Why a multitude of spiritual gifts are ignored

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God, Son and also the Holy Spirit represent the complete context of the Catholic faith. we tend to might have a reasonably smart purpose on United Nations agency Son was, we tend to might speculate on United Nations agency God is, however, we tend to should additionally balance the work of the Holy Spirit at intervals the Catholic Church and its followers. usually we predict of Son as associated with the daddy, however, I believe his life was extremely influenced and his actions were all the additional doable through the assistance of the Holy Spirit.
 
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They did not have hospitals in those days as we have. But Jesus healed the equivalent of MANY HOSPITALS in one day, after healing Peter's mother-in-law, before that a centurion's servant, and before that a leper! (Mt 8:16-18). And He healed ALL THAT WERE SICK OR DEMON POSSESSED without exception:
16 When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick:

17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses.

18 Now when Jesus saw great multitudes about him, he gave commandment to depart unto the other side.

"Great multitudes" implies several thousands, just like in the feeding of the four thousand and the five thousand.
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and back to my point that you either ignored or did not understand

they still crucified Him

you can heal the entire world and it still would not turn all the hearts to God

besides, you guys just enjoy saying that old worn out excuse about hospitals. it requires no thought at all
 
notuptome

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7seasrekeyed said:
and back to my point that you either ignored or did not understand

they still crucified Him

you can heal the entire world and it still would not turn all the hearts to God

besides, you guys just enjoy saying that old worn out excuse about hospitals. it requires no thought at all
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Yet you are the one who requires power to demonstrate Spirituality.

You are correct that the church has failed in her obligation to tell the lost of Christ. In the hospitals and in the highways and byways of life.

Every Christian has the most important gift and need to tell others that they have it and how they too can obtain the most precious gift.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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7seasrekeyed said:
you can heal the entire world and it still would not turn all the hearts to God
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Now you are off on another tangent. Christ healed all without exception and that's what Christian healers should be doing (if they are around). The spiritual outcome is in God's hands.
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
Now you are off on another tangent. Christ healed all without exception and that's what Christian healers should be doing (if they are around). The spiritual outcome is in God's hands.
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Except... when He didn't...

57 And they took offense at him.
But Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his own town and in his own home.”

58 And he did not do many miracles there because of their lack of faith.
 
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Dino246 said:
What is your take on Matthew 13:57-8?
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I'm sure others more learned in the biblical languages could answer better than me, but my understanding is that Jesus chose not to, and probably because he knew the people from his hood wouldn't believe even if he did miracles in front of them(casing pearls before swine). Thinking that he couldn't because of a lack of faith can't be it, because how much faith did the dead he raised have?
 
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I'm sure others more learned in the biblical languages could answer better than me, but my understanding is that Jesus chose not to, and probably because he knew the people from his hood wouldn't believe even if he did miracles in front of them(casing pearls before swine). Thinking that he couldn't because of a lack of faith can't be it, because how much faith did the dead he raised have?
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I think it was because he thought it would be a waste of time like using logic to explain God to hard hearted atheist's. The word atheist is a contraction for anti God. Even Einstein believed in creation.
 
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I don't say that someone should
7seasrekeyed said:
, you guys just enjoy saying that old worn out excuse about hospitals. it requires no thought at all
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Wrong. I say it because if healing is for today, I want people to be healed. If it is or isn't-I wish those believing it is would put up or shut up. What I find interesting is that most claiming the gift of healing is for today have nothing but excuses for why they can't do it, and even more interesting is how they cop out by claiming even Jesus couldn't heal everybody. Since we all agree Jesus is God(I hope), can we stop saying he couldn't heal some? God couldn't heal some? Really?
 
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I was at a meeting somewhere once and heard someone share that they didn't believe in God because he's a judgmental homophobe. He didn't even realize how stupid he sounded.
 
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calibob said:
I was at a meeting somewhere once and heard someone share that they didn't believe in God because he's a judgmental homophobe. He didn't even realize how stupid he sounded.
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I always found it ironic when people rejected God in meetings-since he's in 5 of the 12 steps( 6 if you count step 2).
 
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7seasrekeyed

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notuptome said:
Yet you are the one who requires power to demonstrate Spirituality.

You are correct that the church has failed in her obligation to tell the lost of Christ. In the hospitals and in the highways and byways of life.

Every Christian has the most important gift and need to tell others that they have it and how they too can obtain the most precious gift.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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you are a false accuser

I'm not referring to you saying the church has failed when I say that though

but where did I say the church has failed in 'her obligation to tell the lost of Christ?' the church has actually done a very good job of that

the problem is or are, the denoms that bring up people like you

you, are a glaring example of much of what is wrong with so called 'Christianity' churchianity
 
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7seasrekeyed

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Yet you are the one who requires power to demonstrate Spirituality.
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man that's rich

Jesus never demonstrated the power of God through the Holy Spirit

and He never said 'you will have power AFTER the Holy Spirit has come upon you

you really DO have the redacted version of the Bible LOL!

we don't ask for power that God tells us He gives to back up His word

if you don't have any power, maybe it's because God is not backing up what you are saying
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
Now you are off on another tangent. Christ healed all without exception and that's what Christian healers should be doing (if they are around). The spiritual outcome is in God's hands.
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you are another one that twists what is being said

but only when it comes to discussing the gifts given by God through His Spirit

I have twice posted the same reply to your post and twice now you choose one small part and try to make it seem like something it is NOT

I would not brag about that type of behavior

here is the post again

I wish cessationists would come up with something original instead of the standard go to the hospitals sarcasm 101 response

someone could just as easily say to the Congo and preach salvation. any takers? certainly everyone thinks salvation is of God? then why isn't everyone saved?

