Eternal torment VS Annihilation

That's a strawman. In the same manner I could say "if eternal torment is true, then all people have eternal life".
Of course conditional immortality means eternal punishment, hence, the RESULTS of the punishment are eternal.

Sorry for a elementary question but which verse says they are men? Can’t angels, including fallen, turn themselves to appear human? As is shown with Lot (Genesis 9) - unless you argue fallen can’t appear as humans, only as angels of light?

“And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭11:14‬ ‭NIV‬‬

Who are the Beast and the False Prophet? Also, Revelation is more symbolic than any other book of the Bible. Of course the lost are casted into the Lake of Fire but that doesn't mean they aren't destroyed there.

Eternal judgement is just as eternal as eternal hell. However, the final judgement will not last forever, the results however will be forever.

You're right, it is an elementary question......Maybe go read a bit.....and start with the part that calls him.....THAT MAN OF SIN.............!!!!! and then use a little deductive reasoning!

Man you guys will swallow a camel and gag on a gnat while trying to sidestep the simple truths of the bible.........

Dude calm down, it was an honest question - I forgot about that part. Geez, I’ve been reading for 3-4 months - give me a break

Doesn’t change the fact that angels can appear as men

Who are the Beast and the False Prophet? Also, Revelation is more symbolic than any other book of the Bible. Of course the lost are casted into the Lake of Fire but that doesn't mean they aren't destroyed there.

Eternal judgement is just as eternal as eternal hell. However, the final judgement will not last forever, the results however will be forever.

THERE I find nothing to disagree. What we disagree on is whether or not the Lake of Fire will literally devour the wicked's souls (Hebrews 10:27).

People to this day believe the lie Satan said to Eve if you eat this fruit you will not die. It was a sin for Eve to eat the fruit. God said the wages of sin is death not eternal torment. Satan said if you sin you won't die. Satan is called the Father of lies. God can not lie.

Why do so many people believe Satan and not believe God?

Well said!

Well, whether the words are "absent from the body" or "away from the body" the meaning is the same:

For our spirit to be present in our current bodies = not being in the presence of the Lord

For our spirit to be away (absent) from our current bodies = To be in the presence of the Lord

In Philippian's, Paul says that he is torn between staying in the body in order to be a benefit for the Philippian's, or to depart, i.e. his spirit leaving his body to be in the presence of the Lord.

My original point in all this is that, when the believer dies, their spirit departs and goes to be in the presence of the Lord.

As far as the use of the translated word "absent" is concerned, it is an acceptable translation. Here is the Greek word from which it is translated from:

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1553 ekdēméō (from 1537 /ek, "out from and to" and 1218 /dḗmos, "a population, people") – properly, out from home, i.e. with the outcome of being absent ("away from home"). It only occurs in 2 Cor 5:6-9.

In both 2 Cor.5:6-8 and Philippian's 1:22-23, Paul is revealing that at the time of death that his spirit would depart and go to be in the presence of the Lord. So I don't know how you can claim that I am assuming, when Paul gives a comparison of both.

If I am to go on living in the body, this will mean fruitful labor for me. Yet what shall I choose? I do not know! I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far; but it is more necessary for you that I remain in the body.

These scriptures are very good arguments against soul-sleep, as well as the event of the rich man and Lazarus, as well as many others.

And as I said previously, Paul is not referring to the resurrection, else it would make no sense for him to say to the Philippian's that it would be more necessary for him to remain in the body. Because if he was speaking about the resurrection, then their would be no reason for Paul to say that it was necessary for him to remain for their benefit, because they as believers would also be resurrected or changed and caught up at the same time he was.

As far as whether to use the word "absent" or "Away," they both convey the same meaning. Check out the translation of the word of these major translations

New International Version
We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord.

New Living Translation
Yes, we are fully confident, and we would rather be away from these earthly bodies, for then we will be at home with the Lord.

English Standard Version
Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord.

Berean Study Bible
We are confident, then, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord.

Berean Literal Bible
Now we are confident and are pleased rather to be absent out of the body, and to be at home with the Lord.

New American Standard Bible
we are of good courage, I say, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord.

King James Bible
We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

Christian Standard Bible
In fact, we are confident, and we would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord.

Contemporary English Version
We should be cheerful, because we would rather leave these bodies and be at home with the Lord.

Good News Translation
We are full of courage and would much prefer to leave our home in the body and be at home with the Lord.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
and we are confident and satisfied to be out of the body and at home with the Lord.

International Standard Version
We are confident, then, and would prefer to be away from this body and to live with the Lord.

NET Bible
Thus we are full of courage and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord.

New Heart English Bible
We are of good courage, I say, and are willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be at home with the Lord.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Because of this we trust and we long to depart from the body and to be with Our Lord.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
We are confident and prefer to live away from this body and to live with the Lord.

New American Standard 1977
we are of good courage, I say, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord.

Jubilee Bible 2000
We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.

King James 2000 Bible
We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

American King James Version
We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

American Standard Version
we are of good courage, I say, and are willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be at home with the Lord.

Douay-Rheims Bible
But we are confident, and have a good will to be absent rather from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

Darby Bible Translation
we are confident, I say, and pleased rather to be absent from the body and present with the Lord.

English Revised Version
we are of good courage, I say, and are willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be at home with the Lord.

Webster's Bible Translation
We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

Weymouth New Testament
So we have a cheerful confidence, and we anticipate with greater delight being banished from the body and going home to the Lord.

World English Bible
We are courageous, I say, and are willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be at home with the Lord.

Young's Literal Translation
we have courage, and are well pleased rather to be away from the home of the body, and to be at home with the Lord.

Not really..........the implication was false!!

Well, regarding this consider the following: If God has been and continues to send the unfaithful into Hades where they are in torment in flame throughout all of history, why would you think that they would be annihilated in the lake of fire? Again I would ask the question, why would God give the wicked resurrected bodies if He was just burning them up? Not to mention that the teaching of punishment, destruction, perishing, are all supported by the words eternal, everlasting, forever and ever, etc. These words do not convey the idea of temporary punishment, but on-going existence in said punishment.

If God was just going to annihilate the wicked, why send them to Hades? Why not burn them up right away?

Scripture no where teaches annihilation or temporary punishment. It is all conjecture by those who have introduced it.

If the wicked were just burned up after being thrown in, why give them resurrected bodies?

keep believing it is a straw man...an expected response from one that just cannot embrace the truth

So you believe in a God who is less merciful than me? Eternal torment without end has nothing to do with God's justice. Would you enjoy tormenting people foreverß

What has prompted your journey to apostasy?

God does not enjoy tormenting souls for eternity. If God enjoyed tormenting souls for eternity He would not have given His own dear Son to make atonement for men who hated and despised Him.

It is the goodness of God that leads men to repentance not the severity of God. God simply cannot abide sin in His presence and hell was created for the devil and his angels not for mankind.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

What has this to do with apostasy? Of course God does not enjoy it, but why does he do it then? I am convinced that Universal Salvation is false too, nothing defiled can enter heaven, but if God does it enjoy torturing souls forever, then the only solution is that he will destroy them forever and ever.

What has prompted your journey to apostasy?

God does not enjoy tormenting souls for eternity. If God enjoyed tormenting souls for eternity He would not have given His own dear Son to make atonement for men who hated and despised Him.

It is the goodness of God that leads men to repentance not the severity of God. God simply cannot abide sin in His presence and hell was created for the devil and his angels not for mankind.

For the cause of Christ
Roger