Discussing Noah's Flood - Mysteries & Theories
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When you say that sons of God is prehistoric mankind, it makes your entire reasoning suspect. Scripture does not say this is so. In Job it speaks of sons of God saying the angels who visited Job along with Satan. In that case it was calling angels sons of God. Next, in Genesis it speaks of sons of God, and most people do not believe they were angels because angels do not marry. That can be true and at the same time it was told in Enoch that 200 of the fallen angels (demons) of the order that can take on human form did marry. They did not marry each other as scripture tells us they do not, but married humans.
I don't see how any other interpretation is possible, even though these angels married humans. What is overlooked is that we are told one order of angels can take on human form. That is mentioned in Hebrews, saying we must be hospitable because it may be angels we are serving. There are instances in the OT telling of angels in human form.
In approved scripture there is very little about the sons of God marrying humans and producing evil beings, but the book of Enoch explains it well. That book was accepted as scripture until the Catholic Church decided it was too Jewish. It explains what our scripture leaves out.
speaks of sons of God, and most people do not believe they were angels because angels do not marry.
I don't see how any other interpretation is possible, even though these angels married humans. What is overlooked is that we are told one order of angels can take on human form. That is mentioned in Hebrews, saying we must be hospitable because it may be angels we are serving. There are instances in the OT telling of angels in human form.
In approved scripture there is very little about the sons of God marrying humans and producing evil beings, but the book of Enoch explains it well. That book was accepted as scripture until the Catholic Church decided it was too Jewish. It explains what our scripture leaves out.
speaks of sons of God, and most people do not believe they were angels because angels do not marry.
Dear Blik,
The reasons Prehistoric Creatures or Mankind are called “sons of God“ is because, in the eyes of the God, they were innocent creatures / beings (who do not have the knowledge of “good and evil”) …. who also received the blessings from God (Trinity) on the 5th Day - to be fruitful and multiply (Gen 1:22-23). - the same blessing also given also to A&E on the 6th Day when they were created in the image and likeness of God. Gen 1:26-27 and 5:1-3 Read and learn:
Gen 1:22-23 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. v23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
Now, for continuing discussion, show us where you see angles are being described as “son of God” in ref. to your cited Book of Job?.
Well, it is because, you continue to use other books other than Scripture - switching back and forth - perhaps, because you don't not understand. I will suggest to pray for more wisdom and understanding.
Again, the problem is because you don't fully understand the Scripture! and your understanding is convoluted between what you want to believe... based on Ancient Goat Herders Theology... and what our accepted Scripture is actually saying. Sorry.
The reasons Prehistoric Creatures or Mankind are called “sons of God“ is because, in the eyes of the God, they were innocent creatures / beings (who do not have the knowledge of “good and evil”) …. who also received the blessings from God (Trinity) on the 5th Day - to be fruitful and multiply (Gen 1:22-23). - the same blessing also given also to A&E on the 6th Day when they were created in the image and likeness of God. Gen 1:26-27 and 5:1-3 Read and learn:
Gen 1:22-23 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. v23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
Now, for continuing discussion, show us where you see angles are being described as “son of God” in ref. to your cited Book of Job?.
Well, it is because, you continue to use other books other than Scripture - switching back and forth - perhaps, because you don't not understand. I will suggest to pray for more wisdom and understanding.
Again, the problem is because you don't fully understand the Scripture! and your understanding is convoluted between what you want to believe... based on Ancient Goat Herders Theology... and what our accepted Scripture is actually saying. Sorry.
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In fact Blik, the continuing context of the SAME cited verses below should be suffice enough to REFUTE the ERRORS and WILD IMAGINATIONS of traditional of men' Goatherder’s Theology.
