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dcontroversal

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Hevosmies said:
As someone here said: "to the iggy bin".

Im throwing @YourTruthGod To my ignore bin because of his refusal to apologize, continued false accusations and bearing false witness with no kind of repentance, WHILE hypocritically maintaining he is obedient and nobody else is, and is maintaining his salvation.

This is the worst delusion ive seen on this forum so far! He is a LOST CAUSE, only God can help him. I hope God does, before PRIDE goes into DESTRUCTION!

I guess i shouldnt be surprised of this level of delusion, we are in the last of the last days CLEARLY!
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Amen.....when one claims a special revelation from God.....and states openly he can earn salvation by righteous deeds......they state clearly that they are deceived and void of truth!!
 
YourTruthGod

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Budman said:
They are absolutely blind. Not only blind, but leading others to blindness.

They can't see the utter stupidity of claiming to believe salvation is a gift, but it's a gift that must be earned by continual obedience. Which means; it isn't a gift at all!

Or claiming they aren't earning their salvation, while teaching that to remain saved, one must work for it. Which is the epitome of "earning" it!

They teach we are to merit grace, while the very definition of grace is that it is unmerited!

Their "gospel" isn't "good news" at all
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The good news is not, "Hey, Everyone, we don't have to obey God."

Budman said:
- but bondage.
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Yeah, like a bond servant.

Budman said:
A points based salvation based on a number of works that they can't define.
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I live through love and by doing that, I happen to obey all those commands.
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They can't tell you just how many good works/acts of obedience keeps one saved,
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Why would you stop obeying Jesus?

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or lack of a certain number that will cause you to lose salvation.
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Keep that relationship going with God.
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They avoid questions like; if one loses salvation, can they be saved again?
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If someone does lose salvation for something bad, then there are scriptures that say no.
I think it would be hard to lose salvation. God is merciful and patient, and if you are doing wrong He will want you to come back to Him.
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How many times? Or, if a Christian dies with unconfessed sin, do they go to hell?
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God knows if you love that sin are not. If someone does have to go to hell for something, then they can still repent.
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Or the answers they give are simply generic. Like: "Well, only God knows."
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You are the one who wouldn't give any kind of additional information or examples.
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They have placed themselves under a curse for preaching a different gospel. If I were them, I'd be terrified.
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You should be terrified.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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dcontroversal said:
Amen.....probably Petey or Seoche......the other two resident banned n back ones.....
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Could be, Could also be the young man I just place into my prayer bin last evening. It was not petey though I can see what he posts.
 
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dcontroversal said:
The light of the truth ALWAYS exposes the fraudulent deceivers......especially ones that claim a special revelation from God or one that states openly salvation can be gained by righteous deeds.......that view is straight from Satan...
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Lol.. Is he even still posting?
 
dcontroversal

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Budman said:
They are absolutely blind. Not only blind, but leading others to blindness.

They can't see the utter stupidity of claiming to believe salvation is a gift, but it's a gift that must be earned by continual obedience. Which means; it isn't a gift at all!

Or claiming they aren't earning their salvation, while teaching that to remain saved, one must work for it. Which is the epitome of "earning" it!

They teach we are to merit grace, while the very definition of grace is that it is unmerited!

Their "gospel" isn't "good news" at all - but bondage. A points based salvation based on a number of works that they can't define. They can't tell you just how many good works/acts of obedience keeps one saved, or lack of a certain number that will cause you to lose salvation. They avoid questions like; if one loses salvation, can they be saved again? How many times? Or, if a Christian dies with unconfessed sin, do they go to hell?

Or the answers they give are simply generic. Like: "Well, only God knows."

They have placed themselves under a curse for preaching a different gospel. If I were them, I'd be terrified.
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Amen......his special revelation bs told me all I need to know......I knew from day one he was false.....and knew he would have some off the wall views.....sure enough
 
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dcontroversal said:
Amen......his special revelation bs told me all I need to know......I knew from day one he was false.....and knew he would have some off the wall views.....sure enough
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Its sad, I know who your talking about..lol
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Remember bro. The pharisee saw Jesus raise a man from the dead, and it could not convince them, When your pride has yet to be broken, You will not see even if it is right in front of you. You will excuse it away in order to continue to maintain your pride

How did th epharisee exuse it away? They determined they had to KILL both JESUS and LAZARUS! To hide the fact which exposed them.
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They thought if everyone would believe in Jesus then they would have their temple and nation taken away.

