The Mahdi is the Antichrist

[dcontroversal]

I know it does but you need to take the whole Bible and the Prophecies in it not just one verse from the NT. The whole unbelieving world will follow the Beast but the headquarters of the Beast is in Jerusalem not Vatican City, Mecca or Washington Its there that abomination of desolation is set up and its there where the attention of the world will be. I would think that this subject had been done to death on this site without having to spell it out.

Bro...if you think I actually base my beliefs on 1 verse then we have nothing to talk about.....I have never denied that he will PLANT HIS TABERNACLE BETWEEN THE SEAS and there he will come to his end....It is hilariously sad that when people disagree on a particular subject that the "you don't study or you base your beliefs on one verse" crap comes out like accusations in Judge Judy's dime store court on T.V........!

 

[garee]

I know the beast is a man

Now we talking about antichrist and OT believe from islam, but I don't, I believe what apostle John say in 1 John 2 verse 18-19

18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming,even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.


Apostle John say, antichrist went out from us/christian

Mathew 16 provides a clear picture of how the antichrist works in the affairs of men using Peter as the beast, man of sin, to take away the gospel and make it after man

Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

The antichrists plural are simply any man that not obey the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

The anti-christ's (plural) are those led by the spirit of the anti-christ Satan. The motive of the father of lies, the antichrist is to install a fleshy teacher as a infallible umpire called a daysman in Job, set between God not seen, and man seen the temporal with the approval of both

We can se that when Satan the spirit of the antichrist put his thoughts on the mind of Peter preventing the work of the gospel.

1 John help us to make the doctrine of the antichrists clear.

These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him1 John 2:26-27

 

[garee]

Bro...if you think I actually base my beliefs on 1 verse then we have nothing to talk about.....I have never denied that he will PLANT HIS TABERNACLE BETWEEN THE SEAS and there he will come to his end....It is hilariously sad that when people disagree on a particular subject that the "you don't study or you base your beliefs on one verse" crap comes out like accusations in Judge Judy's dime store court on T.V........!

Judge Judy's dime store court on T.V.... Sharp tongue there Sonny. Do you beat everyone up or just old men?….. Is that a way to talk to a fellow believers? slow down a little its easy to get caught up .

The anti christ has nothing to do with the flesh of nations. It is simply the spirit of error working in the affairs of men trying to make that which is written. . . without effect .

Christians do not wrestle against flesh and neither are they supported by and through it . Its the antichrists that do .They have no faith as it is written. Its why they desire to build replacement temples and sew up the 70 ft veil that marked the end of that time period used as a parable .(its finished)

From my experiences most Christian avoid talking about the reformation and how it turned the world upside down and continues to.

The Jews that were trusting their flesh would profit for something became under great tribulation of "Jacob' a word used to represent natural unconverted mankind. A trouble that continues like never before or again .Many today still believe their Jewish flesh would count or profit for something. This is even though Jesus said of his own it profits for zero and we do not know him after it to begin with . .

Study the results of the reformation.

When the reformation came the use of the Jewish flesh in prophecy had come to a end just like the use of animal flesh or building used as metaphors .

When the veil was rent it signaled the end the one time demonstration of a unseen work and the glory that did follow. . . the first resurrection. . The period of time before when there were kings in Israel has come to halt . Cut off to use of flesh .

We are the temple of God. There will be no more types and shadows placed in the Holy unseen place of God.

I am surprised that many would try and commit the abomination of desecration The one time demonstration of the things not seen is over. Its all about timing.

Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.1 Peter 1;11

The Holy Ghost this signifying, (using signs as shadow) that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:Which was a figure (parable) for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

 

[Jackson123]

Mathew 16 provides a clear picture of how the antichrist works in the affairs of men using Peter as the beast, man of sin, to take away the gospel and make it after man

Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

The antichrists plural are simply any man that not obey the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

The anti-christ's (plural) are those led by the spirit of the anti-christ Satan. The motive of the father of lies, the antichrist is to install a fleshy teacher as a infallible umpire called a daysman in Job, set between God not seen, and man seen the temporal with the approval of both

We can se that when Satan the spirit of the antichrist put his thoughts on the mind of Peter preventing the work of the gospel.

1 John help us to make the doctrine of the antichrists clear.

These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him1 John 2:26-27

In your definition of antichrist plural, than most people is antichrist, you say Apostle peter is the antichrist plural how about us, we always make mistake and sin.

