Thou shalt not kill

I kind of feel the same way. I have lived 65 years without having to kill another person. Now, I think I would rather die myself than have to kill someone else, even in self defense.

Yes i will be forgiven because i believe Jesus and trust in the atonement He secured for my salvation.. As long as i don't try and justify the evil i have done.. If i am guilty of causing the death of another person no matter how that came to happen then i would aknowledge it as my sin to God and thank Him for His Atonement that Atones for my sin..

We are not saved because we achieve a state if sinlessness... We are saved because we are forgiven all our sins..

Wonderful to hear oldhermit May you be greatly blessed indeed..

In the instance provided the accident was not intentional as there was no malice involved so therefore no sin was committed even though the life of someone was tragically ended. Rather than praying for forgiveness it may be better to pray for comfort and understanding for yourself and for possibly the family of the one that was killed in the accident. If that happened to me I probably would never drive again and would feel horrible even though it was an accident.

One thing that needs to be understood is that even the Law of Moses differentiated between murder and killing. The penalty for murder was the death of the murder. The law also provided for the protection of the one who had killed accidently. If the death was proven to be a accident, the one responsible would be declared innocent yet, in order to escape the blood avenger he could flee to a city of refuge until the death of the high priest. “But if he pushed him suddenly without enmity, or threw something at him without lying in wait, or with any deadly object of stone, and without seeing it dropped on him so that he died, while he was not his enemy nor seeking his injury, then the congregation shall judge between the slayer and the blood avenger according to these ordinances. The congregation shall deliver the manslayer from the hand of the blood avenger, and the congregation shall restore him to his city of refuge to which he fled; and he shall live in it until the death of the high priest who was anointed with the holy oil. But if the manslayer at any time goes beyond the border of his city of refuge to which he may flee, and the blood avenger finds him outside the border of his city of refuge, and the blood avenger kills the manslayer, he will not be guilty of blood because he should have remained in his city of refuge until the death of the high priest. But after the death of the high priest the manslayer shall return to the land of his possession. These things shall be for a statutory ordinance to you throughout your generations in all your dwellings.” Numbers 35:22-28.

I would pray for forgiveness if the Holy Spirit was convicting me of my guilt.. Of course i may never have intended to cause the death of another.. But it may have been that i was not driving with caution.. Or there was a mechanical failure in my car because i had not maintained my car properly.. In that case i would acknowledge my sin and thank Jesus for His atonement..

Of course if i was in no way responsible or if the other driver was responsible then yeah i would not be praying that to God.. I would be praying for the deceased persons loved ones.. All who would be grieving the death..

I know some people get caught up in this emotion.. it is like a post trauma distress where the person seeks to blame themselves illogicaly,, even when they did not cause the accident and could not have done anything to prevent it.. That is something that the sufferer needs prayer for.. To help them overcome the PTS and find their peace of mind again..

It is sin to cause someone else to sin on your account. If you recon violence as sin regardless and refuse to defend yourself, your wife, your children, the defenseless, yet you call the police to do violence on your behalf you sin more egregiously. Because you cause someone else to sin.
I personally think that it is sin not to protect your own and others because I see the command to do so through out the Bible. If you see an evil person committing a crime against another and you do not intervene you are a coward, and the cowardly are listed among those who will not make it into heaven.

Regardless of what any of us “think” or “feel,” if our understanding of life’s issues are not based on God’s Words, we err, to our detriment, and the worlds.

For the life of me, I shudder that so many ponder such fundamental issues where their thoughts and feelings trump Scripture.

The cowardly may indeed make it into heaven if they have received salvation for their sins but perhaps only by the skin of their teeth. You provided an excellent example in regards to willfully ending the life of another with the intent of malice verses defending yourself and your family. One would certainly be a hypocrite if they were unwilling to protect their family out of fear of breaking the commandment to not kill yet were willing to let the police do the necessary wet work. There is some sort of disconnect there that needs to be addressed. There are those that cannot see the distinction between the commandment "Do not kill' verses the need for self-defense against those that would cause you harm and intend to hurt your family.

