I believe there are THREE days [plural] in the phrase "last days" (per Hosea 5:15-6:3), and that the THIRD of these ("The Last Day") will START (as all "prophetic Days" / "days" referring to prophecy, especially as related to prophecies concerning Israel) "AT DARK / SUNDOWN" the evening before. (And this is what we see 2Th2 saying, as well as this same SEQUENCE in 1Th4-5 [1Th5:2-3]... as well as what 2Pet3 is saying, "the Day of the Lord shall come as a thief IN THE NIGHT [the TIME PERIOD, not the Person of Christ Himself as in Rev16:15-16]. etc)
what happens next millenium or new earth?
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^ This was supposed to come under garee's second section ^ :
...any time we see "[--insert any number--] YEARS" it never refers to an unknown amount of time, but the amount of time stated.
(sure, some might be a kind of DEPICTION, but never is it meant to convey an "unknown/unknowable" amount of years)
...any time we see "[--insert any number--] YEARS" it never refers to an unknown amount of time, but the amount of time stated.
(sure, some might be a kind of DEPICTION, but never is it meant to convey an "unknown/unknowable" amount of years)
Just wanted to clarify where I had written "[Daniel 12:] 1-4," I believe that part is DISTINCT from what we see in verse 13. IOW, verse 13 IS speaking of a physical/bodily resurrection [from the dead], whereas vv.1-4 is NOT speaking of a physical/bodily resurrection [from the dead], but Israel "coming up out of the graveyard of nations, where scattered" (at that specific time period; context: second half of trib), like Rom11:15[25]; Hosea 5:15-6:3; Ezek37:12-14,20-23; Isa26:16-21; etc
Dispensationalism relies as much on news coverage than on misinterpretations of the Bible. The formation of modern Israel is the
number one classic example. A Biblical generation is considered by many to be forty years. Israel was established in 1948 so it was thought the rapture would happen in 1988 it didn't so someone decided that the six day war of 1967 was the correct starting point making the rapture year 2007 wrong again! So how about the Yom Kippur war of 1973? well we should all have been raptured in 2013 but guess what we are all still here. Dispensationalist supporters then wonder why people don't believe their version of events! If this all sounds familiar look no further than the JWs Watchtower Society. We now have Blood Moons Earthquakes and Global warming to to replace war dates but what really would get them all back on track would be another full scale middle East war with Israel at its center that's why Syria and Iran gets so much attention. We know what used to happen to false Prophets!
number one classic example. A Biblical generation is considered by many to be forty years. Israel was established in 1948 so it was thought the rapture would happen in 1988 it didn't so someone decided that the six day war of 1967 was the correct starting point making the rapture year 2007 wrong again! So how about the Yom Kippur war of 1973? well we should all have been raptured in 2013 but guess what we are all still here. Dispensationalist supporters then wonder why people don't believe their version of events! If this all sounds familiar look no further than the JWs Watchtower Society. We now have Blood Moons Earthquakes and Global warming to to replace war dates but what really would get them all back on track would be another full scale middle East war with Israel at its center that's why Syria and Iran gets so much attention. We know what used to happen to false Prophets!
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Melach,,,
In this post I gave two links for a purpose in the wiki article in about the third paragraph the writers of the article use the term "FIRST READING" (which is incorrect) and easily proven from the other link I gave(Genesis 2:4, ,second word,#8435) in which the word "toldot" is first used in the bible we have.
The reason for this error is in the meaning of the word toldot or generation in that it is used only to mean generation as in western thinking and so generation only means 50's,60's 70's ect. or one age group to the next. Now in your OP you ask about the next millennial of time and what takes place in it.
So this then is from Revelation where the word millennial is used and so what is a millennial to a Hebrew thinking person and is it different from how it is used in the US or other peoples?
In a Hebrew manner of thinking the word toldot can mean a certain generation of a family or as in Genesis 2:4 it can denote a generation of time(aeon). So in Matthew 24:3 https://biblehub.com/interlinear/matthew/24-3.htm the disciples ask if you notice ask Jesus about an aeon of time(not genealogy see word #165) and Revelation uses the word millennial(1000 years) denoting time. So in Matthew 24:34 Jesus is answering the question they ask in Matt.24:3(time not genealogy). The Hebrew language does not have as many words in it and often times has multiple meanings of words.
In the Hebrew manner of keeping track of years this is the year 5779 but in our system it is 2019. So the Hebrews are counting off seven(7) millennial's because of Genesis 3:19 (six days/sweat of thy brow) and Exodus 34:21,Exodus 20:9-11 ect.
This is because of Isaiah 46:10 ( and others) in that "the end" was foretold by God "in the beginning"(so Genesis) and why from Genesis 1:1 to Genesis 2:4 were/are not considered as only a recollection of what took place but also "A PROPHECY" of seven complete millennial's of time.