 

[garee]

In your definition of antichrist plural, than most people is antichrist, you say Apostle peter is the antichrist plural how about us, we always make mistake and sin.

Peter was forgiven of his blasphemy in respect the Son of man seen .Christ reinstated him seeing he could not deny he has made full payment for Peter's sin.

Christian's act foolish when denying Christ by saying there is no God in there heart when they sin. They can fall into the same error as Peter seduced by the father of lies using mankind a instrument that denies Christ as our anointing teacher. Insisting that men must be taught by those seen(walking by sight) which is the Motive of operation of the antichrists the man of sin.

They have no assurance of salvation only a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Hebrew10:26-27

 

[Jackson123]

Peter was forgiven of his blasphemy in respect the Son of man seen .Christ reinstated him seeing he could not deny he has made full payment for Peter's sin.

Christian's act foolish when denying Christ by saying there is no God in there heart when they sin. They can fall into the same error as Peter seduced by the father of lies using mankind a instrument that denies Christ as our anointing teacher. Insisting that men must be taught by those seen(walking by sight) which is the Motive of operation of the antichrists the man of sin.

They have no assurance of salvation only a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Hebrew10:26-27

Can you show me a verse that say Peter was antichrist?

 

[Lanolin]

1 John 2

Is John referring to brothers meaning disicples or brothers in general eg going right back to Isaac and Ishmael, Jacob and Esau, or the twelve sons of Jacob. If he meant brothers in general well Islam did stem from the divide between Jacob and Esau, both sons of Isaac and Isaac and Ishmael both sons of .abraham, and brothers, though only Isaac was the true heir.

 

[Jackson123]

1 John 2

Is John referring to brothers meaning disicples or brothers in general eg going right back to Isaac and Ishmael, Jacob and Esau, or the twelve sons of Jacob. If he meant brothers in general well Islam did stem from the divide between Jacob and Esau, both sons of Isaac and Isaac and Ishmael both sons of .abraham, and brothers, though only Isaac was the true heir.

John say

18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming,even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.

Verse 18 start with this is the last hour

Last hour mean end time, the implication from These verse is

One f the sign of the end time is the antichrist start coming

Isaac and Ismael life long before end time, so John not talk about ismael

John say AC went out from us
Who is us

Say I am talk to my church

The president Will visit us

Because I talk to my churc, us in this sentence mean member of my church

John talk to Christian

AC went out from us

So us in this verse mean Christian, No matter If they jews or gentile as long as Christian, not islam

 

[Jackson123]

Mathew 16 provides a clear picture of how the antichrist works in the affairs of men using Peter as the beast, man of sin, to take away the gospel and make it after man

Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

The antichrists plural are simply any man that not obey the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

The anti-christ's (plural) are those led by the spirit of the anti-christ Satan. The motive of the father of lies, the antichrist is to install a fleshy teacher as a infallible umpire called a daysman in Job, set between God not seen, and man seen the temporal with the approval of both

We can se that when Satan the spirit of the antichrist put his thoughts on the mind of Peter preventing the work of the gospel.

1 John help us to make the doctrine of the antichrists clear.

These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him1 John 2:26-27

Not every sinner are AC

For Example King David commit adultery with betsheba, Yes It is sin, but It doesn't mean King David is antichrist

AC is specific sin, he want to be God.

For Example pope. Some pope claim to be God

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

Not every sinner are AC

For Example King David commit adultery with betsheba, Yes It is sin, but It doesn't mean King David is antichrist

AC is specific sin, he want to be God.

For Example pope. Some pope claim to be God

I agree,
The notion that the man of sin (lawlessness) comes out of Judaism or Islam is ridiculous.

2 Thessalonians clearly states the man of sin would come out of Christian apostasy (apostasia) and Daniel points to the Roman empire as it's source.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-7 (BLB)
No one should deceive you in any way, because it is not until the apostasy shall have come first, and the man of lawlessness shall have been revealed—the son of destruction, 4the one opposing and exalting himself above every so-called god or object of worship—so as for him to sit down in the temple of God, setting forth that he himself is God.

The blasphemous title of Vicar of Christ, and the absurd concept of Papal supremacy identifies the Pope as the man of sin (lawlessness).

The Imperial laws and letters involving religion, from 311-431 shows the Bishop of Rome using the power of the Roman government to destroy real Christianity, and set Roman Catholicism in it's place.

 

[Deade]

I agree,
The notion that the man of sin (lawlessness) comes out of Judaism or Islam is ridiculous.