Read and learn:
[Gen 6:1-3 KJV] 1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,. v2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with Man, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
Obviously, the Lord was totally disgusted to see the daughters of men forming a union of marriage with the prehistoric beings or sons of God. Gen 6:3 since the Lord knows that those combinations would produce men of brutish beast - mighty men of old. Therefore, the Lord cuts mankind's lifespan to a 90% or 120 years duration only. The more older the Heathens get, the more meaner they get.
FYI, Prehistoric Creatures or Mankind are Made of FLESH-- however, Angels are Eternal spiritual beings and NOT made of Flesh.... as document in the Scripture above - Gen 6:3
Btw, also, Angels do NOT Die since they are made eternal spiritual beings and NOT flesh in order to cut their lifespan to 90% or up 120 years old lifespan duration only - as stated in the cited text above Gen 6:3.
Read and learn:
[Gen 6:1-3 KJV] 1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,. v2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with Man, for that he also [is] flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
Obviously, the Lord was totally disgusted to see the daughters of men forming a union of marriage with the prehistoric beings or sons of God. Gen 6:3 since the Lord knows that those combinations would produce men of brutish beast - mighty men of old. Therefore, the Lord cuts mankind's lifespan to a 90% or 120 years duration only. The more older the Heathens get, the more meaner they get.
FYI, Prehistoric Creatures or Mankind are Made of FLESH-- however, Angels are Eternal spiritual beings and NOT made of Flesh.... as document in the Scripture above - Gen 6:3
Btw, also, Angels do NOT Die since they are made eternal spiritual beings and NOT flesh in order to cut their lifespan to 90% or up 120 years old lifespan duration only - as stated in the cited text above Gen 6:3.
P
This is what happens when we limit God to our understanding. Placing a foolish theroy to break down the mighty hand of the Lord to make it believable. All over the world evidence is found of a great world wide flood. The scares of the retreating water alone are undeniable.
God's word is proven. 21 ft of water could never do the damage caused by the flood. Plus you would need more than that for the ark to stay afloat.
It is said if Satan can make the book of Genesis seem like a fairytale then he has successfully succeeded in presenting God the same.
God has left the remains of his first judgement in plain view as a reminder that a second is to follow.
God's word is proven. 21 ft of water could never do the damage caused by the flood. Plus you would need more than that for the ark to stay afloat.
It is said if Satan can make the book of Genesis seem like a fairytale then he has successfully succeeded in presenting God the same.
God has left the remains of his first judgement in plain view as a reminder that a second is to follow.
Dear pottersclay,
Instead of harping ))))))))))))))))))) from the outside and whine about my post, WHY don't you show us your Ancient Traditional Goatherder's Theology or understanding of the Scripture - perhaps, contrary to what I have posted or claimed. By it, you'll gain more credibility.
You have a minute, I promise I won't laugh and will behave myself. Thanks
Instead of harping ))))))))))))))))))) from the outside and whine about my post, WHY don't you show us your Ancient Traditional Goatherder's Theology or understanding of the Scripture - perhaps, contrary to what I have posted or claimed. By it, you'll gain more credibility.
You have a minute, I promise I won't laugh and will behave myself. Thanks
]Dear Blik,
The reasons Prehistoric Creatures or Mankind are called “sons of God“ is because, in the eyes of the God, they were innocent creatures / beings (who do not have the knowledge of “good and evil”) …. who also received the blessings from God (Trinity) on the 5th Day - to be fruitful and multiply (Gen 1:22-23). - the same blessing also given also to A&E on the 6th Day when they were created in the image and likeness of God. Gen 1:26-27 and 5:1-3 Read and learn:
Gen 1:22-23 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. v23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
If you will just read and believe scripture you will find that it does NOT tell us that when
God used the term "sons of God" in Genisus and in Job God was NOT refering to prehistoris man. We are told not to read into scripture but to accept what God tells us.
Now, for continuing discussion, show us where you see angles are being described as “son of God” in ref. to your cited Book of Job?.
Job 1:6, 2:1, and 38:7.
