Blaspheme of the Holy Spirit

fredoheaven · Apr 12, 2019

Signs like in Matthew are now being experienced around the corners of earth. Are you not going to hear the sound?

1 Thess. 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

FollowHisSteps · Apr 12, 2019

RickyZ said:

Jesus was faced with the pharisees. Some did not have love in their hearts or desired to know God.
Healing miracles happened that only God could have performed. This means Jesus was a prophet.
The miracles clearly were done by God. Some said because Jesus opposed the teachers of the law,
he must be the enemy, and therefore the spirit he is using must be satan.

The principle and warning Jesus established was calling Jesus himself evil, wrong, etc could be forgiven,
but a work of the Holy Spirit that obviously brought praise and worship to God, could not be classified
as a work of the enemy and this would be counted as a sin against the Holy Spirit which would not be
forgiven. He appears to be saying if we blaspheme the Spirit, there is no hope for us, because it is the Spirit
who brings life and communion with God to us.

The difficulty is, is this a root rebellion against the Lord, shutting Him out of our hearts, or is this when
we have become so hard, we speak against all the things that might bring us back to Him so there is no
hope left for us. I go towards when people are so lost, that anything the Lord does causes us to shut Him
out, we cannot be forgiven. This is true of those who say things of God are things of the enemy.

Noose · Apr 12, 2019

Noose said:

Again, serious implications come out when one believes that the gifts of the Holy spirit meant that God indwells the person.
Nope. They were God given, temporary abilities toward achieving a certain goal and that goal was to establish the church.

One is given the ability to heal and another one the ability to teach. Meaning that, there was not a point that the person with the ability to heal, will loose it and gain another ability. If you got one, you would excel in it because it was temporary. But apostalship was great because they could excel in all the gifts.

More like Nahum's donkey; it was temporarily enabled by God to speak. Anyone would have mocked that donkey's ability it wouldn't said that they are mocking God. IMO, what that donkey had was a spiritual gift that achieved its goal at that moment.

God only started dwelling in human hearts during the church era not during church establishment. And for that reason, Paul would say things like:

1 Cor 13:8Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears.

Heb 10:25not giving up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but encouraging one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching.
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36You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised. 37For, “In just a little while, he who is coming will come and will not delay.”

Claiming that God dwells in you and you are still not complete/perfect, is a contradiction.

Correction.
Balaam's donkey.

eternally-gratefull · Apr 12, 2019

obedienttogod said:

See this is exactly what I mean

You through around pray in the spirit like it is some special thing, and unless you are speaking in tongues you do not do it.

News flash.

I pray in the spirit all the time, as do many people I know. And we do not speak, or have the NEED to speak in an unknown tongue that NO ONE understands.

But if you think that is what it means, then fine..

But you better look inside dude, You get man when people do not agree with you

Can you explain how that is different than what you, ricky and others have done to people like me who share the same experience but not the signs, and you claim that we have not seeked the baptism of the spirit and have not felt Gods pure infilling? (Which is not only a lie, but a misapplication of what BAPTISM is!)

Thats what makes people mad, Your hypocrisy! (If you have not done this, you have not experienced God. And how dare you come at me because you have not experienced this) It is really no different that health and wealth if you look at it. That same attitude, only different topics! (This does not go for all of you. There have been many people I know, and even a few in here who are not this way, and do not attack people who disagree with them, praise god for those brothers and sisters! Who knows it must be the internet setting which makes people act the way they do)

and by the way, I pray I meet my aunt in heaven, If I do not, I will blame the pentecostle church of God she went to who scared her so bad because she could not speak. So she FAKED it, and the pastor had the GULL to interpret what she said. This caused he to leave and question if there was a God at all.

Not one of you have yet to answer HOW you can test the spirit if their is no UNDERSTANDING of the words or babble comming out of your mouth. That enough is PROOF that it CAN NOT come from God. Because the bible makes it CLEAR that we must test ALL spirit to make sure it comes from God.

Speaking in tongues? I believe God has a time and a place for it. As shown by many people. Praying in tongues? There is no biblical foundation that I have yet found for it,

I am sure like most churches, there are good pentecostle church and bad ones, it is par for the course, Sadly the church has left its original foundation and became run by mere men who are free to do really whatever they want, and their congregations act and treat them like they are God.. This has perverted the church and has for centuries. Thats why I praise God my church is leader centric. There is not one astor but many, And not one leader but at least 5. No man can take charge and all pastors and leaders are held accountable for what they teach. This is the way all churches should be.

