Flat Earthers

Dino246 · Mar 23, 2019

I am encouraging you to go to Southern Australia at any time between November and February, watch the sunrise and sunset angles in relation to the cardinal directions, and reflect on how that reality conflicts with your position.

I'm not going to bother discussing with someone whose mind is closed. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

You can bleat on all you like about the beast and deception and all the rest, but your position is refuted by many lines of evidence, not the least of which is proper interpretation of Scripture.

ChristianLife · Mar 23, 2019

The Earth is a globe. But it doesn't spin or move; as the Bible says, it is fixed and will never be moved.

Flat earth is a delusion perpetrated by the enemies of God and the church and was used to discredit the church by saying that the Church used to teach the Earth was flat, but that was NEVER the case, everyone in all of human history always taught the Earth is a globe. [1]

Unfortunately, in recent years it was probably pushed by atheists as a joke and also as a PsyOps to discredit anyone who says "conspiracy theory" (like 9/11, JFK, etc which are growing in evidence as real conspiracies) because Flat Earthers will just be laughed at for anyone who hasn't bought into the delusion (for good reason, unfortunately).

It is unfortunate, because the fallacious (false) arguments for flat Earth are often even derived from the truth that the globe Earth is fixed and unmoving, and the Copernican LIE that it is not the Sun which moves but rather the Earth which moves has deceived not even the so-called scientists who teach it (despite being disproven in the failure of the Michaelson-Morley experiments, and others), but also the laypeople who are deceived by websites like the Flat Earth website that comes up in a google search with a bunch of flat-earth fallacies that are either totally wrong, or, could be explained by a fixed, unmoving globe Earth (like the absence of provable acceleration despite supposedly spinning at over 1,000mph). [2]

Don't believe me about an unmoving globe earth though, just look it up yourself. It's a rabbit trail though, so I'd recommend either commit to learning the truth about our unmoving globe earth, or don't bother thinking about it at all. It's a hard thing to change such a core believe about our world, just like evolution, big bang, the lies of "carbon dating" which are false, plate tectonics, manmade CO2-based global warming, old earth, and other "science" lies. It should be no surprise that atheist (Copernican) science would have also lied about the motion of the Earth.

But Flat Earth is ridiculous [3], it is sad that more people are being deceived by it by reading flat earth websites and watching flat earth videos. Unfortunately, it's hard to change a flat earther's mind to understand our globe earth because they are indeed deluded and deceived.

1. https://creation.com/the-flat-earth-myth-and-creationism
2. https://revivetruth.com/heliocentric-fallacy/
3. https://thetechreader.com/top-ten/t...ry-has-absolutely-no-scientific-basis-part-1/

Throughthedome · Mar 24, 2019

Dino246,

You have said that many scriptures disagree with me, but you will not even give one here. I have given you many scriptures, easy to understand. You say that the sunrise and sunset angles that appear in southern Australia conflict with my position. They do not conflict my position. You have seen my response to you, #114 above; and have seen that I have already said that nothing is faked in Australia. Stop misleading my brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ. I said that yes in the claimed south of Australia the sun appears to rise in the claimed southeast and go down in the claimed southwest. And I told you the reason that it is happening, just as the reason it is happening all over the world, just claimed south (and southward) of Latitude 23.5° S, except for when you get close to the edge, is because the firmament descends from above the center of the world; the claimed geographical North Pole, all the way until the four edges of the world where it comes down to rest; that we cannot pass.

The firmament is like a glass lens. The sun, moon, and stars were created by God and put into the firmament. They run their courses over us every day, as commanded by God.

Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass? Job 37:18

Now looking through this lens at them, when they are directly over you, you see them magnified. But as they continue on their course from above you, instead of disappearing rather rapidly, which they would otherwise do if you weren’t looking at them through a lens, they remain in the sky for a lengthy amount of time; because they are brought up, kept up, by the firmament, the lens that is the firmament that you are looking at them through (as they appear to be moving slowly past you). The ones that don’t pass directly above your head, you only see them rise above the horizon and stay above it for a lengthy amount of time because of how the firmament brings their view up to you to see as well. They are traveling far off in the distance, but you can see them. And the stars are the size of marbles, or figs, and the sun and the moon are the size of men, and are always being magnified. The magnification when they pass directly above you is more and more the further they move away from you; along with severely slowing their speed, which is around 1,600 miles per hour above the claimed equator; and would be in your sight and then gone in a matter of minutes if you were not looking at them through a firmament. That is why I said you are only ever looking directly at them, when you look at them, when they pass directly above your head; at that very moment only. After that something that is passing directly above your head is not really where you see it, as it is really way off in the distance by hundreds of miles after several minutes; but you see it still almost directly above you as if it hasn’t really moved. And it is the same thing with the stars that are almost about to pass directly above your head. You are not really looking at them right before they pass over your head. They are still way off in the distance for hundreds of miles. The firmament just brings them close to over your head and makes it appear that they are right there; slowly about to pass over your head. This is the same thing that is happening to the stars that are in the distance, claimed north and claimed south of you; that only appear and then disappear after a few minutes. They are brought up by the firmament for you to see them.

Unless you are close to the edge, you can see stars, including (what appears to be, unless they are directly above you) the sun and the moon, for around 6,214.2 statute miles away; in every direction. Now understand. In the claimed Northern Hemisphere that is true. But in the claimed Southern Hemisphere, that is true only while looking toward the claimed north and the claimed south (until you get close to the edge and then obviously it gets less and less how far you can see); because there in the claimed Southern Hemisphere, like in the claimed south of Australia, you begin to see well over 6,214.2 statute miles away; not in distance per se, but the distance the stars actually are from you that you can see going clockwise around a claimed South Pole circle of stars as you look up at them. The stars on the far side of the claimed South Pole circle of stars are really on the other side of the world, passing over the other side of the world, directly behind you when you are looking at them in the claimed south of Australia. What is happening in the claimed south of Australia is what is happening in the claimed south of every place in the world; claimed south of Latitude 23.5° S. All of the stars, all over the world, in reality are going in a counterclockwise rotation above the world; as you look up at them from below. You can see this in the claimed Northern Hemisphere and from the claimed equator as you look to the claimed north. But looking from the claimed equator to the claimed south, and from the claimed Southern Hemisphere (mainly toward the claimed south, the closer to the claimed equator you are) (and I am only talking about the stars, because the sun and the moon depend on where they are and where you are between Latitude 23.5° N and Latitude 23.5° S), you see them doing a clockwise rotation above the world; as if they are doing a clockwise rotation above the world around (and above) a claimed South Pole. But this is not the case. They are all continuing to go in a counterclockwise rotation as you look up at them from below, even in the claimed Southern Hemisphere. Remember, all of the stars are doing a counterclockwise rotation above the world as you look up at them from below; all of them, across the whole world all of the time. In the claimed Southern Hemisphere it only appears that they are doing a clockwise rotation above you as you look to the claimed south because of how the firmament descends down to rest at the ends of the earth. The stars around the center of the claimed South Pole circle of stars are doing around 3,200 miles per hour; while Polaris is only doing 13 miles per hour, all of the time (the stars inside the Arctic Circle, running above the world, never rise or go down [that means that they always run a perfect circle above the world at the same speed and altitude, all of the time]).

