Discussing Noah's Flood - Mysteries & Theories

Let's see IF there's any Speculation as stated by our friend here....

Gen 8:1 ¶ And God remembered Noah, and every living thing, and all the cattle that was with him in the ark: and God made a wind to pass over the earth, and the waters asswaged;

Asswaged is the Hebrew word Shakak (H7918) and it can also mean to set a Trap. Here it is used in this manner:

Jer 5:26 For among my people are found wicked men: they lay wait, as He that setteth H7918 snares; they set a trap, they catch men.
Gen 8:2 The fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained;

This is important since the narrative is between the time when the Ark was above the highest mountains on Adam's Earth on the 150th Day after the flood began Gen 7:24 AND when the Ark was upon the mountains of Ararat on the SAME 150th Day after the flood began. Gen 8:4 God set a Trap for today's Evols and Unbelievers with the flood.

Gen 7:20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered. 21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man: 22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died. 23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark. v24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.

Gen 8:3 And the waters returned from off the earth continually: and after the end of the hundred and fifty days the waters were abated.
Gen 8:4 And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.

See, No speculation here! And there's No need for Traditional Goatherder's Doctrinal Teachings who can NOT support their views with Scripture. JMHO.

Our God is an Awesome God.

Genesis 1:21 tells us that EVERY living creature that moveth was brought forth from the waters on Day 5. This includes the sons of God or prehistoric mankinds - who's origin is also from the waters.

Genesis 2 tells us of Creatures made from the dust of the ground. Some Unbelievers see this as a contradiction, and falsely assume that the Scripture is mistranslated.

They are ignorant of the fact that God (Elohim) originally brought forth EVERY Living Creature that moved, from the water, on Day 5.

The account of the formation of the beasts of the field and fowl of the air, from the Dust on the 6th Day, is when YHWH, the Spn of God, squeezed, as a potter would mold a clay, and formed living creatures (His Kinds) from the dust of the ground .

The creatures made from the dust were identical to those brought forth from the waters and could produce offspring together.

The first Living Being made from the dust was man. Man was made/formed on the 3rd Day before the plants and herbs, right after the mist that watered the whole face of the ground. Gen 2:4-7. This gives mankind Preeminence or First Place among all other Living Creatures.

Like the animals made from the dust, humans also married and produced children with Beings brought forth from the water. That's where Cain's wife came from, and that is who Noah's grandsons married, on this Planet (Gen 6). Incest was never part of the multiplication process of Humankind, as far as the God’ righteousness is concerned.

After the union between the sons of God (prehistoric mankind) and daughters of men (humans) Gen 6, we acquired the DNA of the prehistoric beings and we also have the Human intelligence that can ONLY be inherited from Adam, the first Human.

We are all descended with modifications from a common ancestor, and his name is Adam.

God brought forth every living creature that moveth from the water, on the 5th Day, and Jesus produced "His /Their Kinds" from the dust of the ground, at the beginning of the 6th Day and brought them to Adam for him name them.

We are all confined to our own kind (flesh) in order to multiply to produce offspring. Unfortunately, Some Religionists and Evolutionism remain ignorant of God’ Truth.

When you say that sons of God is prehistoric mankind, it makes your entire reasoning suspect. Scripture does not say this is so. In Job it speaks of sons of God saying the angels who visited Job along with Satan. In that case it was calling angels sons of God. Next, in Genesis it speaks of sons of God, and most people do not believe they were angels because angels do not marry. That can be true and at the same time it was told in Enoch that 200 of the fallen angels (demons) of the order that can take on human form did marry. They did not marry each other as scripture tells us they do not, but married humans.

I don't see how any other interpretation is possible, even though these angels married humans. What is overlooked is that we are told one order of angels can take on human form. That is mentioned in Hebrews, saying we must be hospitable because it may be angels we are serving. There are instances in the OT telling of angels in human form.

In approved scripture there is very little about the sons of God marrying humans and producing evil beings, but the book of Enoch explains it well. That book was accepted as scripture until the Catholic Church decided it too Jewish. It explains what our scripture leaves out.

speaks of sons of God, and most people do not believe they were angels because angels do not marry.

It is my Biblical Opinion that.... In order to understand the Flood, one must understand the following:

The world of Adam was an enclosed Biosphere much smaller than our earth, which was totally surrounded by the firmament which protected it from the water - below and above it - into which it was placed. Gen 1:6-8 .... Adam's Earth was not on a Rocky Planet, like the present Earth, since it was "clean dissolved" in the Flood, and rocks don't dissolve in water. Isa 24:19

This Earth, the Earth of Adam, was FLAT. It's highest point is only about 22 1/2 feet above sea level, Gen 7:20 .... while our earth’ highest elevation is some 29k ft. above sea level in comparison. Their entire Earth had only 4 Rivers while our present World has thousands of Rivers all over the face of the earth, indicating it was much much smaller than our Earth.

Here are some model images of Ancient Hebrew Perspective of Flat Earth - simili- for reference only - Adam's firmament of heaven - surrounded by waters below and above it - see link..... https://www.pinterest.ph/pin/113715959316206919/

During the Great Flood, Noah and the Ark were 22 1/2 ft above Adam's Earth on the 150th Day after the Flood began. At this depth the mountains of that Earth were covered in water. Gen 7:20. On the SAME 150th Day after the Flood began, the Ark rested upon the mountains of Ararat. Gen 8:4

That's one of the mysteries. HOW could the Ark be in both places on the SAME Day?

