Why Christians get a bad rap amongst the Jews...(an example)

The bible, see my prior post.

Edited to add, the opening poster did not want the identity of the "Jews" discussed, see his previous comments.

No, you did not get it from the bible. I saw your post. What you posted is a normal amill or preterist response.

But this is off topic. So will let it be.

Everybody is a victim and can blame someone else.

No, not like Jews were victims in the Holocaust. And Jew hatred from some of the early church fathers, Catholicism and Protestants caused this victimization.

Yeah, this is a good excuse for the Jew-haters who have given Christians a bad name.

How would you like to have your government pin a cross on you so that you could be targeted for any kind of attack by anyone, including the gas chambers?

pretty straightforward to me.

Interesting thing about martin luther is that apparently he was the guy who didnt quite believe that with faith comes works.

The lutheran church has a lot to answer for, it would have been this church that stood by and did nothing as hitler implemented his regime.

This is my surmising though, of course i wasnt there at the time but I do wonder why christians in germany would get a bad rap for not standing up to hitler. Faith is active, but if faith stood by and did nothing cos it was 'faith alone' then it would have been not faith at all. It would be like Rahab not sending the spies another way but just telling the spies oh I will pray for you.

This happened in Germany starting in 1941 until the end of WW 2 in 1944. It can not be made the case that Nazism had any connection to Christianity.
Atrocities have been committed to every ethic group at some time in history.
Trying to connect the Nazi treatment of Jews to their so called hatred of Christianity is utter stupidity.
Right now it is Christians who are moving Jews out of Muslim controlled countries where they are oppressed, Eastern Europe and Russia where they are oppressed and starving under socialism, back to Israel where they want to be, and feeding the and housing them, and educating them and all sorts of wonderful good humanitarian stuff.
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As many Jews that I have met I have never heard one say they hate Christians. I even listen to several Jewish radio hosts who as international personalities only espouse good sentiment toward Christians.
A few bitter people are not the representative of the whole. They are miserable outliers. The sad part is that they are not the ones who actually suffer. The ones who actually suffer blame only their afflictor, and willingly accept and love anyone who shows any compassion toward them.
Only in the Western world does such hypersensitivity exist... Where the spoiled are spoiled rotten.

And so was every ethnic group that ever existed at some time in history oppressed, exploited, and abused.
The American working class and farmers had to fight for fair treatment right up to the 50s. Do a little research on the industrialization of America, Unions, child labour laws, and trust busting, and you will find very brutal tactics used against the good old working Joe America.

Oh and also, the Jewish Holocaust had nothing to do with Christianity. Nazism and Christianity have no connection.

We had a speaker on sunday, who was brought up hindu but become a christian talk about being fostered by a jewish christian lady. She had escaped the concentration camps. Now he ministers the gospel to israeli travellers to my country and they go back to Israel and tell others about Jesus.

I have never heard any jewish people say bad things about christians. They might not understand our customs as we dont understand theirs, but I have been to a few messianic gatherings and they all love Jesus/Yeshua the same as gentiles. I think its really only the orthodox ones that are quite closed off because their lifestyle is so segregated.

Nazism has nothing to do with christianity. But going back further in history its not anything to do with christians either just govts not liking a transient people group overstaying their welcome just as the egyptians started being hard on the hebrews and the babylonians and assyrians. The jewish diaspora was far and wide but God wants to call them home back to the land he promised them.

