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posthuman

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Plz.don't insult Jesus by saying this.word of any dignified man remains same but we see many bibles contradicting within itself and with others.
Do Muslims not say you must read Quran in Arabic in order to read it purely?
It is the same. It is no surprise that many translations differ. They do not differ on the truth of the gospel
 

mjkhan

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Whether he was "lettered" (formally educated) is irrelevant. Muhammad led people to follow a false god. That makes him a false prophet. The god of Muhammad is not God of the Bible.
I would beleive that at least God would keep his book intact.Torah got lost in contents,not text,Gospel in both and QUran intact in both the text and language.But don't forget that if purpose is to prove other wrong one way or the other the discussion is lost.My purpose is to learn based on facts and For Muslims Jesus is deserving of love and respect.But follow what he himself said John 14:15,not what others said for him.
 

mjkhan

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Do Muslims not say you must read Quran in Arabic in order to read it purely?
It is the same. It is no surprise that many translations differ. They do not differ on the truth of the gospel
Muslims call translations of Quran as translation because Quran came in Arabic and only that is original.same could be applied to aramaic,Jesus taught in the language of time aramaic.
 

Sipsey

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Muslims call translations of Quran as translation because Quran came in Arabic and only that is original.same could be applied to aramaic,Jesus taught in the language of time aramaic.
Muslims claim the Bible is corrupt, yet a complete NT minus about a dozen verses can be assembled from letters dating from the time of the apostle John and before the council of Nicea. Those verses match what we have today, 600 years before the Koran.
 

posthuman

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Muslims call translations of Quran as translation because Quran came in Arabic and only that is original.same could be applied to aramaic,Jesus taught in the language of time aramaic.
Koine Greek. He quoted from the Septuigant. And He also spoke in Hebrew, not Aramaic.
 

mjkhan

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Koine Greek. He quoted from the Septuigant. And He also spoke in Hebrew, not Aramaic.
You say Jesus didn't speak Aramaic,while people in palestine mostly spoke Armaic.
Do you know what was his first miracle.?
 

mjkhan

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Muslims claim the Bible is corrupt, yet a complete NT minus about a dozen verses can be assembled from letters dating from the time of the apostle John and before the council of Nicea. Those verses match what we have today, 600 years before the Koran.
I quote what Chrisitan Bible scholars say e.g.Prof.Bart Ehrman of univ of NC,and others and they say this.HIs iste is Ehrmanblog.org
 

posthuman

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You say Jesus didn't speak Aramaic,while people in palestine mostly spoke Armaic.
Do you know what was his first miracle.?
He is God and He can speak all languages. He is the one who did the thing at Babel, remember?

He came to His own in Israel. They spoke Hebrew but were hellenized by Alexander and the common tongue there was Greek. This is what He spoke on earth as a man.
 

mjkhan

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He is God and He can speak all languages. He is the one who did the thing at Babel, remember?

He came to His own in Israel. They spoke Hebrew but were hellenized by Alexander and the common tongue there was Greek. This is what He spoke on earth as a man.
He used to preach in market places.Quran tells a detailed picture of him because Muslims have to love and respect him.But what was the first miracle of Jesus?
 

mjkhan

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He is God and He can speak all languages. He is the one who did the thing at Babel, remember?

He came to His own in Israel. They spoke Hebrew but were hellenized by Alexander and the common tongue there was Greek. This is what He spoke on earth as a man.
He is God(according to you) but he never said "I am God or worship me"
 

Sipsey

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He is God(according to you) but he never said "I am God or worship me"
The most important answer, to the the most important question, is the one that Jesus asked peter when he said, “Who do you say I am.”

No other question or answer is more important. No one ever born can pay the price of one sin, but Jesus. No amount of human “good works” can save one. He was and is a Savior, The Saviour, not a prophet.

One can “know” they have eternal life, by putting their trust in Jesus, not themselves.
 

mjkhan

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The most important answer, the the most important question , is the one that Jesus asked peter when he said, “Who do you say I am.”

No other question or answer is more important. No one ever born can pay the price of one sin, but Jesus. He was and is a Savior, not a prophet.
surprisingly though neither nor the Bible says about him saying"I am GOd,or worship me" but surely says him to be prophet.Muslims get confused when see chrisitanity based on what he didn't say nor preached and neglect of what he did say and preached.He sai I came ot revive the law,and never ate pork but christians have no worry about this.But any way this is thier business.What was the first miracle Jesus performed?
 

posthuman

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He is God(according to you) but he never said "I am God or worship me"
"no one is good but God alone"

"I AM the Good Shepherd"

What do you think, is He evil or good?
Is He a liar or is He God?

