John 3:3

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fredoheaven

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Footprint said:
We can receive the Holy Ghost before or after water baptism but never before repentance.

Baptism is not a work, it is something that is done to you. Baptism is obedience to the Word of God.





We are baptized because...

1. it is a command
2. it is for the remission of sins
3. it is part of the New Birth process





Although Jesus was close to death, he was not yet dead...

Hebrews 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
[17] For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.


-Thank you.
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Inhebrews 6:1 says we have so many baptisms which one you meant here. Physical/water baptism or spiritual baptism? If baptism by water, someone did and you did as well, the candidates for baptism and the baptizer. This is only symbolizes, pictures the basis of the gospel which is the dbr and is never a part of the new birth or regeneration. It is not about water that saves but the blood of Jesus saves.
 
dcontroversal

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Footprint said:
Not likely, this would be a redundant statement since Nicodemus was already born of a mother's womb, as are all of us.






Again not likely, this would be the equivalent of saying...

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of living water (Spirit) and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.


We know in the Born Again Doctrine the water is baptism, of which Wansvic explains in great and clear detail.

Remember, the Crowed is Wrong! ...

Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
[14] Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


Thank you.
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Have some cake...............
 
Wansvic

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fredoheaven said:
Sure, when one beleves in Christ, then that one can obtain eternal life wihich John 3:16 says and many more that i am wikling to cite refrences of believing to be saved not water baptized which is the result of one's faith
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Please provide scripture that states when the name of Jesus is applied to the believer. Thanks.
 
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fredoheaven said:
This simply means a head belief not a heart belief. I think also you ought to follow the context behind which is a vain belief of some sort and believing to be save.. here the devils tremble not the type of repentance and faith.
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So the scriptures say one thing but mean something else?
 
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Footprint said:
My post was clear. You may wish to go back and re-read.






I had assumed you were aware of those scriptures indicating where baptism was given before or after receiving the Holy Ghost. Would you like me to post them for you?






With your own words we see that the person that is commanded is receiving the baptism from the one "who will do the actual dunking."


-Thank you.
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I did read your post more than once and I'm extremely clear what your promoting which is heretical. And yes, by all means post the scriptures you have showing you recieive the Holy Spirit before and after water baptism. Btw, I'm changing the subject because I want to ask you if Jesus Christ is God the Father and God the Holy Spirit? You can answer yes or no or you can give an explanation either way. Thank You! :eek:

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
 
fredoheaven

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Wansvic said:
So the scriptures say one thing but mean something else?
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The devils faith knows Christ is the Son of God and trembles so they are not saved. Even their devilish works cannot saved them either, even to the point they transform themselves as an angel of God. Nop they can,t and never will be. In short, that kind of belief is nit a saving faith. The real saving faith is that trust wholly in Christ and his gospel which water baptism is not a part of the gospel.
 
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Footprint said:
Not likely, this would be a redundant statement since Nicodemus was already born of a mother's womb, as are all of us.
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The analogy that Jesus is creating is plainly obvious, quite the opposite of redundant, the point is essential to the analogy.
 
fredoheaven

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Wansvic said:
Please provide scripture that states when the name of Jesus is applied to the believer. Thanks.
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Not so sure what you are asking right now. I think learn to divide scriptural truth. The faith that saves is the one who totally trust Christ for his salvation, for there is no other name but Christ, not water baptism to mention
 
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fredoheaven said:
Not so sure what you are asking right now. I think learn to divide scriptural truth. The faith that saves is the one who totally trust Christ for his salvation, for there is no other name but Christ, not water baptism to mention
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Wansvic, are you sure we are goung to discuss acts 2:38?
 
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UnderGrace said:
The analogy that Jesus is creating is plainly obvious, quite the opposite of redundant, the point is essential to the analogy.
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And he qualifies what he said....That which is born of flesh is flesh.........the salvation "wetters" will always twist it, just like the salvation losers and workers for.........their theme song is The Twist by Chubby Checker and their favorite place to grab a snack or work is---->Aunt Auntie's Pretzels...........
 
Wansvic

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fredoheaven said:
Not so sure what you are asking right now. I think learn to divide scriptural truth. The faith that saves is the one who totally trust Christ for his salvation, for there is no other name but Christ, not water baptism to mention
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No need to supply scripture if you don't understand what I mean.
 
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Wansvic said:
Jesus' burial and resurrection are expressed, in addition to His death, as requirements for the fulfillment of the gospel. Jesus bodily resurrection gave evidence that He was the first fruit of the rebirth experience put in place for the NT church.
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Jesus forgave sins long before He died & rose & ascended.
it was kind of a big deal.

it wasn't by the old covenant that He did this.
 
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So, due to my predisposition concerning the quotidian misuse of the scripture that the OP misconceptualized, I pert nigh missed the opportunity to bandy words concerning yet another unfortunate maltreatment of said same passage;
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something like that but with a little more emphasis on the bandy :cool:

but try not to be superior sounding
 
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