Blaspheme of the Holy Spirit

And since it seems you struggle with interpreting scripture, the SIGN I mentioned can be found in Matthew 24 (other references found in Mark, Luke, and the Book of Acts). Where Yeshua begins with, "AFTER the Great Tribulation (7 year - the one yet to come), the sun will turn into darkness and the moon into blood, the suffering will be so great that God will shorten the days for the ELECT'S SAKE (means no pre-trib/mid-trib, we will be going through the entire ordeal), and soon after like Lightning streaking from East to West Yeshua will return (the SECOND COMING) and Yeshua will send His Angels to gather the ELECT!!

So technically, there are SIGNS ^ that Yeshua INSTRUCTED us to pay attention for.

But since you don't look for those specific signs or any sign at all, I'm sure someone with a CLUE will help you out when that time eventually comes

Mark 3:
20Then Jesus went home, and once again a crowd gathered, so that He and His disciples could not even eat. 21When His family heard about this, they went out to take custody of Him, saying, “He is out of His mind.”
22And the scribes who had come down from Jerusalem were saying, “He is possessed by Beelzebul,” and, “By the prince of the demons He drives out demons.”
23So Jesus called them together and began to speak to them in parables: “How can Satan drive out Satan? 24If a kingdom is divided against itself, it cannot stand. 25If a house is divided against itself, it cannot stand. 26And if Satan is divided and rises against himself, he cannot stand; his end has come. 27Indeed, no one can enter a strong man’s house to steal his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man. Then he can plunder his house.
28Truly I tell you, the sons of men will be forgiven all sins and blasphemies, as many as they utter. 29But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of eternal sin.”
30Jesus made this statement because they were saying, “He has an unclean spirit.”

Matthew 12:
22Then a demon-possessed man who was blind and mute was brought to Jesus, and He healed the man so that he could speak and see. 23The crowds were astounded and asked, “Could this be the Son of David?”
24But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “Only by Beelzebul, the prince of the demons, does this man drive out demons.”
25Knowing their thoughts, Jesus said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself will be laid waste, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand. 26If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand?
27And if I drive out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your sons drive them out? So then, they will be your judges. 28But if I drive out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
29How can anyone enter a strong man’s house and steal his possessions, unless he first ties up the strong man? Then he can plunder his house.
30He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters.
31Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the one to come.

Joe cessationist:

"The gifts have ceased and ALL exercise of them is demonic"

Again, serious implications come out when one believes that the gifts of the Holy spirit meant that God indwells the person.
Nope. They were God given, temporary abilities toward achieving a certain goal and that goal was to establish the church.

One is given the ability to heal and another one the ability to teach. Meaning that, there was not a point that the person with the ability to heal, will loose it and gain another ability. If you got one, you would excel in it because it was temporary. But apostalship was great because they could excel in all the gifts.

More like Nahum's donkey; it was temporarily enabled by God to speak. Anyone would have mocked that donkey's ability it wouldn't said that they are mocking God. IMO, what that donkey had was a spiritual gift that achieved its goal at that moment.

God only started dwelling in human hearts during the church era not during church establishment. And for that reason, Paul would say things like:

1 Cor 13:8Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears.

Heb 10:25not giving up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but encouraging one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching.
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36You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised. 37For, “In just a little while, he who is coming will come and will not delay.”

Claiming that God dwells in you and you are still not complete/perfect, is a contradiction.

Ummm, worshipping will allow the holy Spirit to edify those around you. There are many benefits we get from the Holy Spirit. Ever heard the Old Timers use a phrase "Prayer Warriors?" People who understand how to Pray in the Spirit, and as a result, the manifestations of God are allowed to work. These people spoke in Tongues.

And I like how you use the example of BREAKING BREAD since it actually ever happens any more.

The TRUE DEFINITION of Breaking Bread is not the gathering of people, it's me taking a loaf of bread and breaking a piece off and passing it to the next person who does the same thing. It's the handling of the Bread, everyone's hand touches the Bread.

We don't do this any more.
And if we did, here is what we would sadly hear:

1. Did you wash your hands?
2. Germs lead to death, and you never know what is being passed when everyone touches something we aim to eat.
3. Before we even get to numbers 1 & 2, we have to sit only by someone we associate with.

I could list many more but why, when I know, that NO ONE is actually Breaking bread properly like Yeshua and the Disciples did!!

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No have not seen one and if I did, I would sit it next to the toilet in case I ran out of paper!!

My wife was the daughter of a Baptist Pastor when I was first married. She was like many here, who thought Pentecostals were not following the direction of God, and her Dad also taught that the Gift of Tongues had ceased. I sincerely tried and gave it my very best by attending at their church and being a good member and example for the family's sake. But it was horrible. I have NEVER been so miserable knowing there was so much freedom in God that the Baptist wasn't going to allow. And with God, there are no restrictions when the Holy Spirit wants to move. And sadly, these Baptist would literally thwart the movement of God

Finally after service eating lunch one Sunday, I told my Father n Law you suck as preacher and Bible Teacher and God is going to hold you accountable for trying to control what HE wants to do. Then i told my wife who obviously was with us, you can threaten me all you want about attending your church. But I would rather be divorced than to spend another minute in such a DEAD ATMOSPHERE where there is no freedom to praise and worship God. I got up and left and NEVER went back.

My family comes from a long line of Pastors, Evangelists, Bible Teachers and I just went back home to church.

Of course, I did not divorce my wife, and we still lived together but just went to separate churches. She must have been really laying it on her Dad to get me back to their church or to do something. We were in Revival on a Friday evening when my wife, her Dad and Mother walked in and sat down closer to the front. It was ironic, because I was just getting the musicians ready for the worship songs they had prepared. It was typical at the beginning, many were singing while some was praying and others were in worship. The Evangelist we had for the revival asked, if they could play a song he really felt would lead into people getting more focused upon God. Oh, and did it ever.