I use to say the same thing until I began looking into history. Then I learned about Replacement Theology and read what some of the church fathers like Martin Luther said. Luther was revered in Germany and what he said about the Jews,( that they were pigs, their synagogues should be burned down, that they were forever cursed and had no God), directly influenced the German people and how they saw Jews and how they let the Holocaust happen on their doorstep.

that is a direct result of what happened at the cross when they yelled to Jesus "His blood be on us and our offspring". it sure has been hasnt it? and will continue to be until they turn to Jesus

it certainly is a poor testament of Jesus to be mistreating jews. just as it is mistreating any group of people. i dont buy into zionism or the political american agenda, i stay far far away from all that. Jesus didnt call us to look into earthly evil rulers, but to focus on the kingdom of God.

i guess the truth im getting at is: if you study on how to become a citizen of israel, it has nothing to do with being a descendant of abraham. it has all to do with religion. you can convert to orthodox judaism today and get your citizenship tomorrow.. thats not a descendant of abraham. thats a son of a convert as most rabbis admit they themselves are.

Justin Martyr -- Considered a saint by the Roman Catholic Church, the Anglican Church, the Eastern Orthodox Church, and the Oriental Orthodox Churches. ( a Christian apologist)

"The custom of circumcising the flesh, handed down from Abraham, was given to you as a distinguishing mark, to set you off from other nations and from us Christians. The purpose of this was that you and only you might suffer the afflictions that are now justly yours; that only your land be desolated, and you cities ruined by fire, that the fruits of you land be eaten by strangers before your very eyes; that not one of you be permitted to enter your city of Jerusalem. Your circumcision of the flesh is the only mark by which you can certainly be distinguished from other men…as I stated before it was by reason of your sins and the sins of your fathers that, among other precepts, God imposed upon you the observance of the sabbath as a mark."


Origen of Alexandria--A ecclesiastical writer and teacher who contributed to the early formation of Christian doctrines.

"We may thus assert in utter confidence that the Jews will not return to their earlier situation, for they have committed the most abominable of crimes, in forming this conspiracy against the Savior of the human race…hence the city where Jesus suffered was necessarily destroyed, the Jewish nation was driven from its country, and another people was called by God to the blessed election."


John Chrysostom-- One of the "greatest" of church fathers; known as "The Golden Mouthed." A missionary preacher famous for his sermons and addresses.

"The synagogue is worse than a brothel…it is the den of scoundrels and the repair of wild beasts…the temple of demons devoted to idolatrous cults…the refuge of brigands and dabauchees, and the cavern of devils. It is a criminal assembly of Jews…a place of meeting for the assassins of Christ… a house worse than a drinking shop…a den of thieves, a house of ill fame, a dwelling of iniquity, the refuge of devils, a gulf and a abyss of perdition."…"I would say the same things about their souls… As for me, I hate the synagogue…I hate the Jews for the same reason."


Peter the Venerable – known as "the meekest of men, a model of Christian charity"

Yes, you Jews. I say, do I address you; you, who till this very day, deny the Son of God. How long, poor wretches, will ye not believe the truth? Truly I doubt whether a Jew can be really human… I lead out from its den a monstrous animal, and show it as a laughing stock in the amphitheater of the world, in the sight of all the people. I bring thee forward, thou Jew, thou brute beast, in the sight of all men.



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Martin Luther

What then shall we Christians do with this damned, rejected race of Jews? Since they live among us and we know about their lying and blasphemy and cursing, we can not tolerate them if we do not wish to share in their lies, curses, and blasphemy. In this way we cannot quench the inextinguishable fire of divine rage nor convert the Jews. We must prayerfully and reverentially practice a merciful severity. Perhaps we may save a few from the fire and flames [of hell].

First, their synagogues should be set on fire, and whatever does not burn up should be covered or spread over with dirt so that no one may ever be able to see a cinder or stone of it. And this ought to be done for the honor of God and of Christianity in order that God may see that we are Christians, and that we have not wittingly tolerated or approved of such public lying, cursing, and blaspheming of His Son and His Christians.