Sure if that is the way you wish to read the intent , obviously conversion is logically preferable but....
An Apostle selleth his cloak an buyeth a daggar.
A strong man doth not suffer his house to be broken into.
A child offender is better off with a millstone about his neck.
A temple should be cleared of thieves and desocrators of sanctity.

Love each other as I have loved you......No greater love has he who lays down his life ( and imho ...in defense of friends, family, the innocent or unjustly persecuted and the blessing of the lamp of freedom unto the world because freedom is not free
Officers and agents of peace include civil authorities who lay down their lives )
Defense is a necessity.
Without it there would be no peace and only wickedness which God already affirmed by destruction.
A man does not stand by on the phone on a 911 call while his friends neighbors family etc. die or become brutally victimized by criminals. Or his nation is invaded by those who do not care what his faith might be.
The laying down of life in love does not end at the cross it begins there....in ministry, just actions of established civil powers, and in establishing and maintaining and respecting life and liberty to worship in peace and a responsibility of defending it all. Otherwise one is not a good steward of the liberty of faith they were blessed with!
Praise Gods Glory that he gave the USA so many patriotic VETERANS to defend your liberty of faith!
My own family laid down their lives honorably and respectfully in service to establish maintain and defend the USA .....
I will not stand by and listen to dissrespect and dishonorable defiling of their service or the twisting of scripture to make them appear as criminals who did not as Quakers and Protestants worship the same SAVIOR and see them wrongly accused of violating his commands because there are those of ignorance who wish to pervert corrupt and defile scripture and our SAVIOR by misrepresentation.
Life Liberty and Freedom of worship of the blood of the cross and Freedom to minister the blood of the cross......must be defended at all cost.....and as said my family laid down their own lives to provide that freedom.
So........if anyone is ignorant ingrate that can't appreciate that or are unwilling to fight to preserve it or are hellbent on disrespecting it.
They should leave beyond a shadow of doubt....they should pack it up and get the hell out.
If they have no respect for freedom of life and defense of it.....
Because be it divine or not a lot more other blood was shed after the cross to provide them the right and Freedom to worship the cross in peace....if they are unwilling to do the same or support and respect the same they don't deserve to enjoy the same.
It is a disrespectful defilement to perpetrat the lie and deception that the price is not continued to be paid or that Jesus disapproves of those who lay down their lives for it !
All through history there has been a continued. Honorable blood sacrifice required in defense of the cross.
Only a blind ignorant fool would deny the right to defend it or disrespect that right.....because without continued blood sacrifices.
There is no freedom of ministry.
Final answer!

I’m as patriotic as the next person and my father too laid down his life for our country. I believe you have misunderstood my posts. Biblically, the correct word is kill as stated in the KJV. Nowhere are we given the right to kill under the blood of Christ. Are we allowed to defend our life? Absolutely!

Our government has taken away our right to pray and worship in public schools. Does this give us a right to kill them? Of course not.

Besides, Paul tells us to expect persecution if we live godly. We are not to kill another because we are being persecuted. I’m a Christian first, and an American second.

Could you interpret this verse for me Johnny?
Jude
3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should EARNESTLY CONTEND for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.


I dunno about you! But, that sounds RATHER "aggressive" to me.

Maybe there's a lotta people self indentifying as Chrsitains, that "apparently", have not had the FAITH OF THE SAINTS delivered to them?

I dunno, Johnny! Looking for a little clarity here.

Didnt Jesus say that there is no greater show of love that giving your life for another?

I thank God that I have never been put in a place where I had to take another's life.
If it was to save my on life, probably would not do so.
BUT, if it was my wife, child, or an innocent person that was threatened, I would not hesitate.

For those who believe it is wrong under any circumstances, would you call the police if you thought that police might take a life to save you?

