Rapists Cannot Be Saved

Perhaps I'm just so sick of being disappointed that I don't expect much, if at all, from God or people now. Besides, God can do whatever he wants with me and I'd just have to deal with it.

And I feel like the only way I can get someone to pay attention is if I get mad. No one pays attention or takes seriously someone who's meek and mild all the time.
On certain days though, I like being angry. It makes me feel like I have value and what I have to say matters. It gets sh*t done!

I know it's pathetic, but sometimes I'm willing to do just about anything to get attention, for people to acknowledge I exist. Any attention, even if it's bad, is better than none at all.

I understand what you're saying, History, and I'm truly sorry that you feel the only way to get people to pay attention to you is when you say something shocking and angry.

I don't mean to be condescending at all, but this seems like perfect opportunity to sort out a few things that might help you. For instance, I know you've written many, many threads about the evils of sexual abuse. Does this topic make you angry because you want to do something about it, or because you find it the only means to get people to listen to you?

You said that you sometimes like being angry. Do you like it because it gets you this attention, or because you genuinely want to do something to fight back against the evils that seem to bother you so much?

I know you feel alone, but many feel the way you do. Believe me, I understand what you're saying about feeling helpless and as if there is nothing you can do. I know you think that no one understands, but we do.

I had a situation once in which I came face-to-face with a good friend's abuser, and I thought to myself, "Lord, if you'd just give me Samson's strength, just this one time, I'd really love to punch this guy right in the middle of his face so that all the cartilage behind his nose gets shoved right through his brain, and he would never hurt another child again," because the guy kept getting out of prison and victimizing more kids.

And God told me, "No, (Seoul), I want you to learn to forgive him." And you can imagine what kind of reaction I had towards God. That was years ago, and I'm still not entirely there yet. You're not the only one who hates seeing the injustices of this world, especially when they're standing right in front of you and are free to repeat the same cycle all over again.

History, if these are the kinds of things that bother you so much, God is giving you an opportunity right here. I've seen at least 3 very brave women in this thread try to reach out to you and tell them that they went through what would be my worst nightmares, and not only has God gotten them through it, but He's also given them the hearts to reach out to someone else.

You talk about how angry you are that your friend was abused, and I'm so sorry for what he went through, but wouldn't this be a perfect opportunity to learn from others what they went through and how God helped them deal with it?

THIS is how we fight back as Christians: we reach out to others; we share and listen to stories; we pray for each other and encourage each other, even when life throws the very worst at us. Every time we reach to someone, every time we ask how they are or give them a cyber hug or listen to their stories, we are taking something back from the devil, and he hates that, so this is why he tries to keep us wrapped up in our own pains instead of reaching out to others.

You say it would be a waste of time to talk to people--then why are you writing these threads, because writing these threads is talking to people. You obviously see a value in trying to reach out in SOME way, so why not take it a step further and talk to a few people as individuals? But if you feel that lashing out in anger at an entire audience is what feels best to you and what you prefer to do rather than trying to connect with people and form friendships that would help ease that loneliness, the choice is up to you.

I am hoping though, that you might choose to give some of these people in your thread a chance. If you haven't noticed them already, I can think of 3 women right off the bat and would probably see more if I re-read every post. Now, you are exactly right in that if you don't think you're a person worth knowing, then there's nothing anyone else can do--but you don't know if you don't try.

I know you were gracious enough to send me a PM a little while back and you may feel free to continue doing so, but I would greatly encourage you to reach out to others who have posted here as well. I haven't kept up with all the recent subscription rules, so if there are people you would like to contact in this thread but don't have a subscription, just let me know and I will pay it for you.

All I ask is please, don't overlook the opportunities God is giving you right here to connect with individuals who are trying so hard to help.

Your thread started out as being about as confrontational as can be so of course, there are going to be some confrontational answers back. However, don't let that blind you from the people who are truly trying to reach out to you.

You tell us how lonely and unheard you are, but God is setting people right here in front of you who want to listen to you and help ease your loneliness.

Please, don't be as blind as I was in these kinds of situations and pass a God-given opportunity right by.

Thank you very much.

I seriously wish I could take back all those threads. I feel like I've accomplished nothing other than making a complete and utter fool of myself.

Don't feel too bad--if the site had to remove all the posts in which I made a fool of myself, half the site would be gone tomorrow.

Just think of it as God giving you a fresh start and a new beginning -- and hopefully a chance to make some new friends. CC has been a tremendous blessing to me in my many years of loneliness, and I hope it will do the same for you. Here's to hoping you'll give some of the good folks here a chance!

God bless you, lil' sis.

If they'll have me.

I'm 25, but thank you. (Well, I'm the youngest of three so I'm used to that)

Thank you very much.

I seriously wish I could take back all those threads. I feel like I've accomplished nothing other than making a complete and utter fool of myself.