RickyZ · Apr 12, 2019

dcontroversal said:

You have to have seen the sales blurb

CherieR · Apr 12, 2019

obedienttogod said:

My wife was the daughter of a Baptist Pastor when I was first married. She was like many here, who thought Pentecostals were not following the direction of God, and her Dad also taught that the Gift of Tongues had ceased. I sincerely tried and gave it my very best by attending at their church and being a good member and example for the family's sake. But it was horrible. I have NEVER been so miserable knowing there was so much freedom in God that the Baptist wasn't going to allow. And with God, there are no restrictions when the Holy Spirit wants to move. And sadly, these Baptist would literally thwart the movement of God

Finally after service eating lunch one Sunday, I told my Father n Law you suck as preacher and Bible Teacher and God is going to hold you accountable for trying to control what HE wants to do. Then i told my wife who obviously was with us, you can threaten me all you want about attending your church. But I would rather be divorced than to spend another minute in such a DEAD ATMOSPHERE where there is no freedom to praise and worship God. I got up and left and NEVER went back.

My family comes from a long line of Pastors, Evangelists, Bible Teachers and I just went back home to church.

Of course, I did not divorce my wife, and we still lived together but just went to separate churches. She must have been really laying it on her Dad to get me back to their church or to do something. We were in Revival on a Friday evening when my wife, her Dad and Mother walked in and sat down closer to the front. It was ironic, because I was just getting the musicians ready for the worship songs they had prepared. It was typical at the beginning, many were singing while some was praying and others were in worship. The Evangelist we had for the revival asked, if they could play a song he really felt would lead into people getting more focused upon God. Oh, and did it ever.

Long story short, my father n Law today is a Pentecostal Minister, who not only speaks in Tongues, but obviously no longer preaches that Gift has ceased. And I should have him join this site, because it's quite amazing what actually happened. When you ask why he made the change, he generally only says it in a few words. And those words go a little something like this, "I no longer have the pressures of that certain Denomination, and I never knew what God was actually capable of doing, until I stopped trying to control Him."

Personally for myself, I am not a big promoter of speaking in tongues. I practiced it for a while and once was told I seemed more encouraged after doing but I had doubts about it and if I should be doing it. Eventually I just could not shake that uncomfortable feeling I had about practicing tongues. I have since stopped trying to speak in tongues. I don't necessarily believe tongues have ceased. I don't see anywhere in Scripture that truly proves that. At the same time when it comes to tongues, I don't know what is real and genuine and of God verses what is fake or false.

RickyZ · Apr 12, 2019

stonesoffire said:

Sorry I think I was under the impression that someone else wrote that post.

NayborBear · Apr 12, 2019

The way I see it? A believer in the "true" Christ, is incapable of committing the unforgivable sin. As Lord God Almighty, sets spirits, or blocks, in the preventing them from doing it!
Matthew 5
25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.

Yeah? I agree! It's quite the "growth stunter." But? Considering the alternative?

In Lord God Almighty's eyes? It's a sentence worthy in the keeping of EVERY believer! (apparently)
(perhaps, this can be seen by others, as works=salvation. or works FOR salvation?)
(sorry for the thread/topic "bleed.")

(the fact they are in "prison", and not cognizant of it?)

7seasrekeyed · Apr 12, 2019

let's examine scripture to see if we NEED to interpret what we pray when we pray in tongues

13 For this reason the one who speaks in a tongue should pray that they may interpret what they say. 14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays,but my mind is unfruitful. 15 ; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my understanding. 16 Otherwise when you are praising God in the Spirit, how can someone else, who is now put in the position of an inquirer,[d] say “Amen” to your thanksgiving, since they do not know what you are saying? 17 You are giving thanks well enough, but no one else is edified.
I Corinthians

no you do not need to interpret

Paul would not say pray that you might interpret in order to understand what you are praying if understanding at all times was the instruction. that is not the instruction however

I have done both but I find that I have a pretty good understanding of what I am praying most of the time or I will just start praying in English after praying in tongues and have found that the prayer in English is expressed in a different way then if I had just started praying in tongues

conversely, I start praying in English and I may or not, end up praying in tongues

this constant drip drip dripping of saying a person MUST understand what they pray is incorrect as scripture plainly states

