Born Again Speaking in Tongues

[Dino246]

Yep. It is still NOT prophesy

I didn't say it was. Others here are very specific in their claims that any communication allegedly from God outside of Scripture is either 'not God at all', or 'should be added to Scripture'. I consider both positions untenable.

I don’t agree with you, because I do not see it in scripture. And I do not have to make such claims against you in order to prove my point.

It is difficult to make a point about something that isn't recorded in Scripture precisely because it isn't recorded in Scripture. However, the absence from Scripture of something may be instructive, and in this case, I believe it is.

 

[Wansvic]

You are not exactly correct about this. Knowledge is to be sought and is highly desired. Any who claims to interpret must understand or they are not interpreting but simply imagining.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

The Holy Spirit uses an individual's vocal cords to speak in an unknown tongue to edify others. It is also the Holy Spirit who imparts the interpretation through another individual.

Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 1 Cor 12:4-7

But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. 1 Cor 12:11


God designed and utilizes spiritual gifts as a means to interact personally with His church until He returns and does it face to face.

 

[Wansvic]

What message does the spirit have to give that can not be found in scripture?

Why is God adding to the word he said was complete?

Usage of the spiritual gifts is one of the ways God interacts with and edifies His children. It is not a matter of adding or taking away from scripture. It is about a personal relationship.

 

[Waggles]

Usage of the spiritual gifts is one of the ways God interacts with and edifies His children. It is not a matter of adding or taking away from scripture. It is about a personal relationship.

Which is exactly what the Spirit-filled Pentecostal disciple has and enjoys as opposed to other Christians who do not have
the indwelling Holy Spirit.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I didn't say it was. Others here are very specific in their claims that any communication allegedly from God outside of Scripture is either 'not God at all', or 'should be added to Scripture'. I consider both positions untenable.

You responded to a post I made concerning prophesy. My point still stands.

It is difficult to make a point about something that isn't recorded in Scripture precisely because it isn't recorded in Scripture. However, the absence from Scripture of something may be instructive, and in this case, I believe it is.

I look at it this way. If it is not confirmed with scripture. it is best to walk away. God spent 2000 years giving us his word. If he wanted us to know something, he would have included it. If he did nto include it, it is either not important, or not from God.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Usage of the spiritual gifts is one of the ways God interacts with and edifies His children. It is not a matter of adding or taking away from scripture. It is about a personal relationship.

My post is on prophesy.

Please stick to the topic.

 

[garee]

Um, yes, you are, as you did in post #1445:



You have asked that question many times on this forum.

That is the question I consider ridiculous, because you are completely unable to demonstrate that anyone believes what you question.

The question is not ridiculous. Its simply .Is God bringing new prophecy confirming it as it is written? Or is Revelation the last book

What does the sign in respect to the law of tongues confirm .Belief or unbelief? You have been asked that question many times on this forum.

 

[garee]

I didn't say it was. Others here are very specific in their claims that any communication allegedly from God outside of Scripture is either 'not God at all', or 'should be added to Scripture'. I consider both positions untenable.

Outside of the law (the Bible) no position as a law is able to defend the believer. Any communication allegedly from God outside of Scripture we are to believe not.

It is difficult to make a point about something that isn't recorded in Scripture precisely because it isn't recorded in Scripture. However, the absence from Scripture of something may be instructive, and in this case, I believe it is.

The absence of his witness instructs us if any man say thus saying the Lord, I had a vision or a tongue as new prophecy we are to believe not.

We defend that which defends us. Unknowns defend nothing.

Law = prophecy as the final authority. Laws make up circular reasoning. They always return to the law giver.

Romans 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

 

[garee]

Which is exactly what the Spirit-filled Pentecostal disciple has and enjoys as opposed to other Christians who do not have
the indwelling Holy Spirit.

What is it that those who do not seek after a unknow wonderment miss out on? Falling backward?

 

[Dino246]

You responded to a post I made concerning prophesy. My point still stands.

I look at it this way. If it is not confirmed with scripture. it is best to walk away. God spent 2000 years giving us his word. If he wanted us to know something, he would have included it. If he did nto include it, it is either not important, or not from God.

Unless He is speaking to a specific person (or group of people) in a specific context. I know He still does this.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Unless He is speaking to a specific person (or group of people) in a specific context. I know He still does this.

It still would line up with the word.’

You have to have a way to confirm it is God talking not satan.

 

[Dino246]

Outside of the law (the Bible) no position as a law is able to defend the believer. Any communication allegedly from God outside of Scripture we are to believe not.

Hogwash. We are to test it, not reject it outright. Scripture teaches us that.

The absence of his witness instructs us if any man say thus saying the Lord, I had a vision or a tongue as new prophecy we are to believe not.

No it doesn't.

Law = prophecy as the final authority. Laws make up circular reasoning. They always return to the law giver.

You don't have a clue what circular reasoning is, despite my having explained it clearly more than once.

 

[Dino246]

It still would line up with the word.’

Of course God is not going to contradict His word. That's related, but really a different issue. God speaks about things that simply aren't addressed in His word, and have nothing to do with the Church as a whole. They are specific, personal messages for specific times in specific contexts which are completely irrelevant to the rest of the Body.

You have to have a way to confirm it is God talking not satan.

Which is outlined in 1 John 4.

