Not By Works

Then try to connect the words to the nunaces and put it into context.

You read the concourse between Jesus and Peter yet, concerning love?
Individual words you say, have various nuances.
Peter do you love me? What's the word and what's the context?
Jesus 3rd time. What's the word and the context?

I'm going to bed, everything you need on the subject is here, sorry you don't like it. I have put your pal on ignore:-

Romans 11:20-22 - But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either. Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.

Hebrews 6:4-6 - It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.

Hebrews 10:26-31 - If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” and again, “The Lord will judge his people.” It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God

2 Peter 2:20-22 - If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them.

2 Peter 3:17 - Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position.

Revelation 22:19 - And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

In Rev it even tells us our name can be blotted out of the Lambs book of Life, which means it had to be written in before it can be REMOVED.

It's not that I don't like it.

It's just that I do not agree with you.
Fully based on your interpretation of Hebrews and your refusal to answer my questions when looking to understand the Greek and quoting Revelation
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Sleep well mate.

No, I was at lunch and had to go back to work. .

Your posts were a trainwreck. Go back. I found time to answer your posts.

Bud did the best he could trying to prove that Christians are all slaves to sin.

Never mind Romans 6:17. Bud knows more than Paul

No, I was at lunch and had to go back to work.

Oh, DC agrees with Bud's "Christians are slaves to sin" argument? Is that why he put a thumbs up? I was waiting to see who would agree with that abomination of an argument.

Bud tried to prove that if you are not sinless, you are a slave to sin. That is in direct contradiction to 1 John 1:8 on one hand and Romans 6:17 on the other

Shows how pernicious and unbiblical a doctrine can be when it picks some scriptures and ignores others.

Oh yes. I also encourage anyone to go look at the exchanges. And yeah, "train wreck" is a good analogy for yours. Whether you call daily sins "practice" or "slavery" you still commit them, and you're not going to stop.

Magenta think I claim to be sinless.

You think too much....and eternal security is a reality unless you serve a weak inept lying god that does not keep his word and or promises......

This will be the first thread in CC history to make it to 100,000 posts!

Exactly. If eternal life isn't eternal, God made a serious mistake by calling it eternal life when He should have called it temporary life, or probation instead of salvation, or a trial period instead of what it is - eternal security.

Poor Mac. Sins and sins and claims he's no slave. Claims he's not "practicing" sin.

Hopeless hypocrite.

Budman do you think this is related to a belief in the doctrine of the "perseverance of the saints"

It seems that their assurance of salvation is bound up in the fact that they preserver?

But I would say we should not use ourselves and our fruit as a measure of salvation but rather the promises of God?

I worry because I have dialogued with a few people who have come under the heavy weight of this doctrine.

AGAIN PAL...the context is having their AUTHORITY removed collectively as a church....IT has nothing to do with salvation so your point is MOOT

I did answer....he cannot figure out that what JESUS said to the 7 churches ha nothing to do with individual salvation, but rather losing their authority as a church.....you cannot reason with people that will ignore context.......just like the other guy using Hebrews out of context to peddle a losable salvation....

NIV1984 Revelation 2:19-29
I know your deeds, your love and faith, your service and perseverance, and that you are now doing more than you did at first. Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess. By her teaching she misleads my servants into sexual immorality and the eating of food sacrificed to idols. I have given her time to repent of her immorality, but she is unwilling. So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways. I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds. Now I say to the rest of you in Thyatira, to you who do not hold to her teaching and have not learned Satan’s so-called deep secrets (I will not impose any other burden on you): Only hold on to what you have until I come. To him who overcomes and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations— ‘He will rule them with an iron scepter; he will dash them to pieces like pottery’— just as I have received authority from my Father. I will also give him the morning star. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.

Is Jesus our Lord asking these churches to repent? Weren't they saved and always saved like you? It's interesting to notice that although you say that "saved is saved" yet here is Jesus telling them to repent for the things He has against them (i'm refering to the 7 churches as i have stated from the start) and warning them. Now I wonder what will those who claim to be saved and always saved do when Jesus says to them that He has not found their deeds complete in the sight of God and that they need to repent and obey, will they listen and adhere to His appeal to them or will they reject His appeal and insist that they have no more need for repentance because their sins in the past, present and future have already been forgiven and that they are always saved regardless of any appeal from the Lord they claim to have faith in. Such a dangerous stance indeed.

Join the crowd sis....he was over in another thread accusing @Budman of being an accuser of the brethern....

An accuser accusing the accuser......two Greek words = Hypocrite........

At the end of the day we are called to be like Jesus.
We are called to discipleship.
What saves us?
Works or faith?
Faith saves, works follow.