I have wondered why Jesus appeared in the timeline that He did and it is responses such as this one, that create the thought that people are scoffers and look for reasons to avoid doing and or believing what they think THEMSELF incapable of doing

when discussing spiritual gifts, it would behoove the respondents to actually understand the directions regarding same

1. who gives the gift?

2. who is healing?

3. did everyone receive healing in scripture?

4. what would be the result of healing everyone in a hospital? and if you think it would be everyone would believe in God, then think again and read the results of both healing and other miracles in scripture.

why would God provide healing for all? why not eternal life for all?

when you respond with 'if' you are throwing out a challenge and think you are having a 'gotcha' moment

when you say 'if' and 'then' you are accusing the one you are talking to, that they do not believe what they say themself

when you tell the person to go and do the healing, you demonstrate that you have not received a proper understanding of the gifts, how they work, how they are given

on one hand you despise faith healers because they make a public show of healing and on the other hand you tell someone to go and do the same

maybe address the post instead of one sentence you think you have a snappy answer you can respond with

if you cannot or choose not to respond to this post, maybe just leave it alone altogether

there are several things I really do not like in this world

and one of them would be a person misrepresenting what I said

that is what you are doing and not a very clever device but well used by those who cannot address something and so they try to change what is said or ignore it altogether

I cannot respect that
 
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Here's an example of someone who was not healed by Jesus during His ministry here on earth:


Acts 3:

1 Now Peter and John went up together into the temple at the hour of prayer, being the ninth hour.

2 And a certain man lame from his mother's womb was carried, whom they laid daily at the gate of the temple which is called Beautiful, to ask alms of them that entered into the temple;

3 Who seeing Peter and John about to go into the temple asked an alms.

4 And Peter, fastening his eyes upon him with John, said, Look on us.

5 And he gave heed unto them, expecting to receive something of them.

6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.

7 And he took him by the right hand, and lifted him up: and immediately his feet and ancle bones received strength.

8 And he leaping up stood, and walked, and entered with them into the temple, walking, and leaping, and praising God.

9 And all the people saw him walking and praising God:

10 And they knew that it was he which sat for alms at the Beautiful gate of the temple: and they were filled with wonder and amazement at that which had happened unto him.


The guy in Acts 3 was in his 40s (Acts 4:22) and he was carried to the gate of the temple on a daily basis (Acts 3:2). Do you think Jesus didn't know the lame man was there? Or that the lame man did not hear about Jesus as he sat daily at the temple gate?

God has His reasons as to why or why not a person is healed and it is best that we not question His wisdom in the matter. God's people are sometimes not healed. People who do not believe are sometimes healed. And sometimes healing is delayed, as we see in the record in Acts 3.




 
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7seasrekeyed said:
you are a false accuser

I'm not referring to you saying the church has failed when I say that though

but where did I say the church has failed in 'her obligation to tell the lost of Christ?' the church has actually done a very good job of that

the problem is or are, the denoms that bring up people like you

you, are a glaring example of much of what is wrong with so called 'Christianity' churchianity
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7seasrekeyed said:
man that's rich

Jesus never demonstrated the power of God through the Holy Spirit

and He never said 'you will have power AFTER the Holy Spirit has come upon you

you really DO have the redacted version of the Bible LOL!

we don't ask for power that God tells us He gives to back up His word

if you don't have any power, maybe it's because God is not backing up what you are saying
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It's not about you. It is all about Christ. The power is in Christ. The power to declare the gospel to a lost and dying world.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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Didymous said:
I don't say that someone should


Wrong. I say it because if healing is for today, I want people to be healed. If it is or isn't-I wish those believing it is would put up or shut up. What I find interesting is that most claiming the gift of healing is for today have nothing but excuses for why they can't do it, and even more interesting is how they cop out by claiming even Jesus couldn't heal everybody. Since we all agree Jesus is God(I hope), can we stop saying he couldn't heal some? God couldn't heal some? Really?
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put up or shut up?

I can actually agree to a certain extent...with the WOF concept of how God heals for instance

people can't do a doggone thing. which is why others should stop worshiping them and sending their hard earned money to them

bottom line is people 'can't do it' so WHY doesn't God 'do it'?

but God does heal. I have seen it myself.

but I mean what I said about the hospital cliche. takes no thought at all

seems you might actually be thinking about it. I know I do.
 
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notuptome said:
It's not about you. It is all about Christ. The power is in Christ. The power to declare the gospel to a lost and dying world.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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no dude

it's all about you. but like you say, it's not up to you

that, at least, is a place you do tell the truth

I think you are working on being shown the door. I've noticed you are getting bolder and more nasty and don't seem to care what you say to anyone

you affect this forum with negativity and false information. not very much an asset IMO
 
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Dino246 said:
Except... when He didn't...
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Another tangent.

MATTHEW 4
23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

24 And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatick, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them.

25 And there followed him great multitudes of people from Galilee, and from Decapolis, and from Jerusalem, and from Judaea, and from beyond Jordan.

And now that we all know that Jesus not only healed in Galilee but also in Syria and Judea and the surrounding regions, all those who thought that Jesus did not empty out the *hospitals* are wondering how in the world they will handle this (other than going off on tangents). Well really, they all should be heading to the hospitals now!
 
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Let's not for get that ever since the debacle in the garden of Eden. Human life in these bodies has been limited and everyone that was healed or raised from the Dead in the bible IS DEAD! Except Jesus!
 
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