Polaris declination: + 89° 15’ 50.8” = + 89.264111111111111111111111111111111°
50.8” ÷ 60” = 0.846666666666666666666666666666666’
15.846666666666666666666666666666666’ ÷ 60’ = 0.264111111111111111111111111111111°
90° - 89.264111111111111111111111111111111° = 0.735888888888888888888888888888889°
0.735888888888888888888888888888889° × 2 = 1.471777777777777777777777777777778°
latitude = declination
1° of latitude = 60 nautical miles
1 nautical mile = 1.15077945 statute miles
60 nautical miles × 1.15077945 statute miles = 69.046767 statute miles = 1° of latitude
1.471777777777777777777777777777778° × 69.046767 statute miles = 101.621497298000000000000000000000015 statute miles
π = 3.1415926535897932384626433832795
101.621497298000000000000000000000015 statute miles × 3.1415926535897932384626433832795 = 319.253349358191823582810184247875334 statute miles
sidereal day = 23.934469888888888888888888888889 hours
319.253349358191823582810184247875334 statute miles ÷ 23.934469888888888888888888888889 hours = 13.338643004848792079624462300863459 miles per hour

Remember, you are only truly looking at the sun (and the moon and the stars) when it passes directly above your head; at that moment only. If it is not passing directly above your head, at solar noon you are only looking in the direction it is away from you; at that moment only; and not at it, when you think you are looking at it; because the firmament has brought it up from the horizon for you to be able to see it then; and it is actually further away from you, passing around 93 miles above the world as it goes over the north; and slightly higher than that as it rises and goes down over the south.

My brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ, the word universe is not in the King James version of the bible.

Glory to God.

Dino246 · Mar 24, 2019

Throughthedome said:

I haven't given any; but that is not the same as "will not" give one.

Throughthedome said:

I don't give a flying flip whether it's in the King James translation of the Bible; that's only one version, based on a limited set of manuscript sources and translated over 400 years ago. The language has changed. Obviously, I'm not "King James only". If you are, I offer my condolences, and I won't discuss this further with you, because it would be a waste of time.

Susanna · Mar 25, 2019

Throughthedome said:

Dino246,

You have said that many scriptures disagree with me, but you will not even give one here. I have given you many scriptures, easy to understand. You say that the sunrise and sunset angles that appear in southern Australia conflict with my position. They do not conflict my position. You have seen my response to you, #114 above; and have seen that I have already said that nothing is faked in Australia. Stop misleading my brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ. I said that yes in the claimed south of Australia the sun appears to rise in the claimed southeast and go down in the claimed southwest. And I told you the reason that it is happening, just as the reason it is happening all over the world, just claimed south (and southward) of Latitude 23.5° S, except for when you get close to the edge, is because the firmament descends from above the center of the world; the claimed geographical North Pole, all the way until the four edges of the world where it comes down to rest; that we cannot pass.

The firmament is like a glass lens. The sun, moon, and stars were created by God and put into the firmament. They run their courses over us every day, as commanded by God.

Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong, and as a molten looking glass? Job 37:18

Now looking through this lens at them, when they are directly over you, you see them magnified. But as they continue on their course from above you, instead of disappearing rather rapidly, which they would otherwise do if you weren’t looking at them through a lens, they remain in the sky for a lengthy amount of time; because they are brought up, kept up, by the firmament, the lens that is the firmament that you are looking at them through (as they appear to be moving slowly past you). The ones that don’t pass directly above your head, you only see them rise above the horizon and stay above it for a lengthy amount of time because of how the firmament brings their view up to you to see as well. They are traveling far off in the distance, but you can see them. And the stars are the size of marbles, or figs, and the sun and the moon are the size of men, and are always being magnified. The magnification when they pass directly above you is more and more the further they move away from you; along with severely slowing their speed, which is around 1,600 miles per hour above the claimed equator; and would be in your sight and then gone in a matter of minutes if you were not looking at them through a firmament. That is why I said you are only ever looking directly at them, when you look at them, when they pass directly above your head; at that very moment only. After that something that is passing directly above your head is not really where you see it, as it is really way off in the distance by hundreds of miles after several minutes; but you see it still almost directly above you as if it hasn’t really moved. And it is the same thing with the stars that are almost about to pass directly above your head. You are not really looking at them right before they pass over your head. They are still way off in the distance for hundreds of miles. The firmament just brings them close to over your head and makes it appear that they are right there; slowly about to pass over your head. This is the same thing that is happening to the stars that are in the distance, claimed north and claimed south of you; that only appear and then disappear after a few minutes. They are brought up by the firmament for you to see them.

