The Mahdi is the Antichrist

Lanolin · Jul 1, 2019

Yes but muhammed did claim allah was God.
You are not really getting it. Millions of people who are muslim now believe that allah is God almighty and worship him as such.
Even catholics themselves do not really believe the pope is God almighty and I dont know of any record of the pope sending fire down from heaven, neither did muhammed, but people do claim he ascended to heaven on a flying horse, which is more than can be said for the pope.

What worldwide religion persecutes christians especially. Its islam. More so than catholicism. What worldwide religion sets up someone else as God. Not catholicsm, which while in error, acknowledges God as even above the pope. Its islam, even has its own 'holy book' the Koran. And many people believe that allah is the same God who created the universe.

Go talk to any muslim and they will say they believe in God. And they will asume that you are speaking of the same God as they are. But that they know Him better.

Jackson123 · Jul 1, 2019

GracethroughfaithinChrist said:

Yep apostasy in biblical context is Christian apostasy.

a·pos·ta·sy
/əˈpästəsē/
noun

the abandonment or renunciation of a religious or political belief.
"the execution of their leader for apostasy brought widespread criticism"
synonyms:renunciation of belief, abandonment of belief, recantation; More

Jackson123 · Jul 1, 2019

Lanolin said:

Yes but muhammed did claim allah was God.
You are not really getting it. Millions of people who are muslim now believe that allah is God almighty and worship him as such.
Even catholics themselves do not really believe the pope is God almighty and I dont know of any record of the pope sending fire down from heaven, neither did muhammed, but people do claim he ascended to heaven on a flying horse, which is more than can be said for the pope.

What worldwide religion persecutes christians especially. Its islam. More so than catholicism. What worldwide religion sets up someone else as God. Not catholicsm, which while in error, acknowledges God as even above the pope. Its islam, even has its own 'holy book' the Koran. And many people believe that allah is the same God who created the universe.

Go talk to any muslim and they will say they believe in God. And they will asume that you are speaking of the same God as they are. But that they know Him better.

Yep muslim believe Allah is God, but It not make mohammad is antichrist

One of the specification of the antichrist is went out from us, and mohammad not

Allah is also not went out from us, neither human, antichrist must human

Magenta · Jul 1, 2019

Lanolin said:

POPE CLAIMS TO BE GOD ON EARTH

"The Pope is of so great dignity, and so exalted that he is not a mere man, but as it were God. and the vicar of God."
Ferraris Ecclesiastical dictionary

"All names which in the Scriptures are applied to Christ, by virtue of which it is established that He is over the church, all the same names are applied to the Pope."
On the Authority of the Councils, book 2, chapter 17

"The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth."
Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, "Cities Petrus Bertanous".

"...the Pope is as it were God on earth, sole sovereign of the faithful of Christ, chief of kings, having plenitude of power."
Lucius Ferraris, in "Prompta Bibliotheca Canonica, Juridica, Moralis, Theologica, Ascetica, Polemica, Rubristica, Historica", Volume V, article on "Papa, Article II", titled "Concerning the extent of Papal dignity, authority, or dominion and infallibility", #1, 5, 13-15, 18, published in Petit-Montrouge (Paris) by J. P. Migne, 1858 edition.

"The Pope takes the place of Jesus Christ on earth...by divine right the Pope has supreme and full power in faith, in morals over each and every pastor and his flock. He is the true vicar, the head of the entire church, the father and teacher of all Christians. He is the infallible ruler, the founder of dogmas, the author of and the judge of councils; the universal ruler of truth, the arbiter of the world, the supreme judge of heaven and earth, the judge of all, being judged by no one, God himself on earth." Quoted in the New York Catechism.

These words are written in the Roman Canon Law 1685: "To believe that our Lord God the Pope has not the power to decree as he is decreed, is to be deemed heretical."

Father A. Pereira says: "It is quite certain that Popes have never approved or rejected this title 'Lord God the Pope,' for the passage in the gloss referred to appears in the edition of the Canon Law published in Rome in 1580 by Gregory XIII."

Writers on the Canon Law say, "The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in heaven and earth."
Barclay Cap. XXVII, p. 218. Cities Petrus Bertrandus, Pius V. - Cardinal Cusa supports his statement.

Pope Nicholas I declared: "the appellation of God had been confirmed by Constantine on the Pope, who, being God, cannot be judged by man."
Labb IX Dist.: 96 Can. 7, Satis evidentur, Decret Gratian Primer Para.