John 11:48 If we let him go on like this, everyone will believe in him, and then the Romans will come and take away both our temple and our nation."
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
how to tell the difference between a person who believes in salvation by works. And those who hold we have faith in god which leads to good works

Salvation by works....(a few things they will do)

1. Salvation is maintained by works (we can lose salvation if we are not producing works. Or return to sin)
2. Do not believe in eternal security
3. Attack OSAS, even though they usually have no idea what OSAS means (proven by their arguments)
4. Attack grace believers as loving their sin
5. Attack Grace believers as teaching one can be saved and continue to live as they did before
6. Boast of their own works.
7. When speak of the gospel. Concentrate on sin, repenting of sin, and believe that we can change our own lives, and become obedient to the point of salvation

Belief in Christ which leads to good works (a few things they will do)

1. Salvation is recieved by repentance and brokenness which leads to us calling out on the name of Christ
2. Understand the love of God, which saved us, is our guarantee of eternal life (we can stand boldly on the day of judgment based on Gods love)
3. Can spot legalism based on just a few words of other people.
4. In war against licentiousness (easy believism) and legalism (salvation by works)
5. Preach that our goal in life is to become sanctified by the 4 means of growth (acts 2)
6. Will not boast of works. Will always boast in christ and the cross
7. When speak of the gospel. Will concentrate on Gods Love, Gods Gift, The cross, And the fact we stand guilty before God no matter how many or what type of sins a person has commited in the past (the focus is in God. Not self)

As you can see, it is prety easy to figure out the difference between these two groups Its not that hard at all. And i just gave a few points, there are many many more.
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Amen......or like the words of the bible


Be merciful unto me a sinner

as opposed to...

I thank God I am not like that sinner...I do this, I do that, I deserve it because...blah blah blah
 
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YourTruthGod said:
How do you get that God does not love those who love Him?!
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Read this slowly and focus on the exact words please...

In that chapter of Proverbs, the subject is wisdom.

If you seek to be wise in all that you do, you will excel. That's what that line is saying. If you love wisdom, then wisdom will reward you or love you back.

God loves all His creation. And we love Him for He first loved us. That goes with His choosing us. We didn't choose Him. God is so awesomely good to us, we can't help but love Him.
 
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dcontroversal said:
Those who have an understanding of the truth are like global hawks.....we can spot truth or deception like glowing neon signs 100 foot tall in an open field.........and like I have said....the salvation losers, workers for, sinless perfectionists, Cainologists and Pharisees are as easy to spot with a metal detector sitting dead center over a cast iron man hole cover on top the ground.....their deception and twist of the word is as plain as the sun in the sky on a clear day!!!!
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If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain. 1 Timothy 6:3-5

...Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me. Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.” John 8:42-47

...We know that we have come to know him IF WE OBEY HIS COMMANDS. The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is A LIAR, and THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM. But if anyone OBEYS HIS WORD, God’s love is truly made complete in him. THIS IS HOW WE KNOW WE ARE IN HIM: Whoever claims to live in him must WALK AS JESUS D. 1 John 2:3-6
 
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dcontroversal said:
Amen......or like the words of the bible


Be merciful unto me a sinner

as opposed to...

I thank God I am not like that sinner...I do this, I do that, I deserve it because...blah blah blah
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Your almost caught up. Now you get to go through petey trying to defend himself at all costs. Like he normally does..
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Remember bro. The pharisee saw Jesus raise a man from the dead, and it could not convince them, When your pride has yet to be broken, You will not see even if it is right in front of you. You will excuse it away in order to continue to maintain your pride

How did th epharisee exuse it away? They determined they had to KILL both JESUS and LAZARUS! To hide the fact which exposed them.
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Like Abraham told the rich man....if they will not believe the law and the prophets (which pointed to Christ) they will not believe though one rose from the dead.....and one did rise from the dead.....and he is alive forever more...Praise God for Jesus Christ, his promises, his power, his work, his blood, his faith and HIS SALVATION!!!!!
 
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dcontroversal said:
Like Abraham told the rich man....if they will not believe the law and the prophets (which pointed to Christ) they will not believe though one rose from the dead.....and one did rise from the dead.....and he is alive forever more...Praise God for Jesus Christ, his promises, his power, his work, his blood, his faith and HIS SALVATION!!!!!
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Amen,,

If people will not allow themselves to be broken by Gods drawing, nothing will change their minds..
 
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YourTruthGod said:
I have a powerful testimony. You shouldn't be sad for me but for yourself.
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The only powerful testimony is one which gives God all the glory through His Son Jesus Christ for the free gift of eternal salvation for those who accept Christ as their Lord and Savior. Free and open to all who would come forth and accept. No works, no twisting of scripture, no confidence in flesh but gratefulness for a merciful and loving God.
 
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You need to read more carefully. Paul was once Saul, who persecuted the church before his transformation by Jesus Christ. Paul explains how he believed in "legalism" yet once Jesus got His hands on Saul, he became Paul and then shows true circumcision is of the "heart" of a person. It's all about what is in one's heart/soul.
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Paul believed in circumcision of the flesh. That is the works of the law Paul was saying no more.
You should believe the truth.
 
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The only powerful testimony is one which gives God all the glory through His Son Jesus Christ for the free gift of eternal salvation for those who accept Christ as their Lord and Savior. Free and open to all who would come forth and accept. No works, no twisting of scripture, no confidence in flesh but gratefulness for a merciful and loving God.
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Is he still rambling about a testimony?
 
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