2 Thessalonians clearly states the man of sin would come out of Christian apostasy (apostasia) and Daniel points to the Roman empire as it's source.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-7 (BLB)
No one should deceive you in any way, because it is not until the apostasy shall have come first, and the man of lawlessness shall have been revealed—the son of destruction, 4the one opposing and exalting himself above every so-called god or object of worship—so as for him to sit down in the temple of God, setting forth that he himself is God.

The blasphemous title of Vicar of Christ, and the absurd concept of Papal supremacy identifies the Pope as the man of sin (lawlessness).

The Imperial laws and letters involving religion, from 311-431 shows the Bishop of Rome using the power of the Roman government to destroy real Christianity, and set Roman Catholicism in it's place.

Don't forget Papal Infallibility claiming we can't contradict the pope on Bible interpretation. He thinks he is God on earth in place of Christ. I don't see how they think antichrist can purport anything but Christianity.

 

[Jackson123]

I agree,
The notion that the man of sin (lawlessness) comes out of Judaism or Islam is ridiculous.

2 Thessalonians clearly states the man of sin would come out of Christian apostasy (apostasia) and Daniel points to the Roman empire as it's source.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-7 (BLB)
No one should deceive you in any way, because it is not until the apostasy shall have come first, and the man of lawlessness shall have been revealed—the son of destruction, 4the one opposing and exalting himself above every so-called god or object of worship—so as for him to sit down in the temple of God, setting forth that he himself is God.

The blasphemous title of Vicar of Christ, and the absurd concept of Papal supremacy identifies the Pope as the man of sin (lawlessness).

The Imperial laws and letters involving religion, from 311-431 shows the Bishop of Rome using the power of the Roman government to destroy real Christianity, and set Roman Catholicism in it's place.

Yep, I listen to the video and make me more convince that pope is the antichrist.

From the distance look like catholic accept Jesus as a God.

Jesus in the binle is the only savior, but catholic believe salvation is under pontif

Though not state to denied Jesus but by saying salvation under pontif mean denied jesus

This is more danger than state clearly to denied jesus

 

[Lanolin]

Oh ok, then why are people saying Mahdi is antichrist, am I missing something here.
If its the pope, then why are people saying its the Mahdi. If its the pope, then do the islamists want the pope to be their next mahdi?

 

[garee]

Not every sinner are AC

For Example King David commit adultery with betsheba, Yes It is sin, but It doesn't mean King David is antichrist

AC is specific sin, he want to be God.

For Example pope. Some pope claim to be God

The Pope is one after the order of Peter in Mathew 16 . Peter repented the Pope does not seeing no need to .He remains example of what the Bible called a daysman describing the wiles of the antichrist.

The antichrist as a false Christ is Satan he did desire to be like God but he needs a body of antichrists to carry out his desire as the god of this world. They went out from us because they were not part of Christianity .

A person like Peter performed the will as the work of a antichrist. .Jesus said to Peter get behind him.

King David was a sinner also when he acted as a antichrist inticed by the devil and numbered the people he was forgiven. A antichrist is any person that denies Christ, the one anointing teacher .

Cain I would say was the first recorded antichrist as the murderer from the beginning.. He did not repent. because the Spirit of Christ did not dwell in him.

 

[garee]

The man of sin (lawlessness ones) does not get under the law of God but remains unconverted under the law of men as the doctrines of men, as oral tradition thereof.

I would think just as we should be careful when discussing spiritual matters. We could be entertaining a angel as a messenger of God (brother and sister in the Lord) even on these board where the word of God does its work . The same applies to antichrists that went out from us. They as lawlessness ones never were a part to begin . We could have a message for them if God is in it.

Some perish having heard the law (gospel) they went out from us. Others that have not heard the gospel they perish also as lawless ones

Romans 2:12For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

Believer will not come in judgement as condemnation .They are the graced ones that have the perfect law of God

 

[garee]

Don't forget Papal Infallibility claiming we can't contradict the pope on Bible interpretation. He thinks he is God on earth in place of Christ. I don't see how they think antichrist can purport anything but Christianity.

I would offer keeping in mind the antichrist has neither the Father nor the Son .Its both or nothing. The father and Son working together in perfect harmony and mutual submission to establish the government of God that brings His peace surpassing our understanding.

Papal Infallibility is defined in the word "Daysman". A word that means; a fleshly umpire as man (seen) to stand in between God not seen and man seen .Having the approval of both. . . as one who infallibly interprets the word of God.