Unless you are close to the edge, you can see stars, including (what appears to be, unless they are directly above you) the sun and the moon, for around 6,214.2 statute miles away; in every direction. Now understand. In the claimed Northern Hemisphere that is true. But in the claimed Southern Hemisphere, that is true only while looking toward the claimed north and the claimed south (until you get close to the edge and then obviously it gets less and less how far you can see); because there in the claimed Southern Hemisphere, like in the claimed south of Australia, you begin to see well over 6,214.2 statute miles away; not in distance per se, but the distance the stars actually are from you that you can see going clockwise around a claimed South Pole circle of stars as you look up at them. The stars on the far side of the claimed South Pole circle of stars are really on the other side of the world, passing over the other side of the world, directly behind you when you are looking at them in the claimed south of Australia. What is happening in the claimed south of Australia is what is happening in the claimed south of every place in the world; claimed south of Latitude 23.5° S. All of the stars, all over the world, in reality are going in a counterclockwise rotation above the world; as you look up at them from below. You can see this in the claimed Northern Hemisphere and from the claimed equator as you look to the claimed north. But looking from the claimed equator to the claimed south, and from the claimed Southern Hemisphere (mainly toward the claimed south, the closer to the claimed equator you are) (and I am only talking about the stars, because the sun and the moon depend on where they are and where you are between Latitude 23.5° N and Latitude 23.5° S), you see them doing a clockwise rotation above the world; as if they are doing a clockwise rotation above the world around (and above) a claimed South Pole. But this is not the case. They are all continuing to go in a counterclockwise rotation as you look up at them from below, even in the claimed Southern Hemisphere. Remember, all of the stars are doing a counterclockwise rotation above the world as you look up at them from below; all of them, across the whole world all of the time. In the claimed Southern Hemisphere it only appears that they are doing a clockwise rotation above you as you look to the claimed south because of how the firmament descends down to rest at the ends of the earth. The stars around the center of the claimed South Pole circle of stars are doing around 3,200 miles per hour; while Polaris is only doing 13 miles per hour, all of the time (the stars inside the Arctic Circle, running above the world, never rise or go down [that means that they always run a perfect circle above the world at the same speed and altitude, all of the time]).

Polaris declination: + 89° 15’ 50.8” = + 89.264111111111111111111111111111111°
50.8” ÷ 60” = 0.846666666666666666666666666666666’
15.846666666666666666666666666666666’ ÷ 60’ = 0.264111111111111111111111111111111°
90° - 89.264111111111111111111111111111111° = 0.735888888888888888888888888888889°
0.735888888888888888888888888888889° × 2 = 1.471777777777777777777777777777778°
latitude = declination
1° of latitude = 60 nautical miles
1 nautical mile = 1.15077945 statute miles
60 nautical miles × 1.15077945 statute miles = 69.046767 statute miles = 1° of latitude
1.471777777777777777777777777777778° × 69.046767 statute miles = 101.621497298000000000000000000000015 statute miles
π = 3.1415926535897932384626433832795
101.621497298000000000000000000000015 statute miles × 3.1415926535897932384626433832795 = 319.253349358191823582810184247875334 statute miles
sidereal day = 23.934469888888888888888888888889 hours
319.253349358191823582810184247875334 statute miles ÷ 23.934469888888888888888888888889 hours = 13.338643004848792079624462300863459 miles per hour

Remember, you are only truly looking at the sun (and the moon and the stars) when it passes directly above your head; at that moment only. If it is not passing directly above your head, at solar noon you are only looking in the direction it is away from you; at that moment only; and not at it, when you think you are looking at it; because the firmament has brought it up from the horizon for you to be able to see it then; and it is actually further away from you, passing around 93 miles above the world as it goes over the north; and slightly higher than that as it rises and goes down over the south.

My brothers and sisters in Jesus Christ, the word universe is not in the King James version of the bible.

Glory to God.

You poor, deceived, led astray soul. I will pray for you.

Subhumanoidal · Mar 25, 2019

Flat earthers always look at those who disagree as blind or closed minded. Yet maintain an equally closed mind, but they relabel it in a more positive sounding manner. It doesn't matter what you call it, if you are as unwilling to listen as those you're in disagreement with then you're equally close minded. And flat earthers also elevate themselves as more enlightened, thus putting others as below them.
This is why arguing with them is fruitless.

Throughthedome · Mar 26, 2019

Sun equinox (around March 20 and September 22) declination: 0° (claimed Equator)
90° + 90° = 180°
latitude = declination
1° of latitude = 60 nautical miles
1 nautical mile = 1.15077945 statute miles
60 nautical miles × 1.15077945 statute miles = 69.046767 statute miles = 1° of latitude
180° × 69.046767 statute miles = 12,428.41806 statute miles
π = 3.1415926535897932384626433832795
12,428.41806 statute miles × 3.1415926535897932384626433832795 = 39,045.02687303871011657500366009 statute miles
39,045.02687303871011657500366009 statute miles ÷ 24 hours
1,626.8761197099462548572918191704 miles per hour
(the above is the approximate speed, because the sun speeds up and slows down as it rises and goes down over the south)

Alnilam (the center star of Orion’s Belt, in the constellation Orion) declination: - 01° 12’ 06.9” = - 1.2019166666666666666666666666667°
06.9” ÷ 60” = 0.115’
12.115’ ÷ 60’ = 0.2019166666666666666666666666667°
90° + 1.2019166666666666666666666666667° = 91.2019166666666666666666666666667°
91.2019166666666666666666666666667° × 2 = 182.40383333333333333333333333333°
latitude = declination
1° of latitude = 60 nautical miles
1 nautical mile = 1.15077945 statute miles
60 nautical miles × 1.15077945 statute miles = 69.046767 statute miles = 1° of latitude
182.40383333333333333333333333333° × 69.046767 statute miles = 12,594.3949800735 statute miles
π = 3.1415926535897932384626433832795
12,594.3949800735 statute miles × 3.1415926535897932384626433832795 = 39,566.458745807078001770708546933 statute miles
sidereal day = 23.934469888888888888888888888889 hours
39,566.458745807078001770708546933 statute miles × 23.934469888888888888888888888889 hours = 1,653.1161512866861211866423340667 miles per hour
(the above is also approximate, because just like the Sun, Alnilam also speeds up as it rises in the east, and slows down as it goes down in the west)

Sigma Octantis (the claimed South Pole star) declination: - 88° 57’ 23.3966” = - 88.9564990555555555555555555555555°
23.3966” ÷ 60” = 0.3899433333333333333333333333333’
57.3899433333333333333333333333333’ ÷ 60’ = 0.9564990555555555555555555555555°
90° + 88.9564990555555555555555555555555° = 178.9564990555555555555555555555555°
178.9564990555555555555555555555555° × 2 = 357.9129981111111111111111111111111°
latitude = declination
1° of latitude = 60 nautical miles
1 nautical mile = 1.15077945 statute miles
60 nautical miles × 1.15077945 statute miles = 69.046767 statute miles = 1° of latitude
357.9129981111111111111111111111111° × 69.046767 statute miles = 24,712.7353868493289999999999999999992 statute miles
π = 3.1415926535897932384626433832795
24,712.7353868493289999999999999999992 statute miles × 3.1415926535897932384626433832795 = 77,637.3479414343690394600688785002963 statute miles
sidereal day = 23.934469888888888888888888888889 hours
77,637.3479414343690394600688785002963 statute miles ÷ 23.934469888888888888888888888889 hours
3,243.7462915138970552560928752668445 miles per hour
(again, the above is also approximate, because just like the Sun and Alnilam, Sigma Octantis also speeds up as it rises in the east, and slows down as it goes down in the west)

Glory to God.

