Born Again Speaking in Tongues

Actually he gave us one Its called the word of God. The only testable source which can be confirmed, because it is inspired.


Just because he can does not mean he does.

And again, If you can not verify it by a source which is completely trustworthy, You have no idea if it is from God. Satan or some mans idea. Which sadly, we have in far to many churches things being said in the name of God, which God did not say. And if people would just look to the word. They would see this is true.


I responded to waggles I believe about prophesy in church services. Where I asked why God needed to give us words not found in scripure.

Our conversation started with your response to that response to waggles.

So, if a message is given regarding a specific direction in a specific context, and the subject is not addressed in Scripture, are we left to our own wits? No. Scripture provides guidance, not necessarily specific direction. There is a framework for consideration, but not a simple "Yes, this is what x verse says." Further, there are areas where God may speak that are completely distinct from Scripture; in these cases, the fruit bears witness as to whether it is of God.

Nor that He doesn't. That logic works both ways.

eternally-gratefull said:

And again, If you can not verify it by a source which is completely trustworthy, You have no idea if it is from God. Satan or some mans idea. Which sadly, we have in far to many churches things being said in the name of God, which God did not say. And if people would just look to the word. They would see this is true. .

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There are too many areas that simply aren't addressed in Scripture. Should the Church spend on a local outreach program, or on hiring a teaching pastor?

eternally-gratefull said:

I responded to waggles I believe about prophesy in church services. Where I asked why God needed to give us words not found in scripure.

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Fair enough, but I don't consider that a constraint. If you prefer to address only that topic, you are free to do so.[/QUOTE]

Either learn what the term, "circular reasoning" actually means, and use it correctly, or stop using it. What you're doing is stubborn and willfully ignorant.

Prophesy is one of the spiritual gifts that God utilizes in His personal relationship with His children. The operation of prophecy in a church setting or otherwise can be used to lead, guide, and/or confirm God's will specific to a church or an individual's ministry, etc.

This concept is seen in Paul's letter to Timothy:
"Neglect not the gift that is in thee, which was given thee by prophecy, with the laying on of the hands of the presbytery." 1 Tim 4:14

We must Not grieve nor quench the Holy Spirit!

To say that god tells people things that can not be confirmed in one way or another by his word means

1 his word is incomplete
2 he leaves no means of testing each spirit to see if it is from god or not

The Bible says it is fully complete fully able to make a man complete in god

Either you believe it or you set your self up for possible demon influenced nonsense which you have no way to confirm or deny because you have taken the only thing god has given you which can be trusted and set it aside

No man should be trusted. That’s why it is essential to take the one perfect thing god gave you to
Confirm or deny what any man tells you is from god or not. Be it through prophesy or tongues or whatever

Your walking on dangerous ground

This is my view and like I said not worth being divided I’ve this is not a Slavic issues

What goes up as a law . . . must come down. . . . . . . spinning wheels as a law spin round and round. Did you ever ride a painted pony from one end of the circuit to the other?

Either learn what the term, "circular (circuitry) reasoning", actually means, and use it correctly, or stop using it. What you're doing is stubborn and willfully ignorant.

Psalm 19:6-8 King James Version (KJV)His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof. The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple. The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes.

The circle cannot be broken. No philosophical theories allows.

Where can we find the foundation of this tongues prophecy as to a sign that confirms something? Failing backward must mean something other than loss of balance? Have you looked at the foundation of the doctrine of tongues ? Could it be in the Old Testament?

His word is not "incomplete" but it also does not every issue that could be addressed. If you needed surgery, would you want a surgeon who only read the Bible, or one who had read biological, medical and surgical textbooks?

I already addressed the idea of testing; quite adequately.

eternally-gratefull said:

The Bible says it is fully complete fully able to make a man complete in god

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Actually, it doesn't. It says, "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work." (NIV)

eternally-gratefull said:

Either you believe it or you set your self up for possible demon influenced nonsense which you have no way to confirm or deny because you have taken the only thing god has given you which can be trusted and set it aside

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Who said anything about looking to man? Who said anything about setting aside the word of God? I certainly didn't. You've badly misinterpreted what I'm saying.

If you ask God a question about something that His word simply does not address, how is He going to speak to you through His word? I have had God lead me directly to a person in need of help, when that person could have been anywhere within several square miles. I have had God lead me to buy a specific book on a specific shelf in a specific section of a store; its content was what I needed to learn at that time. I am absolutely convinced that God speaks to His children outside of Scripture. If that idea leaves you in fear, then don't ask Him questions that His word can't specifically answer.

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Your walking on dangerous ground

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Not at all, because I understand the concept of context. I know when to look to the Scripture for an answer, and when to look to the Spirit of God.

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This is my view and like I said not worth being divided I’ve this is not a Slavic issues

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Fair enough. We disagree. I don't live in fear; I know my God is far greater than the one who would seek to deceive me.

I would ask are there requirements missing by which we could do better than good works? If so equipped to do what? Come up with one of his own new innovations as a unknown tongue, falling backward ? The gospel of wonderment?

Whatever.

Why does God need to tell you or anyone else they need surgery, did he not give us doctors for that? The fact you would use this as reasoning just proves my poinr.

And you people do this kind of stuff in church? Wow.


16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for [c]instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Sadly your version left the most important word out. But even so. It says that the bible can do all the things bolded. Making the man of God THOROUGHLY EQUIPED (the word equiped is in the perfect tense) i am sure I do not have to tell you what the perfect tense means.

My point was made and PROVEN
Once again THAT IS NOT PROPHECY,

We are talking about prophetic utterance in the church serve, Can you PLEASE stick to the subject.

Not at all, because I understand the concept of context. I know when to look to the Scripture for an answer,

I pray so..

Patently false statement. The Holy Spirit dwells in all and only in born again Christians. To state that the Holy Spirit is only present in those who speak in tongues is wholly false and clearly misleading.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

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Logically that should provoke the question as to why. Perhaps he has been taught a faulty soteriology?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Not by...... but by my SPIRIT,thus saith the LORD!🙏

Your ability to misconstrue what I'm saying is almost as good as Blik's. Did you take lessons from her?



Yawn. I'm not getting into the translation differences discussion here.

eternally-gratefull said:

We are talking about prophetic utterance in the church serve, Can you PLEASE stick to the subject.

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That's your constraint, not mine. I haven't agreed to it. If you want to force-fit my comments to your narrow box, of course you're going to conclude that they don't fit. Open the lid a crack.

Your the one who responded to me by trying to correct me. If you took me out of context. Thats not my fault.

And it is not a translation difference. I showed the greek which proved my point, which means the translation differences do not even matter.

And I am not misunderstanding what your saying, I understand it perfectly well thank you. Your example just did not fit..