It is used once in Job 9. The Holy Spirit in that chapter brings us this information right after using the whole chapter as a lesson of rightly dividing, His way from our ways. His ways are not our ways. His Spirit as the Way. . . is life no familiarity with the eternal .The things of men offend Him according to Mathew 16:22-23. He it would seem desire we have that understanding found in Job so that we can seek his approval according to the loving commandment to study (2 timthouty 2:15). .I always think what a great blessing God can give us a desire by which we can seek His approval. He has not left us as orphans. Like Jesus, the Son of man our perfect example. . . our food is to do the will of father not seen and finish it as he works with us in us. Its the kind of food all things written in the law and the prophets (soal scriptura) the antichrists knows not of.

This is where the Spirit of Christ is informing us . . He is not a man as us and neither is there fleshly mediator as a daysman or you could say the Pope, one of possibly other antichrists as those that have another christ as the anointing teacher . If they say you must hear m me rather that the unseen Holy Spirit . . . time to walk. by faith. After the approved one manner our father in heaven as in give us this day the bread of your will .

For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment. Neither is there any "daysman betwixt us", that might lay his hand upon us both. Job 9:32-33

Jesus the Son of man refused to stand in the Holy Place of the Faith defniing the word "good" to represent the unseen .

Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.


The same kind of tool for rightly dividing between the things of God not seen and those of men seen, used to give glory to the unseen eternal place of our Father as found in John 6

It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father. John 6 :45-46

 

[Jackson123]

Oh ok, then why are people saying Mahdi is antichrist, am I missing something here.
If its the pope, then why are people esaying its the Mahdi. If its the pope, then do the islamists want the pope to be their next mahdi?

Mandi is islam prophecy I do not believe their prophecy.

But It doesn't matter islam want or not. We want or not, the antichrist Will rule the world for 7 years because It is what the bible say

 

[garee]

Mandi is islam prophecy I do not believe their prophecy.

But It doesn't matter islam want or not. We want or not, the antichrist Will rule the world for 7 years because It is what the bible say

Neither nation had or was born with the faith that alone comes from hearing God as the hearing of His faithfulness that works in us who do believe. as those who have been given the understanding to walk in the ways of God, whose Spirit worked in a persons new heart.. . God not a man as us.

Why make it about what the eye see?

Having it as if it was of the things of men.(flesh and blood) Rather as natural man they warred after flesh and blood. out of sight out of mind as natural man. That battle is between the kingdoms of this world will continue right up till the end. The gospel of faith is the key, not the flesh of men. Can't put a fleshly face on a labor of Love or work of Christ's faith .God remains unseen .

We as a kingdom of priests from all fleshly nations are to know no man after the things seen, the flesh . Some having known Christ after what the eyes see we are informed never again.(2 Corinthians 5:16) God is not a man as us . His ways are not our ways

Our father in heaven not seen does the inclining of our new born again hearts, giving us ears to hear what the gospel that we might understand his way as His anointing Spirit preaches to the churches.

1 Kings 8:58That he may incline our hearts unto him, to walk in all his ways, and to keep his commandments, and his statutes, and his judgments, which he commanded our fathers.

 

[Lanolin]

Mandi is islam prophecy I do not believe their prophecy.

But It doesn't matter islam want or not. We want or not, the antichrist Will rule the world for 7 years because It is what the bible say

But isnt the whole of islam antichrist anyway. They behead anyone who doesnt believe in allah in countries where there is sharia law. They claim that Jesus did not even rise from the dead. That is worse than catholicism, who at least testify or believe that Jesus came in the flesh. Well I think islam is worse.
Popes have already ruled much of the world back in the day, there were emporors who became popes.
The thing is in Israel they are surrounded by islamic countries. Not catholic countries.

 

[Jackson123]

But isnt the whole of islam antichrist anyway. They behead anyone who doesnt believe in allah in countries where there is sharia law. They claim that Jesus did not even rise from the dead. That is worse than catholicism, who at least testify or believe that Jesus came in the flesh. Well I think islam is worse.
Popes have already ruled much of the world back in the day, there were emporors who became popes.
The thing is in Israel they are surrounded by islamic countries. Not catholic countries.

Not every sin is antichrist.

There is specification of antichrist , and that is in the bible.

1 went out from us but not one of us

Islam not under this specification.

2. Claim to be god (rev 13)

Pope fit in this specification, I am not aware If islam leader claim to be God, so islam not under this specification
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