Throughthedome · Mar 26, 2019

On December 20, 1928 George H. Wilkins and Carl B. Eielson flew from Deception Island, Antarctica, due claimed south out to Latitude 71° 20’ S; and then came back. Because the lying latitude and longitude system of navigation used today doesn’t take into effect the rising and going down of the sun, nor account for the firmament going down to rest at the ends of the earth, the latitude and longitude of Deception Island is not Latitude 62° 58’ 22.19” S Longitude 060° 38’ 59.99” W; where it is claimed to be. It is really around Latitude 79.4728° S Longitude 090° W, in that lying system of latitude and longitude that is used today. So on that flight that day, December 20, 1928, they flew out to around 150 statute miles from the center of the northwest edge of the world; and then came back.

Deception Island, Antarctica latitude: 62° 58’ 22.19” S = 62.972830555555555555555555555556° S
22.19” ÷ 60” = 0.3698333333333333333333333333333’
58.369833333333333333333333333333’ ÷ 60’ = 0.9728305555555555555555555555556°
how far out they flew latitude: 71° 20’ S = 71.333333333333333333333333333333° S
20’ ÷ 60’ = 0.3333333333333333333333333333333°
71.333333333333333333333333333333° - 62.972830555555555555555555555556° = 8.360502777777777777777777777777°
1° of latitude = 60 nautical miles
1 nautical mile = 1.15077945 statute miles
60 nautical miles × 1.15077945 statute miles = 69.046767 statute miles = 1° of latitude
8.360502777777777777777777777777° × 69.046767 statute miles = 577.26568730007499999999999999995 statute miles
since the firmament represents Latitude 83° S as Latitude 66.5° S near the center of the northwest edge of the world:
66.5° - 62.972830555555555555555555555556° = 3.527169444444444444444444444444°
83° - 3.527169444444444444444444444444° = 79.472830555555555555555555555556°
90° - 79.472830555555555555555555555556° = 10.527169444444444444444444444444°
10.527169444444444444444444444444° × 69.046767 statute miles = 726.86701580007499999999999999997 statute miles
726.86701580007499999999999999997 statute miles - 577.26568730007499999999999999995 statute miles = 149.60132850000000000000000000002 statute miles

In 1939, the Germans began flying on the planes Boreas and Passat, from the ship Schwabenland, out to 35 miles from the center of the southwest edge of the world. The territory Neuschwabenland was from Latitude 69° 10’ S out to Latitude 76° 30’ S, and from Longitude Longitude 11° 30’ W to Longitude 020° 00’ E. On their own maps, they show that the farthest that they ever flew out, was to Latitude 76° S; only on the Longitude 0° line. So from where the ship Schwabenland was anchored at in early 1939, Latitude 69° 14’ S Longitude 4° 30’ W, they started flying around 467 miles out to see the southwest edge of the world; and back.

anchored Schwabenland latitude: 69° 14’ S = 69.233333333333333333333333333333° S
14’ of ÷ 60’ = 0.2333333333333333333333333333333°
how far out they flew latitude: 76° S
76° - 69.233333333333333333333333333333° = 6.766666666666666666666666666667°
1° of latitude = 60 nautical miles
1 nautical mile = 1.15077945 statute miles
60 nautical miles × 1.15077945 statute miles = 69.046767 statute miles = 1° of latitude
6.766666666666666666666666666667° × 69.046767 statute miles = 467.21645670000000000000000000002 statute miles
since the firmament represents Latitude 80° S as Latitude 66.5° S near the center of the southwest edge of the world:
69.233333333333333333333333333333° - 66.5° = 2.733333333333333333333333333333°
80° + 2.733333333333333333333333333333° = 82.733333333333333333333333333333°
90° - 82.733333333333333333333333333333° = 7.266666666666666666666666666667°
7.266666666666666666666666666667° × 69.046767 statute miles = 501.73984020000000000000000000002 statute miles
501.73984020000000000000000000002 statute miles - 467.21645670000000000000000000002 statute miles = 34.5233835 statute miles

The position of the claimed geographical South Pole is not Latitude 90° S. It is Latitude 90° S Longitude 165° E. This is because it is based on the position of McMurdo Sound, Antarctica, Latitude 77.5° S Longitude 165° E; and claimed to be due south from there. This means that the northeast edge of the world is 438 miles past the claimed geographical South Pole; if you were to continue due claimed south from there after coming from McMurdo Sound. If you turned 15 degrees to the port after passing over the claimed geographical South Pole, the northeast edge of the world is 424 miles away; the closest distance away. In my book, I wrote how the U.S. Navy flew a plane from McMurdo Sound, out to 68 miles from the northeast edge of the world; and then back via the claimed geographical South Pole, on January 13, 1956.

1° of latitude = 60 nautical miles
1 nautical mile = 1.15077945 statute miles
60 nautical miles × 1.15077945 statute miles = 69.046767 statute miles = 1° of latitude
any longitude line = 180° of latitude
Longitude 165° line = 180° × 69.046767 statute miles = 12,428.41806 statute miles
c ÷ SinC = b ÷ SinB
c = bSinC ÷ SinB
c = 12,428.41806(Sin90) ÷ Sin75
c = 12,428.41806 ÷ 0.9659258262890682867497431997289
c = 12,866.845177696494377208089338559 statute miles
12,866.845177696494377208089338559 statute miles - 12,428.41806 statute miles = 438.427117696494377208089338559 statute miles
c ÷ SinC = b ÷ SinB
c = bSinC ÷ SinB
c = 438.427117696494377208089338559(Sin75) ÷ Sin90
c = 423.48807592852092438623291612726 ÷ 1
c = 423.48807592852092438623291612726 statute miles

On March 6, 1956, a Soviet plane flew over Mirny Station, Antarctica, due claimed south, out to 35 miles from the center of the southeast edge of the world. Just as Latitude 76.5° S is really Latitude 90° S at the center of the southwest edge of the world, Latitude 76.5° S is really Latitude 90° S, and is the center of the southeast edge of the world; at Longitude 090° E. That day they flew around 652 miles from Mirny Station, Antarctica, Latitude 66° 33’ 5.79” S Longitude 093° 00’ 20.43” E, out to the center of the southeast edge of the world; and turned around.

