become saved.

Sound doctrine comes from the word of God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Not offended at all.
I think I know you well enough.
There is angry emoji.
And a dislike emoji.

Just wanted to know why the red X.
Nothing wrong with disagreeing but I think for me it would be good to know why.
Then I can digest the differences.
And you never know, you might be able to teach this old dog new tricks.

Mind you there is also emoji

Been accused a few time of speaking said emoji above

All is well.