Ierenaeus speaks of this in http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0103528.htm in the third paragraph and many of the early members of the Church(1st-3rd century) but then that fell away to other manners of thinking and is the reasoning behind some calculating events in eschatology as Amill, Preterit, Disp.ect. instead of six mill. days and the 7th is the rest from labor as in the Hebrew manner.
I am Christian by faith and always have been but have spoken of "Hebrew thinking" much in this post and thought it good to state that I am Christian to clarafy that to you. In speaking to a Hebrew if you say "it's cool" as in the slang used in the western world they would touch it to see just how hot or cold it was(means something different),,,, so look at what generation,aeon,toldot,millennial ect. means to a Hebrew(bible in your hand is from that perspective),lol
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Melach, for future events and detail concerning millenium, its best to read Isaiah which gives more detail about Gods kingdom as well as Revelation.
Check out Isaiah 25 and keep reading 26, 27 to the end of the book
Its absolutely amazing what God is going to do. And the good thing is we can know it cos Isaiah prophesiesd this many years ago, and it will come to pass, because Gods word doesnt return back empty. His kingdom is going to spread over the whole earth. When Jesus came to earth he read from Isaiah 61 and said he was fulfilling it..but note he hasnt yet come for the day of vengeance...and the land isnt going to be called forsaken but married. And many times its said He will be in Jerusalem. Thats where all the nations are going to go to see Him.
Check out Isaiah 25 and keep reading 26, 27 to the end of the book
Its absolutely amazing what God is going to do. And the good thing is we can know it cos Isaiah prophesiesd this many years ago, and it will come to pass, because Gods word doesnt return back empty. His kingdom is going to spread over the whole earth. When Jesus came to earth he read from Isaiah 61 and said he was fulfilling it..but note he hasnt yet come for the day of vengeance...and the land isnt going to be called forsaken but married. And many times its said He will be in Jerusalem. Thats where all the nations are going to go to see Him.
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There may be some truth to your statement that "toledoth" means generations of time. I do not know because I haven't done a word study on it but I did glance at Gen 2: 4 that you suggested. It seems that many of the 39 times it is used it in the OT refer to normal generations like we would use it.
The question to ask is does Jesus use that word on the Mount of Olives? We don't know. In the gospels He uses the Greek word "Genea". Every time He uses it in the gospels you can tell from the context He is referring to His generation.
The gospels were not written in Hebrew is far as we know. We have them in Greek. Did Jesus speak Hebrew on the Mount of Olives? Did He use "toledoth"? Maybe. We don't know. What we do know is we have it preserved by God for us in Greek using the word "Genea".
Jesus uses that word always for His contemporaries.
He says in Matt 16: 27-28, Mark 8: 38-9:1 and Luke 9: 26-27, that some standing there would not die before they saw Him coming in His kingdom. That can only mean His contemporaries. I think this confirms how Jesus was using "Genea" in Matt 24: 34.
The question to ask is does Jesus use that word on the Mount of Olives? We don't know. In the gospels He uses the Greek word "Genea". Every time He uses it in the gospels you can tell from the context He is referring to His generation.
The gospels were not written in Hebrew is far as we know. We have them in Greek. Did Jesus speak Hebrew on the Mount of Olives? Did He use "toledoth"? Maybe. We don't know. What we do know is we have it preserved by God for us in Greek using the word "Genea".
Jesus uses that word always for His contemporaries.
He says in Matt 16: 27-28, Mark 8: 38-9:1 and Luke 9: 26-27, that some standing there would not die before they saw Him coming in His kingdom. That can only mean His contemporaries. I think this confirms how Jesus was using "Genea" in Matt 24: 34.
okay brethren here is an update if anyone cares for my drivel lolz:
i have now left amillennialism for good, no turning back its too unbiblical and unbelievable, the only reason i was in it to begin with was lack of study traditions of men. thank you Jesus for leading us into all truth, amen.
now i am figuring out how the parables of fish net, wheat and weeds, fit with end times.
i have gotten an answer to all the questions i have asked in my topic here, except I wish someone could further explain to me 2 thessalonians 1:6-9, who is left in the flesh? i think thats the timing of the rapture there when he is revealed from heaven with angels, but that will be revealed to me in due time thank God.
to brother @Deade and @iamsoandso and other post-trib believers i ask this: how can unbelievers enter the millennium if they are all plucked out according to the wheat and weeds parable? how do you explain it?
i have now left amillennialism for good, no turning back its too unbiblical and unbelievable, the only reason i was in it to begin with was lack of study traditions of men. thank you Jesus for leading us into all truth, amen.
now i am figuring out how the parables of fish net, wheat and weeds, fit with end times.
i have gotten an answer to all the questions i have asked in my topic here, except I wish someone could further explain to me 2 thessalonians 1:6-9, who is left in the flesh? i think thats the timing of the rapture there when he is revealed from heaven with angels, but that will be revealed to me in due time thank God.
to brother @Deade and @iamsoandso and other post-trib believers i ask this: how can unbelievers enter the millennium if they are all plucked out according to the wheat and weeds parable? how do you explain it?