Thank you for your fathers service.
Because of the Cross the temple curtain was rent.
Removing the Church State authority. Christ replaced it as our intercessor to our father.
And of course the removal of that Church State was once again reaffirmed by the physical removal by the Transgressor Desolator littlehorn king
( Iron Roman Empire ) of Daniel 8.:9.....70 AD ....in
1-8 Alexander the Great and Medo Persia fight and 4 Greek kings follow Alex. 9-14 is Iron Rome...that takes you up to Dan 8: 14 when the fullness of the Gentile Iron Rome have come to power......
Where a king stands up not of its own power ( Iron and RCC Clay get mixed Constantine conquers in sign of Cross
KILLING BY THE HELP OF GOD UNDER THE BLOOD OF THE CROSS.......
After Constantine comes to power the Iron and Clay are mixed Christianity becomes STATE RELIGION......
THE LITTLE HORN IS BOTH ROME AND CHRISTIANITY
So......then the rest of 8 the angel interpretation is the same as Dan 7-14 till son of man come advent 2
7-8 and 7-20-22 are the little horn blasphemer Iron -Clay mix again.....
23,24 the Iron
25-The Clay RCC 538 AD JUSTINIAN DECREE
RCC CHURCH STATE ROME IRON TO BIG DIVIDED NOT
CONQUERED.......
538- 1500 or so 100 Million Christians and others killed under the little horn beast RCC BLOOD UNDER THE CROSS
1000 YRS DARK AGES CRUSADES WARS HERESIES ETC ETC ETC BLOODSHED UNDER THE CHURCH STATE OF THE CROSS......
1798 Napoleon arrests Pope
Removes RCC CHURCH STATE
power temporarily ( Receives deadly wound unto death. )
In exile....1260 years of Dan 7:25 fulfilled.....
7:26 but the dominion shall be taken away consumed slowly until the Kingdom of God come......
So......Beast 2 comes up out of earth 2 horns USA Buffalo Rev.
The 2 horns represent Christian principles
All men created equal
Freedom of worship
Duality
Seperation of Church and State.....
All the Wars fought here to establish those principles and maintain them.....
ARE CHRISTIAN CROSS BLOOD WARS THE FULFILLMENT
OF DANIEL AND REVELATION
PROPHECIES !!!!!
For God Jesus!!!! To his purposeful intent
PREDESTINED BY HIS WORD
So.......call it right to kill under the blood of the Cross or whatever you want it was predestined by God!!!
God established this Christian nation as a blessing in the world and we have a responsibility as stewards to maintain it as such and defend it as such until kingdom come!!
By his Grace & For his Glory

Now.....agreed a revolt over public school policy would not be Christian or justified.
His wird tells us he establishe the Civil powers. We have Christian schools THANK GOD

I can say this. I would do everything iny power to.protect my family or for that matter anyone that was in serious trouble. I would give my life for them. And i might even take anothers life to save my family or your family because the state of my mind would certainly not be in the state it is now. As for calling the police.....i wouldnt hesitate because my calling them would not be for them.to kill.anyone. it wouldnt be my intention.
Well thats my anwer to your question. May God bless you....

Thanks for making your stand more clear to me.

My pleasure. Sometimes it is difficult to to put your thoughts in their true form in a few sentences especially on deep sensitive topics.
God bless.....

Are you equating earnestly contend to killing because someone wants to shut Christians up?

Death Penalty - An excerpt from my Book

I shall probably alienate many Christians as I delve deeper into this chapter, dealing with life and death issues. God speaking to ancient Israel, covers what He expects from government claiming belief in Him.

Consider the following: “If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the Lord thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the Lord thy God, in transgressing His covenant, and hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; and it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel: Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die. At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death. The hands of the witnesses shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterward the hands of all the people. So thou shalt put the evil away from among you” (Deuteronomy 17:2-7).

Does God believe in the death penalty? It appears so. When Christ came with the New Testament, He was addressing us on a personal level; that is what the New Testament is about. It was the Word of God, pre-Christ, that was delivering the statutes and laws to the ancient Israelites. When the apostle Steven was about to be martyred, he was telling the Pharisees about Christ. “This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, a prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; Him shall ye hear. This is He, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sinai [also see Horeb], and with our fathers: Who received the lively oracles to give unto us” (Acts 7:37,38).

Notice that the pre-incarnate Christ was the One interacting with ancient Israel. Read also John 1:1-10. If you think Jesus is thinking differently now, consider: “Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and today, and for ever” (Hebrews 13:8).