Born Again Speaking in Tongues

Sister

I agree with you that baptism in water should be part of our life in the Spirit. I agree that it should be declared as in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ to us English speaking people.

But, if this understanding isn’t received by all, yet the hearts of those who believe baptism in water is done in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and we both are born from above, then the hearts are united in Spirit and we are one in His body.

To take a stance that one is error and would cause a difference in our salvation, is to make water baptism law. That ended with John. Now, it’s the heart. And the circumcised heart of flesh. Here is our purification and this is achieved through precious blood. The blood and body of Jesus is life giving. There’s no disease in His blood, only life. And we see that the atonement is what gives freedom or remission from our sin nature and the actions of it. The Cross alone sister puts it to death.

The serpent on the pole of the OT shows this is revelation truth. The serpents head has been crushed and we are released from that dominion.

So what ritual is really important? Would it not be communion? Communion makes us one in and with Jesus, and with one another.

If we make water baptism law, then the truth would be we all must be baptized in the Jordan river and in the name of Yeshua ha Messhiah.

Doctrines divide. The circumcised heart and the body of Christ (anointing) makes us one. Blood sets us free, and we walk in His resurrection life. Another revelation truth. 😍

Unbelief (no faith) of what and who?. Your understanding? The faith of God? Or the faith of a unknown wonderment of experience?

The Son of man, Jesus in Mathew 4 did not give into mysticism . With every new experience of what some call out of the body or near death, unknow tongue or falling backward.. as a wonderment. The Father not seen would give Jesus words to say. . . . as it is written . Three time to s denote the end of the matter. The it in regard to as it is written it which represents the unseen it is our interpreting power that we have in us. ? It easy when yoked remember he also beings to our minds the things he has taught us. He is not finished with us yet

2 Corinthians 4:7But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

Some are so desperate to make paul preach repentance from baptism. They fail to realise

1. Everytime Paul gave th egospel wherever he went in the book of Acts, He never mentioned baptism as a means of salvation.
2. In NONE of his epistles. When he speaks of how one has been granted salvation did he mention baptism as a means.

This persons example and proof is offset by the facts that paul never once taught immersion by baptism (in water) (Paul did however, mention baptism of the spirit in quite a few of his writings.

Faith comes by hearing, Not by being baptised

Salvation comes by Faith, Not by works

Baptism is no where to be found in the equation. Your trying to replace the baptism of God with the baptism of men, thats blasphemy!

No you don’t

You chose to believe the few you have twisted and distorted out of context. And reject the rest.

Yep. In many areas. Not just one

And they were saved the moment they had faith, All the works FOLLOW salvation, not precede it.

Believe what you want,

But you do not believe in Gods word. Period.

If your not baptised in the spirit. Your dead, and not saved sis.

You can not be granted remission of sin apart from being baptized by God into his death, burial body and cross.

Until then, Your dead in your sin.

The ANOINTING of the spirit (the HS coming inside us, just as he came on Christ at his baptism) as a symbol of what happens to us when we are spiritually baptized into him, is what gives us the power to walk.

If water baptism could clean a person from their sin

Jesus wasted his time going to the cross.

Think on that..

Yes it does

Believe in the name of jesus and you will be saved, the promise is to you and your household

Believe in your heart and call out his name, and you will be saved.

Believe in the name of Jesus christ, and you will have eternal life

Eat the bread which was sent from heaven, and you will never die, lve forever, have eternal life, and be raised on he last day.

The bible is clear. All through the NT how one is saved.

I mean when you think about it, it really IS a false Gospel!

IMPOSSIBLE to get past THIS with the double Salvation stuff being promoted here:

Romans 8:9 New King James Version (NKJV)
9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone DOES NOT have the Spirit of Christ, he is NOT His.

Only if your born again, If your not saved, God will give you nothing until you repent and give it all to him. The phaarisees refused to do this, because they wanted their religious deeds to account for salvation.

You are no different than they are.

Scripture is clear..

People are too focused on doctrines, not the word.. And they can not see past what they have been taught, it is sad. Even sadder, than they will be held responsive for what they believe, not what they were taught, although the men will have be held accountable in a greater way, they will also. Because they refused to test.

Yes as new creatures we are His bride . He is our Spirit as source of all life typified as our husband Christ. . The creation could never become the Faithful Creator. The Holy Spirt has no beginning or end. God is not a man as us. We are united by His spirit not us. the flesh profits for nothing.

The Bible speak of another ceremonial foundation found in the Old testament having to do with the priesthood of believers .Ceremonies are used to reveal the unseen work of the suffering of Christ beforehand and the glory that did follow. The graves were opened, opening the gate of the first ressurection of believers .

we must look to the foundation of the doctrines of God. Which one is the good ground foundation of the doctrine. Like David mentioned in Psalm" what can the believer do if the foundation of the doctrine are destroyed. How could His word reveal His gospel without the foundation ?