Secondly, their homes should likewise be broken down and destroyed. For they perpetrate the same things there that they do in their synagogues. For this reason they ought to be put under one roof or in a stable, like gypsies, in order that they may realize that they are not masters in our land, as they boast, but miserable captives, as they complain of incessantly before God with bitter wailing.Thirdly, they should be deprived of their prayer-books and Talmuds…

Fourthly, their rabbis must be forbidden under threat of death to teach any more...Fifthly, passport and traveling privileges should be absolutely forbidden to the Jews. Let them stay at home...If you princes and nobles do not close the road legally to such exploiters, then some troop ought to ride against them, for they will learn from this pamphlet what the Jews are and how to handle them and that they ought not to be protected. You ought not, you cannot protect them, unless in the eyes of God you want to share all their abomination...

To sum up, dear princes and nobles who have Jews in your domains, if this advice of mine does not suit you, then find a better one so that you and we may all be free of this insufferable devilish burden - the Jews...

Such a desperate, thoroughly evil, poisonous, and devilish lot are these Jews, who for these fourteen hundred years have been and still are our plague, our pestilence, and our misfortune.


I have read and heard many stories about the Jews which agree with this judgment of Christ, namely, how they have poisoned wells, made assassinations, kidnapped children, as related before. I have heard that one Jew sent another Jew, and this by means of a Christian, a pot of blood, together with a barrel of wine, in which when drunk empty, a dead Jew was found. There are many other similar stories. For their kidnapping of children they have often been burned at the stake or banished (as we already heard). I am well aware that they deny all of this. However, it all coincides with the judgment of Christ which declares that they are venomous, bitter, vindictive, tricky serpents, assassins, and children of the devil, who sting and work harm stealthily wherever they cannot do it openly. For this reason, I would like to see them where there are no Christians. The Turks and other heathen do not tolerate what we Christians endure from these venomous serpents and young devils...next to the devil, a Christian has no more bitter and galling foe than a Jew. There is no other to whom we accord as many benefactions and from whom we suffer as much as we do from these base children of the devil, this brood of vipers.


Yes, so shall Jews, but no one else be punished, who held your word and miracles in contempt and ridiculed, insulted and damned it for such a long time without interruption, so that they will not fall, like other humans, heathens and all the others, into sin and death, not up in Hell, nor in the middle of Hell but in the pit of Hell, as one cannot fall deeper...


Even if they were punished in the most gruesome manner that the streets ran with their blood, that their dead would be counted, not in the hundred thousands, but in the millions, as happened under Vespasian in Jerusalem and for evil under Hadrian, still they must insist on being right even if after these 1,500 years they were in misery another 1,500 years, still God must be a liar and they must be correct. In sum, they are the devil’s children, damned to Hell...

The Jews too got what they deserved. They had been called and elected to be God’s mouth as Jeremiah says...Open your mouth wide and I will fill it; they however, kept tightly closed their muzzles, eyes, ears, nose, whole heart and all senses, so he polluted and squirted them so full that it oozes from them in all places and devil’s filth comes from them.

Yes, that tastes good to them, into their hearts, they smack their lips like swine. That is how they want it. Call more: ‘Crucify him, crucify him.’ Scream more: ‘His blood come upon us and our children.’ (Matthew 27:25) I mean it came and found you...

Perhaps, one of the merciful Saints among us Christians may think I am behaving too crude and disdainfully against the poor, miserable Jews in that I deal with them so sarcastically and insulting. But, good God, I am much too mild in insulting such devils…


John Calvin

Their [the Jews] rotten and unbending stiffneckedness deserves that they be oppressed unendingly and without measure or end and that they die in their misery without the pity of anyone.



The truth is that Christianity and Catholicism did contribute to the Holocaust as you can see from above. Luther was considered a prophet,almost, to the Germans. There is no wonder that Jewish people are wary of Christians that come trying to convert them. I don't believe Jews hate Christians, I do believe they mistrust Christians, and honestly,who could blame them?

Jews mistrust Christians?

Maybe the Jews putting the first Christians to death may have been part of the cause of some of the first dis-trust?

Defending Jews to Christians is like defending Nazis to Jews.

You don't see too much of that. I wonder why not?