Well, it is because, you continue to use other books other than Scripture - switching back and forth - perhaps, because you don't not understand. I will suggest to pray for more wisdom and understanding.
If you refuse to accept any history, or anything that tells us of times other than todays newspapers, that is up to you. Don't whine to me about it. There are ways of checking authenticity of historical documents, it is up to us to use them.
Again, the problem is because you don't fully understand the Scripture! and your understanding is convoluted between what you want to believe... based on Ancient Goat Herders Theology... and what our accepted Scripture is actually saying. Sorry.] Well, if we are using this site to point and wag fingers at people, I think you better go wash your face before you wag them at me.
The reasons Prehistoric Creatures or Mankind are called “sons of God“ is because, in the eyes of the God, they were innocent creatures / beings (who do not have the knowledge of “good and evil”) …. who also received the blessings from God (Trinity) on the 5th Day - to be fruitful and multiply (Gen 1:22-23). - the same blessing also given also to A&E on the 6th Day when they were created in the image and likeness of God. Gen 1:26-27 and 5:1-3 Read and learn:
Gen 1:22-23 And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. v23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
If you will just read and believe scripture you will find that it does NOT tell us that when
God used the term "sons of God" in Genisus and in Job God was NOT refering to prehistoris man. We are told not to read into scripture but to accept what God tells us.
Now, for continuing discussion, show us where you see angles are being described as “son of God” in ref. to your cited Book of Job?.
Job 1:6, 2:1, and 38:7.
Well, it is because, you continue to use other books other than Scripture - switching back and forth - perhaps, because you don't not understand. I will suggest to pray for more wisdom and understanding.
If you refuse to accept any history, or anything that tells us of times other than todays newspapers, that is up to you. Don't whine to me about it. There are ways of checking authenticity of historical documents, it is up to us to use them.
Again, the problem is because you don't fully understand the Scripture! and your understanding is convoluted between what you want to believe... based on Ancient Goat Herders Theology... and what our accepted Scripture is actually saying. Sorry.] Well, if we are using this site to point and wag fingers at people, I think you better go wash your face before you wag them at me.
Okay, let us both see that actual Scripture that you cited...see below
Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, AND all the sons of God shouted for joy?
I don’t see ANYWHERE in the cited Scripture that “angels” are also referred to as “sons of God”, do you?... Would you like to explain your thought further why you think so? Or perhaps, this is another case of Ancient Goatherders’ Theology teachings - that is based on wild imagination of men. correct?
Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, AND all the sons of God shouted for joy?
I don’t see ANYWHERE in the cited Scripture that “angels” are also referred to as “sons of God”, do you?... Would you like to explain your thought further why you think so? Or perhaps, this is another case of Ancient Goatherders’ Theology teachings - that is based on wild imagination of men. correct?
Btw Blik.... On the other hand,unless you believe in Macro-Evolution, there is no reason for you to argue Scripturally about it, since based on the Scripture, Angels are spiritual beings and do NOT have flesh and bone, therefore, would not be able to have sex with Humans - so much so, produce offspring, together. - do you believe in Macro-Evolution?.
As I have posted before: NO angel can be in Heaven IF they are made of Flesh, because flesh and blood cannot enter heaven. 1Co 15:50
Heb 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
Again, unless one believes in Macro-Evolution.... Angels are spiritual beings and do NOT have flesh and bone, therefore, could NOT have sex with Humans. We are confined to our own kinds (ManKind) to be able reproduce.
In fact, Fallen Angels are kept in chains under the darkness until Judgment. Jude 1:6 . So please explain Scripturally HOW fallen Angels, who do NOT marry nor produce children with Humans, got out of their Chains, came to Earth and produced these Giants?
As I have posted before: NO angel can be in Heaven IF they are made of Flesh, because flesh and blood cannot enter heaven. 1Co 15:50
Heb 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
Again, unless one believes in Macro-Evolution.... Angels are spiritual beings and do NOT have flesh and bone, therefore, could NOT have sex with Humans. We are confined to our own kinds (ManKind) to be able reproduce.