Can't serve two infallible masters. It either done in the name or power of authority in respect to God not seen the eternal One or water seen the temporal.

Which one foundation serves as the interpretation master. . . the things of men seen, or that of God not seen?

I say water as that seen the temporal serve the things seen not the eternal

WWJD What would Jesus do as the Son of man? Serve the flesh he said does not profit?

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

It's amazing how such doctrines can truly mess up a genuine believers walk.
I fell foul of the above.

I used to go to an Anglican Church.
I wanted to be baptised, this denomination does it be sprinkling on the head.
Before they did that that you have to say out loud why.
They asked you questions and you answered.

This was my confession.

Romans 10:9-13
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

A few years later I ended up in a Baptist Church.
That was the first time I heard tongues and to be honest it frightened me and I thought it was evil.

You don't hear tongues in an Anglican Church.

With regards baptism I was asked if I was. I said yes.
When they asked by immersion I said no.
Then I was told that was not baptism and I need to be fully immersed.
They did not say that I was not saved because I had not been.
But the fact is for me it negated my confession of faith that I had made.
The irony is that I had to make the same confession with full immersion as with a sprinkling.

That really messed with my mind, my first confession was irrelevant and therefore by inference I was not saved.

I went to a big Christian gathering of a few thousand people with this church.
I was struggling at the time.
I went forward for prayer.

The first question was "Do you speak in tongues?
I said no I do not.
I was then told "That's evidence you are not saved, and why you are struggling would you like to pray in tongues?

I said how can I do this.
They gave me the following to say (and this is true)

"She will come on a Honda"
Say it slowly and then start to speed it up.
Then they walked away, practice it at home then your mind will get used to it then you will get real tongues.

Boy did that cause me an issue for many many years.

For me with regards to tongues and baptism.

Neither save a person.

It's confession and belief that save and wanting to be like Jesus.
The remission of sins comes through the death and resurrection of Jesus and being United with him through the Holy Spirit.

Therefore I always encourage people who come to Jesus to be baptised.
The problem is that the church puts lots of pressure on people who want to be baptized that causes them to shrink back.

With regards to tongues.
Well I don't speak in tongues. I don't get it.
Is it relevant for today?

I have to be honest and say yes I think it is.
I don't speak in tongues yet my wife does.
She speaks tongues when we are praying for others, prays in tongues in church underneath her breath.

It's a gift, it's one that I do not have.
It's not a right of passage for evidence of salvation or a means to salvation.
I have gifts that I seek after and have.

Did Jesus ever speak in tongues?
Was he baptised to be saved?

It's amazing how such doctrines can truly mess up a genuine believers walk.
I fell foul of the above.

I used to go to an Anglican Church.
I wanted to be baptised, this denomination does it be sprinkling on the head.
Before they did that that you have to say out loud why.
They asked you questions and you answered.

This was my confession.

Romans 10:9-13
9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”

A few years later I ended up in a Baptist Church.
That was the first time I heard tongues and to be honest it frightened me and I thought it was evil.

You don't hear tongues in an Anglican Church.

With regards baptism I was asked if I was. I said yes.
When they asked by immersion I said no.
Then I was told that was not baptism and I need to be fully immersed.
They did not say that I was not saved because I had not been.
But the fact is for me it negated my confession of faith that I had made.
The irony is that I had to make the same confession with full immersion as with a sprinkling.

That really messed with my mind, my first confession was irrelevant and therefore by inference I was not saved.

I went to a big Christian gathering of a few thousand people with this church.
I was struggling at the time.
I went forward for prayer.

The first question was "Do you speak in tongues?
I said no I do not.
I was then told "That's evidence you are not saved, and why you are struggling would you like to pray in tongues?

I said how can I do this.
They gave me the following to say (and this is true)

"She will come on a Honda"
Say it slowly and then start to speed it up.
Then they walked away, practice it at home then your mind will get used to it then you will get real tongues.

Boy did that cause me an issue for many many years.

For me with regards to tongues and baptism.

Neither save a person.

It's confession and belief that save and wanting to be like Jesus.
The remission of sins comes through the death and resurrection of Jesus and being United with him through the Holy Spirit.

Therefore I always encourage people who come to Jesus to be baptised.
The problem is that the church puts lots of pressure on people who want to be baptized that causes them to shrink back.

With regards to tongues.
Well I don't speak in tongues. I don't get it.
Is it relevant for today?

I have to be honest and say yes I think it is.
I don't speak in tongues yet my wife does.
She speaks tongues when we are praying for others, prays in tongues in church underneath her breath.

It's a gift, it's one that I do not have.
It's not a right of passage for evidence of salvation or a means to salvation.
I have gifts that I seek after and have.

Did Jesus ever speak in tongues?
Was he baptised to be saved?

Waggles,

Hi.

Why the sad face and the red x

Not angry or upset
Just asking.

Bill.

Not sure why my post was double posted.

Sorry about that.