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I understand what you say, but have you consider all the stories about angels eating food with humans in the old times? Do angels have body of flesh too because of that?

...(not "spirit of His glory" lol)


This ^ was to be added to what I'd put here:

Yes, His physical body was raised. It was a sign. Just like all His miraculous healings were signs pointing to His divinity. That is not the nature of the resurrection though. That is not how those in Hades were raised in 70 AD. They became like the angels. Living spirits. I don't know what their bodies are like. I don't know what that existence is like because I have never experienced it.

Well, Bible talk about spiritual bodies too. Being spirit does not mean he has not a body.

1Co 15:44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body; there is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body; 45 so also it hath been written, `The first man Adam became a living creature,' the last Adam is for a life-giving spirit

If there are spiritual bodies, like angels, what's the problem if there is spiritual resurrection?

Jesus says multiple times His physical resurrection, just like His physical miracles, were signs pointing to His divinity. It is not the nature of your resurrection. What is our spiritual body in heaven like? I don't know. I can't answer that. It has nothing to do with flesh or a "rapture" or a transformation of anything physical and never will. But I know you don't believe that.

Well, this is the very subject that I believe 2Cor5:2-4 is covering, where "unclothed" means to be "apart from a body upon death [for the believer] for a time [that is, until the 'resurrection']," and "clothed upon" means to be "immediately changed into our 'immortal' bodies APART from having to DIE first" (as in the other/former)… "[in order] THAT mortality [applying ONLY to "still-living [i.e. mortal] persons" at the specific point in time that Paul is referring to] might be SWALLOWED UP OF LIFE".

"Clothed upon [G1902 - ependuomai / ependysasthai]" means "to have on over" with usages being: "I have on over (as a garment); mid: I put on myself in addition" (again, this particular phrase refers to the "still-living/mortals" at the point in time Paul is referring to). Elsewhere referred to as "we ["the Church which is His body" context] shall all be changed"... and "THIS mortal must put on [G1746] immortality [G110 - athanasian ]"

Huh, I haven’t til now, I found a couple one in genesis 18, though doesn’t quite say the three men that appeared was angels, and another in exodus but angels isn’t mentioned in those. In psalm 78 it appears there’s angel food, grain from heaven and not earth, could a human sit and eat earth grain while a angel eats heaven grain I don’t see why not.

EDIT (to add to my post): (the other aspect re: the DEAD in Christ: "THIS corruptible must put on incorruption")

Gen 19:1 (ESV) The two angels came to Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom. When Lot saw them, he rose to meet them and bowed himself with his face to the earth
2 and said, "My lords, please turn aside to your servant's house and spend the night and wash your feet. Then you may rise up early and go on your way." They said, "No; we will spend the night in the town square."
3 But he pressed them strongly; so they turned aside to him and entered his house. And he made them a feast and baked unleavened bread, and they ate.

Those are the same two angels who were at Abraham's place and ate with him. They ate with Lot too.

I have no problems with the scriptures you quoted and i have no problem believing that they talk about the imminence of the end times; a belief that i also hold, but connecting all that and dumping it in 70AD just because there was war and the temple was brought down can not be the correct understanding.

My understanding is that end times were imminent as at the time writing of those verses but end times is such a long period of time; thousands of years of which we are deep into.

Peter is comparing the passing away of the 1st world through flood and is saying the current world is also reserved for fire. Not sure if the fire would be physical but the main thing is that the flood was global (not in Jerusalem only) and so the fire reserved for the ungodly today, whether physical or not, shall be global (means every ungodly men will be affected), not just the ungodly in Jerusalem.

But you are mainly wrong about the 70AD events because it is the ungodly men (Romans) that dished the punishment to Godly men in Jerusalem. The disciples of Jesus were also affected.

Let us make man in our image...chew on that and follow delirium if you so choose....

I have to agree with mr. nehemiah6 here. He did answer your question with his general statement of if your position is true or has already taken place why are we still living in this "upholstered" cesspool" we call earth?

Now, you quoted in your op 1 John 2:18 but it's obvious you did not read the preceeding verses, verses 16-18, "For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes and the BOSASTFUL pride of lief is not from the Father, but is from the world. vs17, "And the world is passing away, and its lust; but one who does the will of God abides forever."

The point is the fact that the Apostle John just gave three examples of ATTITUDES that come out of the sphere of the world. First, illicit cravings, greedy cravings and the pride of life. I purposefully capitalized the word boastful because the term for pride that John uses is a very strong one. It carries the idea of boastful pretensions and BRAGGING beyond the limits of reality. As a side note, I'm being a littl political here because is this not what most if not all these Democratic hopefuls are doing? Coming up with promises that are not in the sphere of reality? I know I'm digressing but it's something I noticed when reading the text.

So now for the real point as it relates to vs17. We are not to love the world because this present world is temporary. In fact, the present tense of "passing away" shows that the world system had already begun the process of decay that would eventually lead to its "DISAPPEARANCE." The middle voice of the verb suggests that the world carries within it the seeds of its own destruction.

Have you seen any of these "lust" disappearing delirious? Of course not, if anything it's getting worse and worse. In contrast, the person who follows the will of God is aligned with something eternal. The way I see your position is sort of in line with what the Apostle Paul told Timothy at 2 Timothy 2:15-18, "Be diligent to present yourselves approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, handiing ACCURATELY the wordl of truth. vs16, But avoid worldy and empty chatter, for it will lead to further ungodliness. vs17, and their talk will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, (What did they say?) vs18, men who have gone astray from the truth saying that the resurrection has already taken place, and thus THEY UPSET THE FAITH OF SOME."

Finally, I don't have a "doctorate" in Theology or in the Greek or Hebrew language either? Please tell me how your going to "reconcile" your view with my opposing view? You closed with this statement: "
Jesus said not one jot or tittle could pass until everything was accomplished. This happened with the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple and the end of old covenant Israel. We have been living in the new heavens and earth (not a physical place) for 2,000 years. God bless you.

Are you serious? So were living (not physically) in the new heavens and earth why are we all still sinning? Or is it only in our imangination? Ugh!

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

The Bible have been so mis-interpreted for a long time and most of it is not our fault because it was God’s plan that we would be blinded from the truth for a period of time. Praise God that at his appointed time he will reveal the mysteries of his word unto us all so that there will be no doubts about his plans and purpose.

We are at the time of the end for sure and some of us are beginning to receive revelation of the truth. Because the kingdom of God is like unto leaven, those who are getting the truth will release it until all the true children of God receive the truth because it will become clear to all of us.

God bless

I agree they did, but I think at the dinner after the resurrection Tomas stuck his finger in the body from the cross. Not quite like when angels visited lot that was a different time and for others reasons

Are you stating that Jesus was only a spirit when we was among his disciples?

Noose, not sure who you mean by Godly men, but in 70AD, the believers escaped as they heeded Christ's warning when they saw the signs to flea to the mountains.

Never mind I read your response above.

The scriptural mention of 'fleeing to the mountains to escape the armies that surround Jerusalem' has a spiritual meaning and is not something that actually happened or will happen physically.
These are just stories that people have peddled based on their misunderstanding of those particular verses.

There's no point around Jerusalem, where fleeing men/women/children could access that Roman soldiers could not.

I do think it happened in real time in reality....this is why Jesus told them the signs.

According to the historical accounts they fled before Jerusalem was surrounded.
I would have to find the reference though.