In fact, Fallen Angels are kept in chains under the darkness until Judgment. Jude 1:6 . So please explain Scripturally HOW fallen Angels, who do NOT marry nor produce children with Humans, got out of their Chains, came to Earth and produced these Giants?
Almost every scholar says it is angels who visited Job, you are calling all scholars ones with wild imaginations.
You are all alone with your decision that God speaks of prehistoric man (where did you get this in relation to bible?) was sons of God. You don't even have company with this wild imagination, you are off on a flight of your own.
Do you think it was men from before history that visited Job?
You are all alone with your decision that God speaks of prehistoric man (where did you get this in relation to bible?) was sons of God. You don't even have company with this wild imagination, you are off on a flight of your own.
Do you think it was men from before history that visited Job?
K
The angels mating thing is interesting, Jude which was written much later than anything in the OT. So the author and what he said about angels not keeping their proper domain left their own abode thus now are in chains for what they had done with humans. surely scripture doesn’t say the domain or abode is heaven but could very well mean the place after the casting out of heaven.
Jude 6
6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;
Jude 6
6 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;
Dear Blik,
It does not matter whether I am alone or NOT with my understanding of the Scripture. I have supported my posts with Scriptural analysis, Science findings, historical facts and most importantly, I provided this thread Scriptural Proof texts to support my views and Biblical Stand of the matter.
You on the other hand, could not explain the position you took when you TRY to refute my posts and failed miserably.... You were also asked IF you have ANY support to validate your views... BUT, you seem to FAIL also on this matter and could not show us any proof of anything but another BLUFF!...
Well, in that case, you are free to believe what you want... BUT... next time, please do NOT use my posts to promote Goatherder's Theology...based on wild imagination of men... .
Bye... and wish you more understanding...
It does not matter whether I am alone or NOT with my understanding of the Scripture. I have supported my posts with Scriptural analysis, Science findings, historical facts and most importantly, I provided this thread Scriptural Proof texts to support my views and Biblical Stand of the matter.
You on the other hand, could not explain the position you took when you TRY to refute my posts and failed miserably.... You were also asked IF you have ANY support to validate your views... BUT, you seem to FAIL also on this matter and could not show us any proof of anything but another BLUFF!...
Well, in that case, you are free to believe what you want... BUT... next time, please do NOT use my posts to promote Goatherder's Theology...based on wild imagination of men... .
Bye... and wish you more understanding...
K
Just a observation of scripture but it appears that demons do have the ability to transform things, it’s possible to transform into a human yet it be of counterfeit miracle, a deception, a enchantment.
Exodus 7:11
But Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers; so the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments.
Rev 16:14
For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Yet even the magicians knew the difference, they could not produce lice from sand but lice on human and beast.
Exodus 8 18-19
18 Now the magicians so worked with their enchantments to bring forth lice, but they could not. So there were lice on man and beast.
19 Then the magicians said to Pharaoh, “This is the finger of God.” But Pharaoh’s heart grew hard, and he did not heed them, just as the Lord had said.
Exodus 7:11
But Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers; so the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments.
Rev 16:14
For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Yet even the magicians knew the difference, they could not produce lice from sand but lice on human and beast.
Exodus 8 18-19
18 Now the magicians so worked with their enchantments to bring forth lice, but they could not. So there were lice on man and beast.
19 Then the magicians said to Pharaoh, “This is the finger of God.” But Pharaoh’s heart grew hard, and he did not heed them, just as the Lord had said.
I an NOT free to believe as I want, nor are you. We are asked to search and report on facts. We give ourselves to Christ and live through Him. To tell something of the Lord that is not the truth is not living through Christ. Therefore, I am very careful to check and recheck everything as I learn God's ways. If you or I are in error it is serious, we need to learn God's ways.