I see no reason for anyone to get angry at this correction. I am simply stating what is actually in scripture and testifying to my own experience

to pray in the spirit in the context in which we find it in scripture, means to pray in tongues. praying in the spirit does change your prayer life. you will have a better understanding (edification) as we see, we can pray for understanding

7seasrekeyed · Apr 12, 2019

one more thing, is there a need to call tongues 'babble'? people here are babbling in English IMO because they do not know what they are talking about

calling people hypocrites is also uncalled for

Noose · Apr 12, 2019

7seasrekeyed said:

let's examine scripture to see if we NEED to interpret what we pray when we pray in tongues

13 For this reason the one who speaks in a tongue should pray that they may interpret what they say. 14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays,but my mind is unfruitful. 15 ; I will sing with my spirit, but I will also sing with my understanding. 16 Otherwise when you are praising God in the Spirit, how can someone else, who is now put in the position of an inquirer,[d] say “Amen” to your thanksgiving, since they do not know what you are saying? 17 You are giving thanks well enough, but no one else is edified.
I Corinthians

no you do not need to interpret

Paul would not say pray that you might interpret in order to understand what you are praying if understanding at all times was the instruction. that is not the instruction however

I have done both but I find that I have a pretty good understanding of what I am praying most of the time or I will just start praying in English after praying in tongues and have found that the prayer in English is expressed in a different way then if I had just started praying in tongues

conversely, I start praying in English and I may or not, end up praying in tongues

this constant drip drip dripping of saying a person MUST understand what they pray is incorrect as scripture plainly states

I see no reason for anyone to get angry at this correction. I am simply stating what is actually in scripture and testifying to my own experience

to pray in the spirit in the context in which we find it in scripture, means to pray in tongues. praying in the spirit does change your prayer life. you will have a better understanding (edification) as we see, we can pray for understanding

A prayer is a need, not necessarily a spoken word. It is absurd to hear that it is possible for someone not to know their needs.

If a prayer is a spoken word, what will they do those without the ability to speak? do they have a chance in the kingdom of God?
What about "pray without ceasing", does it mean talk all day all night?

rubberball · Apr 12, 2019

The blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is the rejection of the witness of the Holy Spirit that Jesus is the Messiah. This is what the Pharisees were guilty of and since they rejected the witness of the Holy Spirit, there could be no salvation, hence the unforgiveable sin.

CherieR · Apr 12, 2019

obedienttogod said:

Speaking of Old Song Hymnals, Do you remember the song that goes, "I see a Crimson Stream of Blood, and it flows from Calvary?"
G.T. Haywood wrote that song. G.T. Haywood was a Pentecostal Pioneer at the turn of the Century. My Grandfather was not only ordained by G.T. Haywood, but became one of the founding members of the "Assemblies of the Lord Jesus Christ."

Here is a video of G.T Haywood and if you freeze it at the 1:14 mark, G.T is the man appearing closest to you and the small Jewish man furthest left is my Grandfather:

If I did it correctly, the video will begin at the 1:14 mark when you push play and have the picture I am speaking about.

I never have heard that hymn but I looked it up. Here is a video I found.

obedienttogod · Apr 12, 2019

fredoheaven said:

AMEN!!

I was just listing the signs Yeshua mentioned we could see. Obviously, we can also see the weather patterns changing and increasing as the days go on.

obedienttogod · Apr 12, 2019

eternally-gratefull said:

I pray this same way as well. I always do not speak in Tongues. The only time I do speak in Tongues is for Spiritual Warfare and in a church service it edifies others.

It's like our Adversary. All throughout the Old Testament in the actual Hebrew Language, NO ONE called the entity that tried to make himself equal to God, the name (Satan). They referred to him as the Adversary. Even Yeshua used the Aramaic form of Adversary. Later on, the Greeks translated Adversary into Satan. So, I view this as if God calls him Adversary, he (the Adversary) then knows being called the Adversary is a DIRECT CORRELATION that I am speaking to him.

In other words, I do not say, Get Thee Behind Me, Satan. I say, Get Thee Behind Me Adversary of Yahweh in the NAME of Yeshua. He definitely for sure knows who I am speaking about.

In Tongues, even the Adversary is aware of the Language he once spoke himself in Heaven. And still can speak in the presence of God. So praying in Tongues in Spiritual Warfare is battling the Adversary while edifying the Holy Spirit of God!!