"The pope is of so great dignity and so exalted that he is not a mere man .... he is as it were God on earth, sole sovereign of the faithful of Christ, chief of kings, having plenitude of power." Lucius Ferraris, «Prompta Bibliotheca», 1763, Volume VI, 'Papa II', pp.25-29

"The supreme teacher in the Church is the Roman Pontiff. Union of minds, therefore, requires... complete submission and obedience of will to the Church and to the Roman Pontiff, as to God Himself."
Leo VIII, «On the Chief Duties of Christians as Citizens», Encyclical letter, 1890

"God separates those whom the Roman Pontiff, who exercises the functions, not of mere man, but of the true God...dissolves, not by human but rather by divine authority."
Decretals of Gregory IX», Book 1, Chapter 7.3

"Hence the Pope is crowned with a triple crown, as king of heaven and of earth and of the lower regions (infernorum)."
Lucius Ferraris, «Prompta Bibliotheca», 1763, Volume VI, 'Papa II', p.26)

"Innocent III has written: "Indeed, it is not top much to say that in view of the sublimity of their offices the priests are so many gods."
The dignity of the priesthood by Liguori p, 36

"The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, he is Jesus Christ himself, hidden under the veil of flesh."
Catholic National July 1895

"We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty"
Pope Leo XIII Encyclical Letter of June 20, 1894

"For thou art the shepherd, thou art the physician, thou art the director, thou art the husbandman, finally thou art another God on earth."
Labbe and Cossart's "History of the Councils." Vol. XIV, col. 109

Roman Catholic Canon Law stipulates through Pope Innocent III that the Roman pontiff is
"the vicegerent upon earth, not a mere man, but of a very God;" and in a gloss on the passage it is explained that this is because he is the vicegerent of Christ, who is "very God and very man." Decretales Domini Gregorii translatione Episcoporum, (on the transference of Bishops), title 7, chapter 3; Corpus Juris Canonice (2nd Leipzig ed., 1881), col. 99; (Paris, 1612), tom. 2, Devretales, col. 205

"The pope is the supreme judge of the law of the land... He is the vicegerent (replacement) of Christ, who is not only a Priest forever, but also King of kings and Lord of lords."
La Civilia Cattolica, March 18, 1871, quoted in Leonard Woosely Bacaon, An inside view of the Vatican Council (American Tract Society ed.), p.229

"Christ entrusted His office to the chief pontiff;... but all power in heaven and in earth has been given to Christ;... therefore the chief pontiff, who is His vicar, will have this power."
Corpus Juris chap. 1 column 29, translated from a gloss on the words Porro Subesse Romano Pontiff

"The pope is the supreme judge of the law of the land . . . He is the vicegerent of Christ, and is not only a priest forever, but also King of kings and Lord of lords"
La Civilta Cattolica, March 18, 1871.

"All the faithful must believe that the Holy Apostolic See and the Roman Pontiff [the Pope] possesses the primacy over the whole world, and the Roman Pontiff is the successor of blessed Peter, Prince of the Apostles, and is true vicar of Christ, and heed of the whole church, and father and teacher of all Christians; and that full power was given to him in blessed Peter to rule, feed, and govern the universal Church by Jesus Christ our Lord."
First Dogmatic Constitution on the Church of Christ, "Eternal Pastor," published in the fourth session of the Vatican Council, 1870, chap. 3, in Philip Schaff, Creeds of Christendom. vol. 2, p. 262.

“The Pope’s authority is unlimited, incalculable; it can strike, as Innocent III says, wherever sin is; it can punish every one; it allows no appeal and is itself Sovereign Caprice; for the Pope carries, according to the expression of Boniface VIII, all rights in the Shrine of his breast. As he has now become infallible, he can by the use of the little word, “orbi,” (which means that he turns himself round to the whole Church) make every rule, every doctrine, every demand, into a certain and incontestable article of Faith. No right can stand against him, no personal or corporate liberty; or as the [Roman Catholic] Canonists put it—“The tribunal of God and of the pope is one and the same.”
Ignaz von Dollinger, “A Letter Addressed to the Archbishop of Munich” 1871; as quoted in MacDougall,

"The Saviour Himself is the door of the sheepfold: 'I am the door of the sheep.' Into this fold of Jesus Christ, no man may enter unless he be led by the Sovereign Pontiff; and only if they be united to him can men be saved, for the Roman Pontiff is the Vicar of Christ and His personal representative on earth."
(Pope John XXIII in his homily to the Bishops and faithful assisting at his coronation on November 4, 1958).

"This is our last lesson to you: receive it, engrave it in your minds, all of you: by God's commandment salvation is to be found nowhere but in the Church; the strong and effective instrument of salvation is none other than the Roman Pontificate."
(Pope Leo XIII, Allocution for the 25th anniversary of his election, February 20, 1903; Papal Teachings: The Church, Benedictine Monks of Solesmes, St. Paul Editions, Boston, 1962, page 653).

"Furthermore, in this one Church of Christ no man can be or remain who does not accept, recognize and obey the authority and supremacy of Peter and his legitimate successors."
(Pope Pius XI, Encyclical, Mortalium animos, January 6, 1928, The Papal Encyclicals, Claudia Carlen, I.H.M., McGrath Publishing Co., 1981, pp. 317, 318).

"We define that the Holy Apostolic See (the Vatican) and the Roman Pontiff hold the primacy over the whole world."
A Decree of the Council of Trent, quoted in Philippe Labbe and Gabriel Cossart, "The Most Holy Councils," col. 1167. source

eternally-gratefull · Jul 1, 2019

Jackson123 said:

Mohommad and Allah deny Jesus is the christ. This by definition they are anti-christ. As in anyone else who denies them no matter what religion they belong to.

Robertt · Jul 1, 2019

The Pope was never one of us either. So if the antichrist is to come from within us then it is going to be someone else.