He expects us to figure it out. He spoke in parables and hid Himself so that the blind would be even more blind and those who are granted to see, will see all the more.

"no man ever spoke like this"
 

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surprisingly though neither nor the Bible says about him saying"I am GOd,or worship me" but surely says him to be prophet.Muslims get confused when see chrisitanity based on what he didn't say nor preached and neglect of what he did say and preached.He sai I came ot revive the law,and never ate pork but christians have no worry about this.But any way this is thier business.What was the first miracle Jesus performed?
They are confused because they think their god needs their help. Your words tell Christians that you only have second hand knowledge, not a relationship, which is required, whereby we are known as His children.
 

posthuman

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surprisingly though neither nor the Bible says about him saying"I am GOd,or worship me" but surely says him to be prophet.Muslims get confused when see chrisitanity based on what he didn't say nor preached and neglect of what he did say and preached.He sai I came ot revive the law,and never ate pork but christians have no worry about this.But any way this is thier business.What was the first miracle Jesus performed?
you will see Him coming in the clouds, and your knee will also bow to Him.
 

Sipsey

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surprisingly though neither nor the Bible says about him saying"I am GOd,or worship me" but surely says him to be prophet.Muslims get confused when see chrisitanity based on what he didn't say nor preached and neglect of what he did say and preached.He sai I came ot revive the law,and never ate pork but christians have no worry about this.But any way this is thier business.What was the first miracle Jesus performed?
From the beginning of Jesus’ life, we see examples of Him being worshiped. As soon as the Magi laid eyes on the infant Christ, “they bowed down and worshiped Him” (Matthew 2:11). The Bible records the initial response Jesus received when He made His triumphal entry into Jerusalem: “So they took branches of palm trees and went out to meet him, crying out, ‘Hosanna! Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord, even the King of Israel!’” (Matthew 21:9; John 12:13) The word hosanna is a plea for salvation and an expression of adoration. This word used by the crowd is definitely a form of worship.

Just after Jesus amazed the disciples by walking on water, “those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, ‘Truly you are the Son of God’” (Matthew 14:33). Two more memorable examples of Jesus accepting worship occurred just after His resurrection. Some of the women (Matthew 28:8-9; Mark 16:1; Luke 24:10) were on their way to tell the disciples of the resurrection when Jesus met them on their way. When they realized it was He, they “came to him, clasped his feet and worshiped him” (Matthew 28:9).

Then there is the case of Thomas, who didn't believe Jesus had risen from the dead despite the other disciples’ testifying to that fact. It had been about a week since the resurrection, and Thomas still doubted it. Jesus, knowing Thomas doubted, appeared to him and showed him the nail marks in His hands and feet and the wound in His side. How did Thomas respond? “Thomas said to him, ‘My Lord and my God!’” (John 20:28). In none of these instances do we see Jesus telling those worshiping Him to stop, as did mere men and even angels who were being worshiped wrongly by others (Acts 10:25–26; Revelation 19:9–10).

We continue to offer worship to Jesus today by offering ourselves to Him as a living sacrifice—offering ourselves to God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to do with as He sees fit (Romans 12:1–2). Jesus said, “God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth” (John 4:24). We worship God in spirit and truth by obedience to His commands. Worship is not solely about bowing to Jesus, throwing palm branches at His feet, or singing and shouting about our love for Him. Worship is about knowing Him, communing with Him, serving Him, and trusting in Him.
 

posthuman

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Do you know what was his first miracle.
He created all things. That's pretty miraculous. He created time itself. Does anything happen in time sequence before time?
 

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He created all things. That's pretty miraculous. He created time itself. Does anything happen in time sequence before time?
Yep, I would say that’s probably His 1st recorded miracle, creation itself.
Colossians 1:16 “For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through (by) him and for him.”
 

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I would beleive that at least God would keep his book intact.Torah got lost in contents,not text,Gospel in both and QUran intact in both the text and language.But don't forget that if purpose is to prove other wrong one way or the other the discussion is lost.My purpose is to learn based on facts and For Muslims Jesus is deserving of love and respect.
You're dodging instead of dealing with my post.

But follow what he himself said John 14:15,not what others said for him.
We are not in any way obligated to process this matter according to your understanding or your rules.
 

posthuman

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We are not in any way obligated to process this matter according to your understanding or your rules.
Even with that said, John 14:15 says keep His commandments. One of His commandments, John 5:39, is to search the scripture for how it testifies of Him.
Therefore, if Quran does not testify of Him, it is not scripture, and if it does, then what we should search Quran for is Jesus Christ. Every single sutra.

It is true of the law and the prophets that every single bit of it is revealing and testifying of Him. Is this also true of Quran?
If it is not then either Quran is not scripture or Christ Jesus is a liar.