Long story short, my father n Law today is a Pentecostal Minister, who not only speaks in Tongues, but obviously no longer preaches that Gift has ceased. And I should have him join this site, because it's quite amazing what actually happened. When you ask why he made the change, he generally only says it in a few words. And those words go a little something like this, "I no longer have the pressures of that certain Denomination, and I never knew what God was actually capable of doing, until I stopped trying to control Him."

Why would I dismiss it Ricky? You must have a different opinion of me than how I really am.


I grew up with faith people and have witnessed many miracles.

But, I saw snake handlers in a documentary. I agree it's tempting the Lord.

let's examine scripture to see if we NEED to interpret what we pray when we pray in tongues

13 For this reason the one who speaks in a tongue should pray that they may interpret what they say. 14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays,but my mind is unfruitful. 15 ; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my understanding. 16 Otherwise when you are praising God in the Spirit, how can someone else, who is now put in the position of an inquirer,[d] say “Amen” to your thanksgiving, since they do not know what you are saying? 17 You are giving thanks well enough, but no one else is edified.
I Corinthians

no you do not need to interpret

Paul would not say pray that you might interpret in order to understand what you are praying if understanding at all times was the instruction. that is not the instruction however

I have done both but I find that I have a pretty good understanding of what I am praying most of the time or I will just start praying in English after praying in tongues and have found that the prayer in English is expressed in a different way then if I had just started praying in tongues

conversely, I start praying in English and I may or not, end up praying in tongues

this constant drip drip dripping of saying a person MUST understand what they pray is incorrect as scripture plainly states

I see no reason for anyone to get angry at this correction. I am simply stating what is actually in scripture and testifying to my own experience

to pray in the spirit in the context in which we find it in scripture, means to pray in tongues. praying in the spirit does change your prayer life. you will have a better understanding (edification) as we see, we can pray for understanding

Speaking of Old Song Hymnals, Do you remember the song that goes, "I see a Crimson Stream of Blood, and it flows from Calvary?"
G.T. Haywood wrote that song. G.T. Haywood was a Pentecostal Pioneer at the turn of the Century. My Grandfather was not only ordained by G.T. Haywood, but became one of the founding members of the "Assemblies of the Lord Jesus Christ."

Here is a video of G.T Haywood and if you freeze it at the 1:14 mark, G.T is the man appearing closest to you and the small Jewish man furthest left is my Grandfather:

If I did it correctly, the video will begin at the 1:14 mark when you push play and have the picture I am speaking about.

Signs like in Matthew are now being experienced around the corners of earth. Are you not going to hear the sound?

1 Thess. 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

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See this is exactly what I mean

You through around pray in the spirit like it is some special thing, and unless you are speaking in tongues you do not do it.

News flash.

I pray in the spirit all the time, as do many people I know. And we do not speak, or have the NEED to speak in an unknown tongue that NO ONE understands.

But if you think that is what it means, then fine..

But you better look inside dude, You get man when people do not agree with you

Can you explain how that is different than what you, ricky and others have done to people like me who share the same experience but not the signs, and you claim that we have not seeked the baptism of the spirit and have not felt Gods pure infilling? (Which is not only a lie, but a misapplication of what BAPTISM is!)

Thats what makes people mad, Your hypocrisy! (If you have not done this, you have not experienced God. And how dare you come at me because you have not experienced this) It is really no different that health and wealth if you look at it. That same attitude, only different topics! (This does not go for all of you. There have been many people I know, and even a few in here who are not this way, and do not attack people who disagree with them, praise god for those brothers and sisters! Who knows it must be the internet setting which makes people act the way they do)

and by the way, I pray I meet my aunt in heaven, If I do not, I will blame the pentecostle church of God she went to who scared her so bad because she could not speak. So she FAKED it, and the pastor had the GULL to interpret what she said. This caused he to leave and question if there was a God at all.


Not one of you have yet to answer HOW you can test the spirit if their is no UNDERSTANDING of the words or babble comming out of your mouth. That enough is PROOF that it CAN NOT come from God. Because the bible makes it CLEAR that we must test ALL spirit to make sure it comes from God.

Speaking in tongues? I believe God has a time and a place for it. As shown by many people. Praying in tongues? There is no biblical foundation that I have yet found for it,

I am sure like most churches, there are good pentecostle church and bad ones, it is par for the course, Sadly the church has left its original foundation and became run by mere men who are free to do really whatever they want, and their congregations act and treat them like they are God.. This has perverted the church and has for centuries. Thats why I praise God my church is leader centric. There is not one astor but many, And not one leader but at least 5. No man can take charge and all pastors and leaders are held accountable for what they teach. This is the way all churches should be.

The blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is the rejection of the witness of the Holy Spirit that Jesus is the Messiah. This is what the Pharisees were guilty of and since they rejected the witness of the Holy Spirit, there could be no salvation, hence the unforgiveable sin.

Personally for myself, I am not a big promoter of speaking in tongues. I practiced it for a while and once was told I seemed more encouraged after doing but I had doubts about it and if I should be doing it. Eventually I just could not shake that uncomfortable feeling I had about practicing tongues. I have since stopped trying to speak in tongues. I don't necessarily believe tongues have ceased. I don't see anywhere in Scripture that truly proves that. At the same time when it comes to tongues, I don't know what is real and genuine and of God verses what is fake or false.

I never have heard that hymn but I looked it up. Here is a video I found.

More like Nahum's donkey; it was temporarily enabled by God to speak. Anyone would have mocked that donkey's ability it wouldn't said that they are mocking God. IMO, what that donkey had was a spiritual gift that achieved its goal at that moment.