Mirny Station, Antarctica latitude: 66° 33’ 5.79” S = 66.551608333333333333333333333333° S
5.79” ÷ 60” = 0.0965’
33.0965’ ÷ 60’ = 0.551608333333333333333333333333°
how far out they flew latitude: 76° S
76° S - 66.551608333333333333333333333333° S = 9.448391666666666666666666666667°
1° of latitude = 60 nautical miles
1 nautical mile = 1.15077945 statute miles
60 nautical miles × 1.15077945 statute miles = 69.046767 statute miles = 1° of latitude
9.448391666666666666666666666667° × 69.046767 statute miles = 652.38089793307500000000000000002 statute miles
since the firmament represents Latitude 80° S as Latitude 66.5° S near the center of the southeast edge of the world:
66.551608333333333333333333333333° - 66.5° = 0.051608333333333333333333333333°
80° + 0.051608333333333333333333333333° = 80.051608333333333333333333333333°
90° - 80.051608333333333333333333333333° = 9.948391666666666666666666666667°
9.948391666666666666666666666667° × 69.046767 statute miles = 686.90428143307500000000000000002 statute miles
686.90428143307500000000000000002 statute miles - 652.38089793307500000000000000002 statute miles = 34.5233835 statute miles

Glory to God.

KnowMe · Mar 27, 2019

Throughthedome said:

Sun equinox (around March 20 and September 22) declination: 0° (claimed Equator)
90° + 90° = 180°
latitude = declination
1° of latitude = 60 nautical miles
1 nautical mile = 1.15077945 statute miles
60 nautical miles × 1.15077945 statute miles = 69.046767 statute miles = 1° of latitude
180° × 69.046767 statute miles = 12,428.41806 statute miles
π = 3.1415926535897932384626433832795
12,428.41806 statute miles × 3.1415926535897932384626433832795 = 39,045.02687303871011657500366009 statute miles
39,045.02687303871011657500366009 statute miles ÷ 24 hours
1,626.8761197099462548572918191704 miles per hour
(the above is the approximate speed, because the sun speeds up and slows down as it rises and goes down over the south)

Alnilam (the center star of Orion’s Belt, in the constellation Orion) declination: - 01° 12’ 06.9” = - 1.2019166666666666666666666666667°
06.9” ÷ 60” = 0.115’
12.115’ ÷ 60’ = 0.2019166666666666666666666666667°
90° + 1.2019166666666666666666666666667° = 91.2019166666666666666666666666667°
91.2019166666666666666666666666667° × 2 = 182.40383333333333333333333333333°
latitude = declination
1° of latitude = 60 nautical miles
1 nautical mile = 1.15077945 statute miles
60 nautical miles × 1.15077945 statute miles = 69.046767 statute miles = 1° of latitude
182.40383333333333333333333333333° × 69.046767 statute miles = 12,594.3949800735 statute miles
π = 3.1415926535897932384626433832795
12,594.3949800735 statute miles × 3.1415926535897932384626433832795 = 39,566.458745807078001770708546933 statute miles
sidereal day = 23.934469888888888888888888888889 hours
39,566.458745807078001770708546933 statute miles × 23.934469888888888888888888888889 hours = 1,653.1161512866861211866423340667 miles per hour
(the above is also approximate, because just like the Sun, Alnilam also speeds up as it rises in the east, and slows down as it goes down in the west)

Sigma Octantis (the claimed South Pole star) declination: - 88° 57’ 23.3966” = - 88.9564990555555555555555555555555°
23.3966” ÷ 60” = 0.3899433333333333333333333333333’
57.3899433333333333333333333333333’ ÷ 60’ = 0.9564990555555555555555555555555°
90° + 88.9564990555555555555555555555555° = 178.9564990555555555555555555555555°
178.9564990555555555555555555555555° × 2 = 357.9129981111111111111111111111111°
latitude = declination
1° of latitude = 60 nautical miles
1 nautical mile = 1.15077945 statute miles
60 nautical miles × 1.15077945 statute miles = 69.046767 statute miles = 1° of latitude
357.9129981111111111111111111111111° × 69.046767 statute miles = 24,712.7353868493289999999999999999992 statute miles
π = 3.1415926535897932384626433832795
24,712.7353868493289999999999999999992 statute miles × 3.1415926535897932384626433832795 = 77,637.3479414343690394600688785002963 statute miles
sidereal day = 23.934469888888888888888888888889 hours
77,637.3479414343690394600688785002963 statute miles ÷ 23.934469888888888888888888888889 hours
3,243.7462915138970552560928752668445 miles per hour
(again, the above is also approximate, because just like the Sun and Alnilam, Sigma Octantis also speeds up as it rises in the east, and slows down as it goes down in the west)

Glory to God.

Each degree of latitude is approximately 69 miles (111 kilometers) apart. The range varies (due to the earth's slightly ellipsoid shape) from 68.703 miles (110.567 km) at the equator to 69.407 (111.699 km) at the poles.

KnowMe · Mar 27, 2019

Throughthedome · Mar 28, 2019

KnowMe,

That is why I said that the speeds of the stars are approximate, because the current lying map of the world does not take into account the sun rising and going down. The current lying map of the world, an azimuthal map of the world with the geographical North Pole as the center, is not the “flat earth” map that everyone believes it is; because it is just a map of the world, with all of the places mapped out on a flat surface, with their lying latitudes and longitudes; coming from a lying system of latitude and longitude, as if we were on a globe, spinning; and the sun were 93 million miles away. It is a lying system of latitude and longitude because due east and due west do (extended) circles instead of straight lines; and due south is off by 45° clockwise, among other things. The latitudes and longitudes in that system are lying, because again, they do not take into effect the rising and going down of the sun; therefore their placement in that lying system of latitude and longitude is a lie.