 

[Dino246]

The question is not ridiculous.

The question is indeed ridiculous, because you cannot quote a single person who has claimed that. You have no evidence that anyone believes that. All you have is your own ideas, and you keep on asking the question as though your ideas were valid, despite the complete and total absence of any evidence to support them.

 

[garee]

The question is indeed ridiculous, because you cannot quote a single person who has claimed that. You have no evidence that anyone believes that. All you have is your own ideas, and you keep on asking the question as though your ideas were valid, despite the complete and total absence of any evidence to support them.

Many claim to be experiencing something as a sign that confirm something as a law of reasoning .

Like if you don't make a noise and fall backward you have no evidence of the Holy Spirit

You as it seems simply do not have a means as a law that could give us a seal of the author's approval where ends meet, completing the circuit. . The circle or perfect law of God it cannot be broken after the philosophies of men . It performs what it says because it perform what it say

The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. . . . because. . . . The law of the Lord is perfect as it works in the believer to both will and do his good pleasure . No murmuring he adds . Join the circle. His testimony will surely make wiser the simply one like us.

The gospel in a nut shell

His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.
The law of the Lord is perfect, "converting the soul": the testimony of the Lord is sure, "making wise the simple".The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart: the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes. The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.More to be desired are they than gold, yea, than much fine gold: sweeter also than honey and the honeycomb. Psalm 19:7-10

As far as I cannot quote a single person who has claimed that. Claims what? That they are not experiencing something that confirms something as a sign? Are they losing their balance and that's why they fall backward.

What does the law in respect to the doctrine of tongues confirm as a sign. belief or unbelief?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Of course God is not going to contradict His word. That's related, but really a different issue. God speaks about things that simply aren't addressed in His word, and have nothing to do with the Church as a whole. They are specific, personal messages for specific times in specific contexts which are completely irrelevant to the rest of the Body.

Yeah, And satan comes as an angel of light. I know many a people who went to others and claimed God gave them a message, and that message was not from God..

I am sorry, But if it can not at least be verified by scripture. You have NO idea if it is from God or Satan.

Which is outlined in 1 John 4.

Once again we are talking about prophesy, at a church service, so please stick to the topic. Many npn believers do things out of love, and you can’t tel the difference.

 

[Dino246]

Yeah, And satan comes as an angel of light. I know many a people who went to others and claimed God gave them a message, and that message was not from God..

Agreed. That's why God gave us several means by which to test alleged prophetic messages.

I am sorry, But if it can not at least be verified by scripture. You have NO idea if it is from God or Satan.[/QUOTE]
Actually, that is not true. God can speak about things that simply are not addressed anywhere in Scripture. There is a difference between "verified by Scripture" and "consistent with Scripture".

Once again we are talking about prophesy, at a church service, so please stick to the topic. Many npn believers do things out of love, and you can’t tel the difference.

I don't recall where this conversation was constrained to the context of church services.

 

[Dino246]

Many claim to be experiencing something as a sign that confirm something as a law of reasoning .

Actually, nobody is claiming "to be experiencing something as a sign that confirm something as a law of reasoning." That's your convoluted misunderstanding of what others are claiming.

Like if you don't make a noise and fall backward you have no evidence of the Holy Spirit

More convoluted misunderstanding.

You as it seems simply do not have a means as a law that could give us a seal of the author's approval where ends meet, completing the circuit. . The circle or perfect law of God it cannot be broken after the philosophies of men . It performs what it says because it perform what it say

Given that you simply don't understand circular reasoning, your comments on the subject are laughably irrelevant.

As far as I cannot quote a single person who has claimed that. Claims what?

I've addressed this repeatedly. If you can't figure out what I'm talking about, it's on you for not tracking the conversation. Go back and read my posts.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

it would be interesting to know if folks who demand every single thing be in scripture before they put their stamp of approval on it, actually consult that same scripture all day long to see if their actions and thoughts and what they say are condoned by the book they wish to hit everyone else over the head with

I seriously think not

I sometimes get the impression that they believe the Bible should say things like 'OK Johnny. today you get pancakes for breakfast and skip lunch and have a tuna melt for supper.

the Bible has basic logic written into it and it would be a relief to see some people discover that

but you know what? I suspect the real truth is that they say 'that is not in the Bible' in order to ignore any proof of what another does, they they have not experienced, as just fine with God and inline with scripture because let's face it, not any one of us takes the Bible and tries to find an exact outline for our lives because we ALL KNOW, that is not in there

when we consult a map for directions of a place we might want to go to, we do not expect that the town or whatever, will have every name of every person living there as well as pictures of what their house looks like.. included on that map. we expect, rather, to get to our destination following the road that indicates where the town is

yes

that was a metaphor

 

[garee]

Hogwash. We are to test it, not reject it outright. Scripture teaches us that.

Yes, by comparing it as it is written as the faith of God, to the same faith of God. The spiritual unseen eternal understanding to the spirit understanding . The man that has no circular understand that comes in regard to the perfect law, not to add or subtract sealed with seven seals till the end of time. Others must follow after the philosophies of men having no circular reasoning to prove philosophical theories that are not laws. .The circle of the perfect law cannot be broken into and take away from or added .

Can't clump Christianity with all the pagan religions of the world .

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.1 Corinthians 2:13-14