But many believe the roman catholic church is the whore of Babylon and many scriptures align with this.

My gut feel is that the antichrist is within the church right now, teaching false doctrine and causing many to believe in false things. There will be a great falling away from Christ. the people falling away don't think they falling away, they think the rest of us are the ones who are wrong,

Only need to look through these forums to see so much division , people posting opposing views. If we not of one mind then some of us are in the wrong. Christ body should not be so divided.

For we are all but sheep and we look for the Shepherd . Hopefully we follow the Real Shepherd not the False one

dcontroversal · Jul 1, 2019

eternally-gratefull said:

It is obvious that the verbiage changes mid way through that description to one who is not Antiochus, which was the forerunner or type......the LAST HALF obviously applies to the beast

dcontroversal · Jul 1, 2019

The word apostasy means to stand off from and point the finger accusing.....it is coincidal with the rise of the beast.....the word AND connects BOTH CLAUSES.....

except there come a apo-hystamie first AND THAT man of sin BE REVEALED THE Son of Perdition

Note the "that and the" in that verse

They are one event tied together.......

Magenta · Jul 1, 2019

eternally-gratefull said:

1 John 2:18
Children, it is the last hour; and just as you have heard that the antichrist is coming,
so now many antichrists have appeared. This is how we know it is the last hour.

1 John 2:22
Who is the liar, if it is not the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ?
This is the antichrist, who denies the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3
but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit
of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

2 John 1:7
For many deceivers have gone out into the world, refusing to confess the coming
of Jesus Christ in the flesh. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.

selfdissolving · Jul 1, 2019

The Antichrist will be the Mahdi, Maitreya Buddha, numerous Hindu avatars (including Shiva the Destroyer), the False Messiah of the Jews, the light of Venus, for the Luciferians he is "he who is to come".

The Antichrist will claim to be the deliverer of mankind from evil forces. He will become the central figurehead and false god of the religious pluralist New World Order.

He's the False Christ of the "we all worship the same God" doctrine.

So yeah he's the Mahdi lol

Jackson123 · Jul 1, 2019

eternally-gratefull said:

John say antichrist went out from us

Mohammad not went out from us.

Hindi, Buddhist is not save but not antichrist

UnderGrace · Jul 1, 2019

Jackson123 said:

Jackson, the term "antichrist" is used in different ways....John is using the term to refer to false teachers.

dcontroversal · Jul 1, 2019

selfdissolving said:

At the end of the day he will be "god" to all that have been deluded by God becasue they would not receive the love of the truth........I do believe he comes out of Islam though.....I used to believe the same old addage about him coming out of Rome and even dogmatically defended it.....my view is the Beast comes out of Islam and the False Prophet is the Pope of a united Roman Catholic/Greek Orthodox/Pseudo Christian unification....

dcontroversal · Jul 1, 2019

UnderGrace said:

I have engaged that view a few times and he refuses to acknowledge the truth......oh well

UnderGrace · Jul 1, 2019

eternally-gratefull said:

That is speaking of antiochus epiphanies my friend. He commited the abomination of desolation by entering the holy place and slaughtering a pig. This caused an uproar among the jews, and the result was the macabean revolt. It is there in the history books.

This little horn is the type of the one who is to come in the last days. WHo will do the same thing. Only his act will nto cause a revolt. It will begin the time of trouble which this world has never seen before. Or will after.

Agree

dcontroversal · Jul 1, 2019

UnderGrace said:

If you both think Daniel 11:36-45 is about Antiochus there is no discussion taking place and or being open to truth.

The word AND connects chapter 12 to the verses in question.....and it is not about Antiochus!

UnderGrace · Jul 1, 2019

dcontroversal said:

Yes, I know, you have told me many times I am ignorant. I am used to it.

dcontroversal · Jul 1, 2019

UnderGrace said:

Never said you was ignorant........please do not put words in my mouth

selfdissolving · Jul 1, 2019

dcontroversal said:

Check out the rise of religious pluralism in Western Society. (in Eastern Society it's already pretty common). Especially in light of the words of Jesus Christ,

John 14:6
6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

If Jesus is the only way to the only true God, then all those other religions are a lie. And if Satan is the father of lies, then he is the god of all those other religions too.

You will continue to see religious pluralism pushed more and more into the public sphere by the kings of the earth, because it is the cleverly masked doctrine of Luciferianism. Things like this are the reason Satan is called, "He who deceives the whole world".

Everybody who isn't saved already worships Satan!! If it's not through one of the false gods listed above, it's through an object! Idols such as sex, money, drugs etc.

And this is why everyone who's not saved will take the mark of the beast. They will ALL be deceived into worshiping Antichrist because they do not have the Holy Spirit which testifies that Jesus is the Christ.

You know what i'm saying man?

dcontroversal · Jul 1, 2019

selfdissolving said:

I see it all around me and the last three popes have bowed to and kissed the Koran which is very symbolic of Rome being placed under Islam....and the current poop is seeking to unify all three monotheistic religions under one banner....including a reunification of the Western and Eastern branches if Catholicism.....including the fringe so called Christian religions......it is coming and coming fast

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