Now on a globe, a half of a line of longitude equals a quarter of the Longitude 0° line (the claimed Equator); in distance (6,214.20903 statute miles). And on a globe all lines of longitude are claimed to be straight. But they are not (on a true map of the world, my map). The only two lines of longitude that are straight are the Longitude 135° W and the Longitude 045° E; and both of those are different lengths. They are both straight because the shorter, the Longitude 135° W line always sees the sun doing a perfect half circle, as it goes over the north; at the same speed and altitude. The longer, the Longitude 045° E line, always sees the sun as it begins to rise in the east; speeding up as it rises, and extending it’s course outward until it gets to the south; and then once as it passes over due south (on that Longitude 045° E line), it begins to contract it’s course inward, in the same way that it extended it; and slow down, in the same (mirror image) way that it sped up, all the way until it gets to (sets in) the west; where it goes out of view. It perfectly divides the rising and going down of the sun. That is why both of them are straight. The reason the Longitude 045° E line is longer than the Longitude 135° W line, is because by extending it’s course outward when it begins to rise in the east, when the sun passes over the Longitude 045° E line at due south, it is much further away from the claimed geographical North Pole at that moment, than when it goes back around to the north (12 hours later) and goes over the Longitude 135° W line (at due north); because it closed it’s course, and therefore got closer to the center of the world, the claimed geographical North Pole, when it went down in the west.

The Longitude 135° W and the Longitude 045° E are the only two straight lines of longitude on a globe, because as I said earlier about Australia, every place in the world that is not on the Longitude 135° W and the Longitude 045° E lines, sees the sun partly as it rises or goes down, and as it goes over the north doing its perfect half circle; from sunrise to sunset. That means that running through every place of the world, outside of the Longitude 135° W and the Longitude 045° E lines, the lines of longitude actually make an arc, instead of a straight line, from the geographical South Pole (which does not exist, so from the ends of the earth) to the claimed geographical North Pole as they run through those places. This makes them longer than they are claimed to be, which is a reason why the distance of a half of a line of longitude is claimed to be equal to a quarter of the Latitude 0° line (the claimed Equator)(and a line of longitude is claimed to be equal to a half of the Latitude 0° line [the claimed Equator]; and so on). And they make an arc because imagine if you were flying in your plane from the claimed geographical South Pole, that is actually in the northeast, to the claimed geographical North Pole. Along that flight, that you believe is a straight line, is not. And it is not, because once you leave the claimed geographical South Pole, you are not flying directly toward the claimed geographical North Pole; you are flying to the left of it. And you will continue to fly to the left of it for the whole trip, making an arc, until you finally get to the claimed geographical North Pole and fly over it; having made an arc the entire time. And you will have made an arc the entire time, because everywhere you fly over, all have a specific time of solar noon (if they can see the sun; and even if they can’t, it is calculated for when they can); which calculates what direction true north (called “true” north in navigation, which means the direction of where the geographical North Pole is from you at that moment, giving you the “true” north; but there is nothing true about it) is. But since true north, over the lying globe (because there is no globe), in the lying system of latitude and longitude (lying, because it is calculating your position as if it were over a [lying] sphere globe, which does not account for the sun rising and going down every day, and as if the sun were passing equally over that [lying] sphere globe every day) does not point toward the claimed geographical North Pole (except for on the Longitude 135° W and the Longitude 045° E lines), it points toward the dividing line of when the sun is first seen and last seen on the horizon every day, and the sun is rising and going down over the south, extending it’s course wider over the world as it goes over the south, causing the sun to be seen for much longer in the sky every day than it otherwise would if the sun were doing a perfect circle over the world, that is why you will be flying to the left of the geographical North Pole for the entire time of your flight; until you pass over it.

Looking at my map of the course of the sun, in comment #66 above, you can see that coming from the ends of the earth, all of the lines of longitude in the east make an arc toward the claimed west, and all of the lines of longitude in the west make an arc toward the claimed east, instead of a straight line, while going toward the claimed geographical North Pole.

In your video, if they were to fly straight from Berlin to the claimed geographical North Pole, and back, they would not be flying a straight line. They would be flying an arc to the claimed east, both ways (flying longer than they should).

That is why the German ship Schwabenland was anchored in Longitude 4° 30’ W in 1939, and why Mirny Station, Antarctica was built on Longitude 093° 00’ 20.43” E. From Latitude 69° 14’ S Longitude 4° 30’ W it is much closer of a direct flight (almost a direct flight) to the (center of the) southwest edge of the world (Latitude 90° S [which is known as Latitude 76.5° S] Longitude 0°), than to have anchored on the Longitude 0° line; which curves to the claimed east from Latitude 90° S to the claimed geographical North Pole (Latitude 90° N). And from Latitude 66° 33’ 5.79” S Longitude 093° 00’ 20.43” E, it is much closer of a direct flight (almost a direct flight) to the (center of the) southeast edge of the world (Latitude 90° S [which is known as Latitude 76.5° S] Longitude 090° E), than to have built it on the Longitude 090° E line; which curves to the claimed west from Latitude 90° S to the claimed geographical North Pole (Latitude 90° N).

Glory to God.

KnowMe · Mar 28, 2019

Throughthedome said:

KnowMe,

That is why I said that the speeds of the stars are approximate, because the current lying map of the world does not take into account the sun rising and going down. The current lying map of the world, an azimuthal map of the world with the geographical North Pole as the center, is not the “flat earth” map that everyone believes it is; because it is just a map of the world, with all of the places mapped out on a flat surface, with their lying latitudes and longitudes; coming from a lying system of latitude and longitude, as if we were on a globe, spinning; and the sun were 93 million miles away. It is a lying system of latitude and longitude because due east and due west do (extended) circles instead of straight lines; and due south is off by 45° clockwise, among other things. The latitudes and longitudes in that system are lying, because again, they do not take into effect the rising and going down of the sun; therefore their placement in that lying system of latitude and longitude is a lie.