If you don't connect with someone, don't feel bad about it, just keep going. Keep trying and don't give up. And now you can join the live chats if you want and just listen to the conversations if you're just in a mood to listen to other people.

I've had a lot of people comment to me over the years, asking, "How is it that you seem to know so many people here?", and my only answer is, because I've done A LOT of writing. I spend a huge amount of time writing to people--if you take the average amount of time most people spend watching TV in a week, that's probably about how much time I spend on various forms of correspondence, messages, and threads. So when you talk about being lonely and rarely going out, I can completely relate to that because usually, I'm spending all my spare time in front of a computer screen, or with a pen and paper.

Sometimes a friendship works out, and sometimes it doesn't, but the only thing I know to do is to keep on trying. You might write 10 people, hear back from 4, and maybe only 1 might into a long-time correspondence, but at least you're doing something proactive and even refining your social skills along the way. Don't be discouraged -- ask God to send you to the right people, or the right people to you.

If you don't want to commit to a full PM, you might try going to people's profiles and writing a short note on their profile page if they allow that option.

I truly hope that maybe someday, you'll be able to write a thread in which you've told us you feel like God has given you a chance to be heard and a social platform that you feel comfortable working towards.

I know you're 25, and I am... a bit older than that, lol, henceforth, the "lil' sis" -- because you are my younger sister in Christ.

God bless you, HP.

You appear increasingly to be one of those that equate disagreement with attacking.

Thank you very much.

I seriously wish I could take back all those threads. I feel like I've accomplished nothing other than making a complete and utter fool of myself.

So what?

Well since I value clarity over agreement thank you!

Do you mind me asking how old you are?

Something tells me under 40.

Okay. This is something I need to clear up for EVERYONE.

There was a recent article published at The Gospel Coalition titled Beware of Broken Wolves. While I appreciate the notion that we need to beware of wolves, this idea that wolves are broken is something that has permeated the church and has no biblical basis.

I know about people who have spoken to dozens of churches in recent months and I can assure you that the vast majority of them are sympathetic to the wolves who are child rapists (this is not to suggest that only child rapists are wolves). "We need to gently restore this brother" is the mantra of the day. It’s become so predictable that we expect this phrase to roll off the lips of church leaders as blood and flesh are dripping from the wolf's. I and many others have grown weary of churches who want to nurture the wolves back to "health."

The root of the problem is that church leaders don't really think in terms of sheep and wolves. They are thinking like sheep, so they assume that wolves are really just broken sheep who can repent and come back to the sheep pen. They are not. They are wolves. Genuine wolves. Wolves do not convert into sheep. They disguise themselves as sheep. This is a crucial difference. What church leaders overlook is how wolves are described in Scripture and, most importantly, that Jesus and his disciples never spoke to their conversion or repentance.

Jesus used word pictures to drive his points home. He used parables and metaphors to describe the Gospel. He used images that connected the brain to the heart and moved people to action. When he was on a rural mountain, he told his disciples to "beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves" (Matthew 7:15 ESV). He was in sheep country. It's likely that there were sheep grazing within eyesight of the disciples as Jesus was preaching this very lesson.

No shepherd would have heard these words and thought Jesus was calling them to be gentle, kind, or understanding of a wolf. Shepherds didn’t sit wolves down and say, "What pain is in your life to make you like this?" In fact, in this context Jesus didn’t speak of pain at all. He spoke in terms of fruit! "You will recognize them by their fruit...the diseased tree bears bad fruit." He shifts images from a wolf to a tree.

Does God's justice require the wolves to turn their hearts and become sheep, or the bad trees to become good trees? NO! In fact, Jesus's words are chilling: "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will recognize them by their fruits" (Matthew 7:19, 20). There was never a plea to rescue them from the flames, like we find in Jude 1:23. A clear distinction was made between sinners and wolves.

In John 10, Jesus describes himself as the Good Shepherd who is the door for the sheep. Those who enter by way of the door will find pasture. What about the wolf? Does Jesus call him a "brother?" Does he speak about his or her pain? Let's listen to His words, "The thief only comes to steal and kill and destroy" (John 10:10). Is Jesus clear enough? This is who they are. Though they deceive and disguise themselves as sheep, they are not sheep. They never were. Their diabolic mission, their very identity is to seek sheep to devour. They have no interest in repentance.

We also have the tendency to apply "wolf" to people in the church who cause division. Not all people who cause division are wolves. Some people are like wrecking balls and they are so ignorant they don’t even know it. Others are well intentioned but still manage to run people off.

When the Bible describes wolves, it’s not describing what they do. It's describing who they ARE. Wolves are not other Christians with whom we disagree. Wolves are not "brothers" or "sisters" who got caught up in sin either. Wolves ARE what they ARE. They are WOLVES. They are DIABOLIC. They CRAVE the flesh of innocent lambs. And they will do ANYTHING to kill and destroy the souls of people.

