Not By Works

Please provide a post number where I said that.

God forbid anyone should EVER disagree with the mighty DOC.

You keep bringing up the false charge that I said someone has to produce fruit in a certain time frame. And I keep saying what I actually said. That is why DC keeps coming up, because of you. If you would stop making silly false accusations, I would stop bringing up what DOC said.

Got it...Every once saved always saved person believes that once they are saved, no sin, no amount of sinning, can unsave them. So the very thing that put Jesus on the cross is of no consequence regarding salvation for a believer of OSAS.

...If anyone teaches FALSE DOCTRINES and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, he is CONCEITED and UNDERSTANDS NOTHING. He has an unhealthy interest in CONTROVERSIES and QUARRELS ABOUT WORDS that result in envy, strife, MALICIOUS TALK, EVIL SUSPICIONS and CONSTANT FRICTION between men of corrupt mind, who have been ROBBED OF THE TRUTH and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain. 1 Timothy 6:3-5 Love of Money

... Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, YOU WOULD LOVE ME, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me. Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are UNABLE TO HEAR what I say. You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, NOT HOLDING TO THE TRUTH, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is A LIAR and the father of lies. Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.” John 8:42-47 The Children of the Devil

...“If you love me, you will obey what I command. John 14:15

...And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love. 2 John 1:6

...He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: “‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. THEY WORSHIP ME IN VAIN; their TEACHINGS are but RULES TAUGHT BY MEN.’ You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.” And he said to them: “YOU HAVE A FINE WAY OF SETTING ASIDE THE COMMANDS OF GOD in order to observe your own traditions!... Thus YOU NULLIFY THE WORD OF GOD by your tradition that you have handed down. And YOU DO MANY THINGS LIKE THAT.” Mark 7:6-13

...“You have said harsh things against me,” says the Lord. “Yet you ask, ‘What have we said against you?’ “You have said, ‘It is futile to serve God. What did we gain by carrying out his requirements and going about like mourners before the Lord Almighty? But now we call the arrogant blessed. Certainly the evildoers prosper, and even those who challenge God escape.’” Then those who feared the Lord talked with each other, and the Lord listened and heard. A scroll of remembrance was written in his presence concerning those who feared the Lord and honored his name. “They will be mine,” says the Lord Almighty, “in the day when I make up my treasured possession. I will spare them, just as in compassion a man spares his son who serves him. And you will again see the distinction between the righteous and the wicked, between those who serve God and those who do not. Malachi 3:13-18

...Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘WORSHIP the Lord your God, and SERVE HIM ONLY.’” Matthew 4:10

Who do you WORSHIP and SERVE...do you call him LORD?

...“WHY DO YOU CALL ME, ‘LORD, LORD,’ and do not do what I say? Luke 6:46 The Wise and Foolish Builders

...For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, WHO CHANGE THE GRACE OF OUR GOD INTO A LICENSE FOR IMMORALITY and DENY JESUS CHRIST our only Sovereign and LORD. Jude 1:4

Yes, and these things, like missing the mark, falling short of a standard is what is meant by "we sin more or less every day"

You just proved my earlier argument.

Paul said the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God. Then he lists a specific set of sins. But he also said that he is not perfect and that he still struggles with the flesh. These are two different categories, which you fail to recognize.

One can have a heart of faith and struggle with the flesh. That is not the same thing as saying one can have a heart of faith and walk in darkness and sin (see 1 John 1:5 and 1 John 3 as well as 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 and Revelation 21:8

AND as I said, one is not saved or unsaved based on how many sins they commit or don't commit. One is saved based on faith. But a heart of faith, while it may struggle with the flesh, is not in open rebellion against God. Two different categories.

Unbalanced theology you have.

"For whoever shall keep the whole Law, but shall stumble in one point, he has become guilty of all." James 2:10.