Now on a globe, a half of a line of longitude equals a quarter of the Longitude 0° line (the claimed Equator); in distance (6,214.20903 statute miles). And on a globe all lines of longitude are claimed to be straight. But they are not (on a true map of the world, my map). The only two lines of longitude that are straight are the Longitude 135° W and the Longitude 045° E; and both of those are different lengths. They are both straight because the shorter, the Longitude 135° W line always sees the sun doing a perfect half circle, as it goes over the north; at the same speed and altitude. The longer, the Longitude 045° E line, always sees the sun as it begins to rise in the east; speeding up as it rises, and extending it’s course outward until it gets to the south; and then once as it passes over due south (on that Longitude 045° E line), it begins to contract it’s course inward, in the same way that it extended it; and slow down, in the same (mirror image) way that it sped up, all the way until it gets to (sets in) the west; where it goes out of view. It perfectly divides the rising and going down of the sun. That is why both of them are straight. The reason the Longitude 045° E line is longer than the Longitude 135° W line, is because by extending it’s course outward when it begins to rise in the east, when the sun passes over the Longitude 045° E line at due south, it is much further away from the claimed geographical North Pole at that moment, than when it goes back around to the north (12 hours later) and goes over the Longitude 135° W line (at due north); because it closed it’s course, and therefore got closer to the center of the world, the claimed geographical North Pole, when it went down in the west.

The Longitude 135° W and the Longitude 045° E are the only two straight lines of longitude on a globe, because as I said earlier about Australia, every place in the world that is not on the Longitude 135° W and the Longitude 045° E lines, sees the sun partly as it rises or goes down, and as it goes over the north doing its perfect half circle; from sunrise to sunset. That means that running through every place of the world, outside of the Longitude 135° W and the Longitude 045° E lines, the lines of longitude actually make an arc, instead of a straight line, from the geographical South Pole (which does not exist, so from the ends of the earth) to the claimed geographical North Pole as they run through those places. This makes them longer than they are claimed to be, which is a reason why the distance of a half of a line of longitude is claimed to be equal to a quarter of the Latitude 0° line (the claimed Equator)(and a line of longitude is claimed to be equal to a half of the Latitude 0° line [the claimed Equator]; and so on). And they make an arc because imagine if you were flying in your plane from the claimed geographical South Pole, that is actually in the northeast, to the claimed geographical North Pole. Along that flight, that you believe is a straight line, is not. And it is not, because once you leave the claimed geographical South Pole, you are not flying directly toward the claimed geographical North Pole; you are flying to the left of it. And you will continue to fly to the left of it for the whole trip, making an arc, until you finally get to the claimed geographical North Pole and fly over it; having made an arc the entire time. And you will have made an arc the entire time, because everywhere you fly over, all have a specific time of solar noon (if they can see the sun; and even if they can’t, it is calculated for when they can); which calculates what direction true north (called “true” north in navigation, which means the direction of where the geographical North Pole is from you at that moment, giving you the “true” north; but there is nothing true about it) is. But since true north, over the lying globe (because there is no globe), in the lying system of latitude and longitude (lying, because it is calculating your position as if it were over a [lying] sphere globe, which does not account for the sun rising and going down every day, and as if the sun were passing equally over that [lying] sphere globe every day) does not point toward the claimed geographical North Pole (except for on the Longitude 135° W and the Longitude 045° E lines), it points toward the dividing line of when the sun is first seen and last seen on the horizon every day, and the sun is rising and going down over the south, extending it’s course wider over the world as it goes over the south, causing the sun to be seen for much longer in the sky every day than it otherwise would if the sun were doing a perfect circle over the world, that is why you will be flying to the left of the geographical North Pole for the entire time of your flight; until you pass over it.

Looking at my map of the course of the sun, in comment #66 above, you can see that coming from the ends of the earth, all of the lines of longitude in the east make an arc toward the claimed west, and all of the lines of longitude in the west make an arc toward the claimed east, instead of a straight line, while going toward the claimed geographical North Pole.

In your video, if they were to fly straight from Berlin to the claimed geographical North Pole, and back, they would not be flying a straight line. They would be flying an arc to the claimed east, both ways (flying longer than they should).

That is why the German ship Schwabenland was anchored in Longitude 4° 30’ W in 1939, and why Mirny Station, Antarctica was built on Longitude 093° 00’ 20.43” E. From Latitude 69° 14’ S Longitude 4° 30’ W it is much closer of a direct flight (almost a direct flight) to the (center of the) southwest edge of the world (Latitude 90° S [which is known as Latitude 76.5° S] Longitude 0°), than to have anchored on the Longitude 0° line; which curves to the claimed east from Latitude 90° S to the claimed geographical North Pole (Latitude 90° N). And from Latitude 66° 33’ 5.79” S Longitude 093° 00’ 20.43” E, it is much closer of a direct flight (almost a direct flight) to the (center of the) southeast edge of the world (Latitude 90° S [which is known as Latitude 76.5° S] Longitude 090° E), than to have built it on the Longitude 090° E line; which curves to the claimed west from Latitude 90° S to the claimed geographical North Pole (Latitude 90° N).

Glory to God.

where did you get all this from? a website or ?

could you explain why the poles have 6 mouths light and 6 months night?

you believe 100% that the German ship actually happened that way, how do you know that isn’t not a lie?

I say unless a person has actually been to space to see earth in its glory, it is all speculation as to shape of it. though there are photos taken from space but I know some don’t believe they are real photos.

granted I know the Bible mentioned two shapes of the earth, round and circle and yes you could say that means a flat earth but I can say just as easily, a ball is a circle and is round. it’s 50/50

KnowMe · Mar 28, 2019

I would like to see a photo of a flat earth just like the photos of a sphere earth regardless if the photo is real or not, I have only seen photos from space of a sphere earth. are there any photos of a flat earth from space or is there just drawings and pictures of what an actual flat earth would look like, I mean that’s all see are drawings and man made pictures.

KnowMe · Mar 28, 2019

Like this of a sphere earth, where’s the flat earth photos.

KnowMe · Mar 28, 2019

I want to see a video like this of a flat earth

Allykat · Mar 28, 2019

When I first heard of flatearthers I thought they were crazy. But I believe God and His word as the truth, over science any day. It's sad that many people choose science, over God nowadays. The verses that Throughthedome have posted makes sense to me. I always wondered how the four angels could stand on the four corners of the earth, if the earth was a sphere and not flat or domed. (rev. 7:1) The devil has been lying to us since the beginning. The devil is the prince of the power of air, so of course he wants everybody to believe in his creation. The devil is behind globalization, one world government, and global warming in order to bring the antichrist. It makes sense that he would start globalization with lying to us about the earth and how it's in the shape of a globe.