Contrast the descriptions and responses often given in churches who have child rapists with the truths of the Bible.

Here are the things most often heard:

He's a pillar of the community.
This man is one of my best friends.
I believe he genuinely loves the Lord.
We are willing to do whatever it takes to help guide him back to the Lord.
We want him to be surrounded with love.
The Lord expects us to forgive.
The Lord hates the sin and loves the sinner.
Everyone has abandoned him, it's our duty to rally around him.
He's been a member of this church for 30 years.
Nobody is beyond redemption.
The Lord's grace is sufficient.

Here are some of the things the Bible says about wolves and false prophets who, by the way, are false teachers because their goal is to ultimately destroy the souls of God's children:

The wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. (Eph 5:6)

Evil people and impostors will go on from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. (2 Tim 3:13)

Secretly bring in destructive heresies, irrational animals, creatures of instinct. Born to be caught and destroyed, they count it pleasure to revel in the daytime. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their deceptions, while they feast with you they have eyes full of adultery, insatiable for sin. They entice unsteady souls. They have hearts trained for greed. Accursed children! Following the way of Balaam, the son of Beor, who loved gain from wrongdoing. Waterless springs and mists driven by a storm. For them, the gloom of utter darkness is reserved. They entice by sensual passions of the flesh those who are barely escaping from those who live in error. The dog returns to its own vomit. The sow, after washing herself, returns to wallow in the mire. (all the above from 2 Peter 2)

Make no mistake. Genuine wolves derive pleasure in inflicting harm on innocent souls, and the most effective way to do this is to do it in the name of Jesus. Why do we fail to see what's already clearly laid out in the Bible? I'll tell you why. We don't want to believe someone can live without a conscience and do wicked, wicked things with no remorse. Well, people like that exist. The Bible says they exist.

I will stick with the Bible, the Word of God, rather than the sloppy cheap grace of man, which isn't really grace at all, but COWARDICE![/QUO

Really? Then I have nothing more to say to you because you've already proven my point. You prefer your own comfy interpretation to what the Bible actually says. You can argue with me about it, but would you dare argue about it with God? Read the Bible without your blinders on for once. I can quote scripture to you all day long but only you can open your heart to being taught by it. And remember the devil knows his Bible too, and he will always use it to create divisions such as this.

You should not ask about a lady’s age...but since I’m not much of a lady, I guess it’s okay😁. I’m turning 43 next month.

Maybe I wouldn't be so "manic depressive" if I had people to talk to about these things. But I don't! I have NO ONE. No one in my family wants to hear it, and no one wants to be friends with me.

And that's not self-pity. I have gone out of my way for years now to try and make friends. But not only have many of those attempts fallen through, I've been blatantly ignored.

Maybe I'm sick of feeling so powerless over ANYTHING in my life.

Controlling people. People who judge others. Unforgiving people. Unyieldingly right about everything people. Wanting people dead and or severely punished people.

Can't imagine why THOSE people don't have close friends to talk about such things.


Now listen! Get OFF the pity parade. Show people love and Grace. And just see how quickly your life changes.
STOP looking outward as the problem. Look inward.

This may seem harsh, but in the snowflake, everybody is special, participation trophy world which we have created in the minds of our youth, we did them NO favors. So here we are on a public forum, and this young lady needs some truth. Blueladybug style!

Controlling people. People who judge others. Unforgiving people. Unyieldingly right about everything people. Wanting people dead and or severely punished people.

Can't imagine why THOSE people don't have close friends to talk about such things.


Now listen! Get OFF the pity parade. Show people love and Grace. And just see how quickly your life changes.
STOP looking outward as the problem. Look inward.

This may seem harsh, but in the snowflake, everybody is special, participation trophy world which we have created in the minds of our youth, we did them NO favors. So here we are on a public forum, and this young lady needs some truth. Blueladybug style![/QUOTE]


I've been giving her truth, and so have others here. I've encouraged her to PM me, but she hasn't (yet). I've also suggested she read my depression testimony, and/ or any of the testimonies in that forum.

I've been where she is, mad at all the evil things that are done to others in this world. I've felt sorry for myself, wondering why God allowed me to go through all the crap I've been through in life. The difference is, I can't stop the evilness around me, nor can I afford to remain in the pit of depression that frequently threatens to drag me under. She knows my stance on those who throw constant pity parties for themselves. If she remains angry, whether at God or herself or both, she will never see the truth that He is trying to reveal to her through us and this thread. She can either enable the devil, or tell him to skedaddle. But only she can make that choice.

Once again, you sir know nothing of my life. Everyone, quit pretending like you know me like you know your best friend. If those were the reasons I didn't have friends I would've changed it a long time ago.

I have Aspergers. It's very hard for me to emotionally connect with people and have casual conversations with them. I don't care for small talk but a lot of people do. Seriously people, look up Aspergers and it may open your eyes.