This is what happens when we limit God to our understanding. Placing a foolish theroy to break down the mighty hand of the Lord to make it believable. All over the world evidence is found of a great world wide flood. The scares of the retreating water alone are undeniable.
God's word is proven. 21 ft of water could never do the damage caused by the flood. Plus you would need more than that for the ark to stay afloat.
It is said if Satan can make the book of Genesis seem like a fairytale then he has successfully succeeded in presenting God the same.
God has left the remains of his first judgement in plain view as a reminder that a second is to follow.

Dear Blik,

The reasons Prehistoric Creatures or Mankind are called “sons of God“ is because, in the eyes of the God, they were innocent creatures / beings (who do not have the knowledge of “good and evil”) …. who also received the blessings from God (Trinity) on the 5th Day - to be fruitful and multiply (Gen 1:22-23). - the same blessing also given also to A&E on the 6th Day when they were created in the image and likeness of God. Gen 1:26-27 and 5:1-3 Read and learn:

Gen 1:22-23 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. v23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

Now, for continuing discussion, show us where you see angles are being described as “son of God” in ref. to your cited Book of Job?.



Well, it is because, you continue to use other books other than Scripture - switching back and forth - perhaps, because you don't not understand. I will suggest to pray for more wisdom and understanding.



Again, the problem is because you don't fully understand the Scripture! and your understanding is convoluted between what you want to believe... based on Ancient Goat Herders Theology... and what our accepted Scripture is actually saying. Sorry.

Dear Blik........

Now, for continuing discussion, show us where you see angles are being described as “son of God” in ref. to your cited Book of Job?.

Job 1:6, 2:1, and 38:7.

The continuing context of the verses below should be suffice enough to REFUTE the ERRORS and WILD IMAGINATIONS of traditional of men or the Goatherder’s Theology.

Read and learn:
[Gen 6:1-4 KJV] 1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,. v2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown.

Okay, let us both see that actual Scripture that you cited...see below

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, AND all the sons of God shouted for joy?

I don’t see ANYWHERE in the cited Scripture that “angels” are also referred to as “sons of God”, do you?... Would you like to explain your thought further why you think so? Or perhaps, this is another case of Ancient Goatherders’ Theology teachings - that is based on wild imagination of men. correct?

"Your 'biblical opinion'"? What is that? It's either your opinion, or it's what the Bible plainly states.


The Bible does not state that the world of Adam was an enclosed biosphere much smaller than our own. It does say that God planted a garden in the East, in Eden, and placed the man in it.

Some rocks such as limestone DO dissolve in water. Scripture doesn't state that the Earth was "clean dissolved" in the flood; Isaiah is prophesying a future event, not retelling the flood story.


That simply isn't what Scripture states. It says that the waters prevailed 15 cubits above the highest hills. 15 cubits, by a standard medieval cubit, is 22.5 feet.


Scripture doesn't state that there were "only" four rivers. Rather, it identifies four rivers that were formed by the river flowing out of Eden.


Genesis 7:20 does not say anything about 150 days. Genesis 7:24 says that the waters prevailed upon the earth for 150 days. Genesis 8:4 says that in the seventh month, the ark came to rest in the mountains of Ararat.


It wasn't. Through careless reading you have come to erroneous conclusions.

Almost every scholar says it is angels who visited Job, you are calling all scholars ones with wild imaginations.

You are all alone with your decision that God speaks of prehistoric man (where did you get this in relation to bible?) was sons of God. You don't even have company with this wild imagination, you are off on a flight of your own.

Do you think it was men from before history that visited Job?

When you say that sons of God is prehistoric mankind, it makes your entire reasoning suspect. Scripture does not say this is so. In Job it speaks of sons of God saying the angels who visited Job along with Satan. In that case it was calling angels sons of God. Next, in Genesis it speaks of sons of God, and most people do not believe they were angels because angels do not marry. That can be true and at the same time it was told in Enoch that 200 of the fallen angels (demons) of the order that can take on human form did marry. They did not marry each other as scripture tells us they do not, but married humans.

I don't see how any other interpretation is possible, even though these angels married humans. What is overlooked is that we are told one order of angels can take on human form. That is mentioned in Hebrews, saying we must be hospitable because it may be angels we are serving. There are instances in the OT telling of angels in human form.

In approved scripture there is very little about the sons of God marrying humans and producing evil beings, but the book of Enoch explains it well. That book was accepted as scripture until the Catholic Church decided it was too Jewish. It explains what our scripture leaves out.

speaks of sons of God, and most people do not believe they were angels because angels do not marry.

Dear Blik,

It does not matter whether I am alone or NOT with my understanding of the Scripture. I have supported my posts with Scriptural analysis, Science findings, historical facts and most importantly, I provided this thread Scriptural Proof texts to support my views and Biblical Stand of the matter.

You on the other hand, could not explain the position you took when you TRY to refute my posts and failed miserably.... You were also asked IF you have ANY support to validate your views... BUT, you seem to FAIL also on this matter and could not show us any proof of anything but another BLUFF!...

Well, in that case, you are free to believe what you want... BUT... next time, please do NOT use my posts to promote Goatherder's Theology...based on wild imagination of men... .

Bye... and wish you more understanding...

Just a observation of scripture but it appears that demons do have the ability to transform things, it’s possible to transform into a human yet it be of counterfeit miracle, a deception, a enchantment.

Exodus 7:11
But Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers; so the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments.

Rev 16:14
For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

Yet even the magicians knew the difference, they could not produce lice from sand but lice on human and beast.

Exodus 8 18-19
18 Now the magicians so worked with their enchantments to bring forth lice, but they could not. So there were lice on man and beast.
19 Then the magicians said to Pharaoh, “This is the finger of God.” But Pharaoh’s heart grew hard, and he did not heed them, just as the Lord had said.

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