KnowMe · Mar 29, 2019

Allykat said:

When I first heard of flatearthers I thought they were crazy. But I believe God and His word as the truth, over science any day. It's sad that many people choose science, over God nowadays. The verses that Throughthedome have posted makes sense to me. I always wondered how the four angels could stand on the four corners of the earth, if the earth was a sphere and not flat or domed. (rev. 7:1) The devil has been lying to us since the beginning. The devil is the prince of the power of air, so of course he wants everybody to believe in his creation. The devil is behind globalization, one world government, and global warming in order to bring the antichrist. It makes sense that he would start globalization with lying to us about the earth and how it's in the shape of a globe.

It’s sad you posted this using computer science

Dino246 · Mar 29, 2019

Allykat said:

The shape of the earth is an objective reality. What we believe about it is either consistent with that reality, or not. This is a discussion over two different primary views.

To say that the enemy is "lying to us about the shape of the earth and how it's in the shape of a globe" is presupposing the answer and biasing all discussion. You've already decided that "globe" is wrong. You will then conclude that all evidence supporting "globe" is actually deception. With that, you've closed your mind to input, and if you're actually wrong, you won't know it until you're dead. Depending on how central you make this issue to your faith, you might be useless in witnessing, because you spend your efforts trying to convince people of a certain shape instead of pointing them to a certain Person.

I suggest you read the posts in this thread from AuntieAnt. She has provided some very good material on the linguistic reasons why people believe in a particular shape.

Marcelo · Mar 29, 2019

Allykat said:

What you say makes sense and it seems the flat-Earth movement is on the rise.

Throughthedome · Mar 29, 2019

KnowMe,

No I did not get it from a website. Everything that I have given to you I received from the Lord. Give all of the glory, and the honor, and the praise to Him. The six months of light and the six months of darkness at the center of our world, and at the four corners (therefore the four edges) happen because during between around March 20 and September 22, the sun runs it’s courses closer to the center of the world; the claimed geographical North Pole. Then between around September 22 and March 20, the sun runs it’s courses closer to the edges of the world; and as during that time, is represented in the firmament from the claimed Southern Hemisphere as doing a clockwise rotation above the world, instead of like in the claimed Northern Hemisphere it is doing a counterclockwise rotation above the world; because the firmament is coming down to rest in the clamed Southern Hemisphere. It is always doing a counterclockwise rotation above the world, as being observed from below it. But in the claimed Southern Hemisphere, it is presented as doing a clockwise rotation above the world, along with the rest of the stars, because the firmament is coming down to rest at the ends of the earth. That is how there is six months of light in the claimed geographical North Pole, and six months of light at the four corners of the world (and therefore the four edges); simultaneously.

Yes I believe 100% that the ship Schwabenland went to anchor in Latitude 69° 14’ S Longitude 4° 30’ W, because it left Hamburg, Germany in December of 1938. It then went around Africa, and did almost a direct due claimed south course to anchor there; which was just off of their territory, Neuschwabenland; that was known to be Latitude 69° 10’ S to Latitude 76° 30’ S, and Longitude 11° 30’ W to Longitude 020° 00’ E. The reason they anchored in Longitude 4° 30’ W, was so their planes, the Boreas and Passat, could fly the shortest distance to observe the edge of the world.

There is no outer space. I have already told you that you can see bubbles in official spacewalk videos from NASA. That means they are underwater when they are filming. And yes, all of the photos taken from that claimed outer space are obviously fake. You can put photos that are claimed to be taken from outer space of the globe and compare the land masses on each one with the size of the globe it is on; and then compare those land masses together and see that the same place is larger on one globe, and smaller on the other. Of course NASA will just tell you that it is a compilation of photos put together to make that photo of the globe; and then obviously a good enough job wasn’t done when the photo was made. But it is all lies, because there is no globe.

The bible does not say two shapes, round and circle. It says the circle of the earth. That means, and can only mean the circle of dry land. Think about it. If it meant that, it would mean the circle of the dry land, all of it, the whole world is dry land. But obviously it is not, because right now we have seas.

Again, there is no space. That means there is no outer space. So all of the photos you have seen from there are lies (of the whole globe). The reason you only see drawings of the truth, is because they cannot get high enough to take a picture of the whole thing. That picture you show in #154 is fake, because like I just said, they use a compilation of photos to make a photo of what the globe would look like. Also, there is video of how astronauts were claiming to see the round world in the distance, and then the lights came on and it was just the round window inside of their aircraft that was being filmed in the dark; passed off as the round world in the distance.

Again, you will never see a video of all of God’s creation here below heaven, because they cannot get that high to film the whole thing. That is why you get the lie that you do.

God bless you sister Allykat. Do not worry about these people. Glory to God that you can see the truth.

KnowMe, leave her alone. She sees the truth.

In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. 2 Corinthians 4:4

And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. John 3:13

For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. John 6:38

And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. John 8:23

The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; Matthew 13:38

Dino246, if you weren’t “presupposing the answer and biasing all discussion” and hadn’t “closed your mind to input,” you wouldn’t be here doing the things you are doing. All you are doing is talking about being dead.

And Marcelo, there you are making jokes, because that is all you have. You don’t even know that the Flat Earth Society is one of the leading guarders of the truth, as everyone who exposes it there they immediately put it in the “complete nonsense” file; that cannot be accessed, unless you have an account. And they do it very quickly because they flood the thread with pure nonsense by paid contributors.

I will not sit here and just let things happen like they are. Don’t you see? Don’t you get it. The way things are going, and then one day aliens claim to arrive. What then? And you will all believe that they came from an outer space. But you have no clue that there is no outer space and that they have been here all along. And they are evil because of the sexual experiments that they have done on people. I have told you the truth from the word of God. If you don’t believe it, that is between you and God. But I have told you.

Yes it is difficult to accept. Yes it is one of the hardest things in the world to accept – believing that you have lived on a globe for your entire life; and then that turning out to be a lie. Trust me. I know. I have gone through the same thing. But I have entered once and for all into the truth, and I will not leave it. You must do the same. This is the truth. It is the word of God. Believe the word of God, which is Jesus Christ.

It is the same thing that is happening at the Wailing Wall. For centuries now people have been praying at what they believe is a wall around which the temple was built. But that wall is nothing more that the wall that surrounded the barracks of the Roman soldiers, during the time of Jesus. The first two temples, along with the third one that will be built, were built on Mount Zion, just south of there.

Glory to God.

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