John 3:3

Excuse me but I'm a little confused. I thought that water baptism is commanded "AFTER" one is saved, not a part of doing it to get saved, which btw is a work. By getting water baptised you identify yourself with Jesus Christ as being one of His followers.

This is also why Matthew 28:19 says, "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them (the disciples) in the name of the Father and the Son and of the Holy Spirit." In other words, you get water baptized after your a disciple, not to become a disciple.

So, this means that you footprint and wansvic are wrong and the crowd is Biblically right. Btw, your also mis-applying Matthew 7:13,14 as it applies to this issue. One more thing, the thief on the cross was not water baptized and Jesus told him he will be in Paradise with Jesus. What was it that saved the thief?

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

John 3 has nothing to do with water baptism.

If any one needs proof. It is in jesus words.

In answer to Nicodemus question about how one is born again, Jesus gave the following answer.

John 3:
9 Nicodemus answered and said to Him, “How can these things be?”

Jesus answer!

10 Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things? 11 Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man [b]who is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up,15 that whoever believes in Him should [c]not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Notice

1. He never once said anythign about having to be baptised
2. He used an OT passage, where people looked up in faith to the serpant and in it they were saved. Saying Jesus is the serpant, So whoever in faith LOOKS UP TO HIM, will be saved
3. He said belief or true faith ALONE is what saves and whoever has done this, wIll NEVER DIE
4. HE said clearly, Whoever does not believe is in the continued state of condemnation. (Once again, NO mention of not being baptised)

People trying to use this passage to support their salvation by immersion in PHYSICAL water by the work of man, twist it and make a doctrine that is not only not mention, but not even HINTED at in this passage.

John 4:23-24
King James Version

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth.
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How does a person worship GOD by doing physical things?

Belief requires accepting the truth about Jesus and responding to Him as well.

Jesus said unless a man is reborn he cannot SEE the kingdom. He goes on to say unless a man is born of water and Spirit he cannot ENTER the kingdom. John 3:3-5

Jesus instructed a blind man to go wash in the pool of Siloam. Upon being obedient to Jesus' command the blind man received his sight. Jesus also commands people to go to the water and get water baptized.


"And said unto him, Go, wash in the pool of Siloam, (which is by interpretation, Sent.) He went his way therefore, and washed, and came seeing.

8 The neighbours therefore, and they which before had seen him that he was blind, said, Is not this he that sat and begged?

9 Some said, This is he: others said, He is like him: but he said, I am he.

10 Therefore said they unto him, How were thine eyes opened?

11 He answered and said, A man that is called Jesus made clay, and anointed mine eyes, and said unto me, Go to the pool of Siloam, and wash: and I went and washed, and I received sight." John 9:7-11

One's obedience to the truth is worship. The scripture speaks of one worshiping God with their spirit. This is done through speaking in tongues that were received through the infilling of the Holy Spirit. (1 Cor 14:2)

This is to bathed himself and not get water baptized. In water baptism it takes two to administer, the case however here is one, he himself is goung to wash.

Complete fabrication containing no truth. Worship is through Spirit and Truth both of which are in the Word of God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

The point-Jesus sent the blind man to the water.

One's obedience to the truth is worship. The scripture speaks of one worshiping God with their spirit. This is done through speaking in tongues that were received through the infilling of the Holy Spirit. (1 Cor 14:2)

This is to bathed himself and not get water baptized. In water baptism it takes two to administer, the case however here is one, he himself is goung to wash.

Belief requires accepting the truth about Jesus and responding to Him as well.

Jesus said unless a man is reborn he cannot SEE the kingdom. He goes on to say unless a man is born of water and Spirit he cannot ENTER the kingdom. John 3:3-5

Jesus instructed a blind man to go wash in the pool of Siloam. Upon being obedient to Jesus' command the blind man received his sight. Jesus also commands people to go to the water and get water baptized.


"And said unto him, Go, wash in the pool of Siloam, (which is by interpretation, Sent.) He went his way therefore, and washed, and came seeing.

8 The neighbours therefore, and they which before had seen him that he was blind, said, Is not this he that sat and begged?

9 Some said, This is he: others said, He is like him: but he said, I am he.

10 Therefore said they unto him, How were thine eyes opened?

11 He answered and said, A man that is called Jesus made clay, and anointed mine eyes, and said unto me, Go to the pool of Siloam, and wash: and I went and washed, and I received sight." John 9:7-11

IMO,ones obedience to the truth Is to say yes to JESUS who said come unto ME all who labor and are heavy laden and I will give you rest.

I know the scripture is not specifically pertaining to an actual water baptism. It is a picture of the concept behind God ordained water baptism.

The answer from the word:
"For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries." 1 Cor 14:2

God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. John 4:24

I would rather say his belief resulted to his obedience not obedience as a requirement...

The first thing one must do is accept Jesus' sacrifice. That goes without saying. But the word does not tell us to stop there. There is more truth requiring obedience. The righteousness of God is revealed faith by faith. One step of faith after another. Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Faith is made perfect through obedience. They are connected.

Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? James 2:22

Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. James 2:24

For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. James 2:26

I would say, it is a wrong application of what you are trying to point out.

Faith is made perfect through obedience. They are connected.

Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? James 2:22

Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. James 2:24

For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. James 2:26

I do not believe Jesus performed this miracle in the fashion He chose without the intention to convey a truth. He could have just as easily told the man to receive his sight and it would have miraculously occurred.

The bible record makes it clear that God does nothing haphazardly.