Your answer for the wheat/tares or even the sheep/goats is simple: Christ is separating the real believers from the fake Christians. The rest of the non-Christian world will have a remnant from each nation that will live through the mayhem. Not any scripture paints it fully but they all taken together with common sense added defines it. 
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Your answer for the wheat/tares or even the sheep/goats is simple: Christ is separating the real believers from the fake Christians. The rest of the non-Christian world will have a remnant from each nation that will live through the mayhem. Not any scripture paints it fully but they all taken together with common sense added defines it.
You ask this "enter (the) millennial" in singular tense only denoting one of the 7 days/yom but there are 6 and then the rest. In Matthew 12:32 the Lord said something would not be forgiven in this(that then) age nor the one to come. So when one day ended and the next began there would be a judgment of those in the one that began when the other ended. So if in the age that began when the other ended they are judged it could not be the final judgment as you are thinking. ,,,That is "ages" one ends,another begins(but still under judgment) and then the next.
It was not Jesus who lead you to abandon amill and embrace premill. If that was the case, why did He lead you to the error of amill to begin with? The misreading of Scripture by fallible men in this thread has convinced you of premill.
You have left one error for another error. Can you please explain to me what you think this verse means?
Matt 16: 27-28, "For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works. Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom."
It cannot be the Transfiguration because He did not reward every man according to his works then. Jesus says some will not die before they see it. The only explanation that actually fits what the Scripture says is 70 A.D. and the fall of Jerusalem. The resurrection and judgment was not a visible event. It happened in the spiritual realm. The new heavens and earth is not a physical place it is Christ's kingdom and the church.
As long as Christians keep looking for a physical, carnal fulfillment, like many men in this thread, they will never understand what Jesus was actually saying.
You have left one error for another error. Can you please explain to me what you think this verse means?
Matt 16: 27-28, "For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works. Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom."
It cannot be the Transfiguration because He did not reward every man according to his works then. Jesus says some will not die before they see it. The only explanation that actually fits what the Scripture says is 70 A.D. and the fall of Jerusalem. The resurrection and judgment was not a visible event. It happened in the spiritual realm. The new heavens and earth is not a physical place it is Christ's kingdom and the church.
As long as Christians keep looking for a physical, carnal fulfillment, like many men in this thread, they will never understand what Jesus was actually saying.
Lord will bless me for how you spoke to me.
i didnt say God led me to amill as i said i never even looked into prophecy i just accepted the simplest explanation and tradition and never looked into it. what spiked my interest was thedivinewatermark's message to me to look into this.
i said previously that this topic is about whats going to happen, not about what has already happened as you believe. Jesus showed me He is coming again so i know He didnt come in 70 A.D.
i didnt say God led me to amill as i said i never even looked into prophecy i just accepted the simplest explanation and tradition and never looked into it. what spiked my interest was thedivinewatermark's message to me to look into this.
i said previously that this topic is about whats going to happen, not about what has already happened as you believe. Jesus showed me He is coming again so i know He didnt come in 70 A.D.
I am not trying to be disrespectful to you Melach so if you took it that way I apologize. I am asking you to use reason and logic and not emotion. Many Christians decide things, not based off Scripture, but based off their feelings.
I presented a Scripture to you in my last post that says He is coming with His kingdom before some of them standing there would die. That is not the only Scripture. There are DOZENS in the New Testament that all say the same thing. I can give you a list if you want.
It won't do any good though if you are going to base your decisions off your personal feelings or dreams you had. The only thing that counts in determining truth is Scripture.
I presented a Scripture to you in my last post that says He is coming with His kingdom before some of them standing there would die. That is not the only Scripture. There are DOZENS in the New Testament that all say the same thing. I can give you a list if you want.
It won't do any good though if you are going to base your decisions off your personal feelings or dreams you had. The only thing that counts in determining truth is Scripture.
Matthew 12:32 https://biblehub.com/matthew/12-32.htm ,,,
One age ends and in the next age some who speak against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven. So when that age ended(the one they were in in Matt.12:32) and the next began is it the final judgment or does it come after the age referred to as "age to come" by Jesus? Where is the missing age that is between the age they were in and the final judgment?
One age ends and in the next age some who speak against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven. So when that age ended(the one they were in in Matt.12:32) and the next began is it the final judgment or does it come after the age referred to as "age to come" by Jesus? Where is the missing age that is between the age they were in and the final judgment?