Basically, we have the scriptures in English. But those scriptures were not originally written in English, they were written in Hebrew. Therefore, using the Hebrew words have MORE POWER than using the various forms of translations. Even using the Proper Greek when referring to what Paul wrote, has more power than the Latin, English, Chinese, Japanese, etc forms of translations.

This is WHY I speak in Tongues. Because God and the Enemy understand it when I don't. But it is more important FOR THEM to know it, than for me to understand it!!

7seasrekeyed · Apr 12, 2019

rubberball said:

actually no

Truly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the children of man, and whatever blasphemies they utter, but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin’ — for they were saying, ‘He has an unclean spirit. Mark 3: 28-30

And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but the one who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven Luke 12:10

so what would that be?

doing some research, it appears that some denoms believe it is impossible for a Christian to commit this blasphemy as they are convinced within themselves that it only applied to Jesus addressing those who said He did what He did by the power of a demon

this, is of course quite a popular conclusion and these same denoms will tell you that the only unforgivable sin is dying in unbelief.

however, it should be noted that Jesus, for some odd reason that seems to have escaped the popular conclusion, referred the sin of blasphemy to an accusation against the Holy Spirit and not Himself

again, with reference to Luke above, Jesus says that every word spoken against Himself will be forgiven BUT the one who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven. so yes, while Jesus has ascended, the Holy Spirit has descended and He is on earth, now, and the recipient of some very choice words that seem to deny His presence and power

blasphemy is attributing the works of the Spirit of God to the devil. context in both references indicate that to be so

again, as can be seen from the verses above, in Jesus words, to speak against Him is forgivable

to attribute the work of the Holy Spirit to the devil is blaspheme

many reject Christ only to accept Him at a later date

Peter rejected Him and was forgiven

Saul/Paul rejected Him and was forgiven

if in this life you do not accept Christ then yes, your sins are not forgiven and that is a death sentence

but Jesus was not speaking about unforgiven sins. he was speaking about the sin...one sin not a bunch of them...that cannot be forgiven

Locoponydirtman · Apr 12, 2019

From what I understand blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, is to see his good works and still reject him so that you cut off the conviction of and therefore also the Spirit from granting repentance.

obedienttogod · Apr 12, 2019

CherieR said:

Yes, you need to know why the use of Tongues is important, why it is effective, and what the underlining sole purpose for it is before you ever get to the point of feeling good about using it. I went through the same thing. I watched it being done and how it seemed to effect some compared to others. So I went and studied. Took me a couple of years , and then one day, I was praying and I thought to myself to try and step out in FAITH and see what happens. I had no idea how to even start doing it. I did not know if there was a proper way to begin it. And I was worried sick I was going to mess up and do the opposite of what I was hoping to intend it for. Then it just felt like a warmth and comfort came over me, and my lips did stammer, and I believed it sounded more like a cat being shoved into a mailbox than a beautiful language edifying God. But as time went on, my faith grew more like my faith does in all other things pertaining to God. And today, it's like I am speaking in English when I speak in Tongues, it feels natural and comfortable. It feels that way because I did it in respect from beginning to now. God is the one who helped me because I asked Him to help!! I asked God, if this is real then HELP ME DO IT!! He did

obedienttogod · Apr 12, 2019

CherieR said:

That is it!!

I love this song because it has so much meaning with the man who wrote it and my Grandfather

garee · Apr 12, 2019

Good point. God is not served by human hands as that which confirm a person believe prophecy the gospel. The sign in 1 Corinthian confirm un belief. God mocking the unbelief of the whole world through that demonstration.

God has no needs but satisfies all .

Using a donkey as a unclean animal used to represent natural unconverted man, in order to mock unbelief in natural man as a witness to the world he puts His words on the Donkey tongue.... it faithfully worked in Balaam putting a stop to the madness of a false prophet .

This shows us he can use any kind of feet to bring the gospel .Or a burning bush.

Exodus 34:19-21 King James Version (KJV) All that openeth the matrix is mine; and every firstling among thy cattle, whether ox or sheep, that is male. But the firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb: and if thou redeem him not, then shalt thou break his neck. All the firstborn of thy sons thou shalt redeem. And none shall appear before me empty.

Sign gifs .Two words that do not work together as one . Spiritual unseen gifts all one thing.... yes .

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