Sin is part of our make-up, it even consumes our subconscious while we sleep. We dream of it. We overflow constantly with it. IF you are hip to God's righteousness.
I used to sharpen my battle-ax nightly as I plotted my area of attack if I woke. Clinched fists and grinding teeth I battled with it constantly.
I found asil I aggressively chopped of its rearing head with a conquering satisfaction over here, it would rear up to attack me elsewhere. Every night I closed my eyes a failure.
Then my eyes of blindness were opened to the truth,
I still carry my battle-ax with aggression, and I constantly fail to come close to God's righteousness, but I fall asleep a winner at peace with the fact that the number one and only powerful creator has already completly abolished my enemy for me, even on my lazy day's when I set the battle-ax down and find myself backsliding to my fleshly desires.
My utmost respect, love and gratitude to you and the perfection of your will and Grace concerning my eternal testing place.
My hat's off and my knee's bowed in amazement at the perfection of the working power of the Trinity by Grace
Grace... that's a Goliath of a word that bewilders me with amazementwith it's flawless power.

If God's seed abides in you, you will not sin (the verb sin is in the present linear tense, which means continual, progressive acts of sin.

Not so, Paul is very clear we do not earn salvation. We cannot put God in our debt.

4Now the wages of the worker are not credited as a gift, but as an obligation. 5However, to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.…

Moreover,

Any exchange of behaviour for receiving eternal life is not the gospel.

Yep. That's why we need the cross. But the fact still remains...
9 ...the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

That is why we are called as already saved people to put to death the deeds of the flesh AND THAT IS WHY THE SCRIPTURES SAYS THAT THOSE WHO ARE CHRIST'S HAVE CRUCIFIED THE FLESH WITH IT'S AFFECTIONS AND LUST.

Does that mean we are perfect? Does that mean we don't sin? NO. It means that we are no longer slaves to sin, we are now slaves to Jesus Christ. We are slaves to whoever we serve, whether sin unto death or Christ unto life

How is calling salvation a gift and obedience a gift putting God in our debt. Wow, you people are not reading with any comprehension.

Read my sig.

So our obedience is a gift from God....smh

Our reading and understanding follows scripture not the words of men.

You already have when you called me a legalist and judgemental, even though I judged no one, and I have said nothing that ammounts to legalism. The problem is not with my posts, the problem is with your comprehension of them.

Sure. Have you ever tried to live in obedience in your own strength. Impossible.

Not if you don't think the power to obey is not a gift from God.

Just the opposite. The gospel goal is perfection ( or if that bible word is too harsh, just think victory) and it is Christ who produces this in the believer if the believer allows, or as the bible often says "lets" . Its not a matter of one reaching, its a matter of submitting, and that is also of Christ, if you allow. This no victory, no overcoming in Christ gospel mindset is anathema to the true gospel, which includes total victory over sin, in Christ. What little faith there is that cannot even come to believe that there is victory over sin in Jesus.

For clarification, do you agree with the below statement.

God predestined our santification/conformity to the image of Christ. Romans 8:29. IT is not instant and it is not entire until our Great God and Saviour (Titus 2:13-) appears (1 John 3:1-3), but the Bible teaches that we should be growing more and more in His Image every day. (1 John 3:4). Perfecting holiness in the fear of the Lord. ( 1 Corinthians 7:1)

Um, You said after we are saved if you sin and do not repent we are lost. So Yes you did say that.

You can deny it all you want,


We repent THEN WE ARE SAVED< we do not KEEP REPENTING. We either repented and God accepts our faith or we are LOST/

Under Grace, what I have been saying is in agreement with your signature. Why do you find fault with it?

2 Corinthians 7:9- Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing

I thought you all followed the scripture, not man's understanding.

So many, in their definition of sin, avoid stating the only definition of sin in scripture: a violation of the 10 commandments.
Scriptures such as missing the mark, etc. only make sense when one realizes the mark is the 10 commandments which in turn is = to the life of Christ. Harping on terms such as "missing the mark" in the present type discussion is just being unclear unless its defined, and the definition of missing the mark is transgression of the 10 commandments.

I would say that sin is the failure to keep the two great commandments, Love God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength and love your neighbor as yourself. All of the Law is comprehended in these.