Why is praying in tongues necessary?

Without the Church Fathers how would you document the existence of Spiritual Gifts in the Church beyond the time of the NT?

Five Different kinds of tongues
1) Personal prayer language - Speaking to/with God
2) Intercessory prayer language - Praying for others in the Spirit

Me: Jesus clearly says to pray in our closets. Public prayers are to be done in an orderly manner, not all at once. Not a God of confusion.

3) Prophetic prayer language - Addressing the whole church/preferably with interpretation

Interpretation of Prophecy in the church is not a prayer.

4) Singing in the Spirit - Singing in tongues/worship activity

"Singing In the Spirit" has a wide range of meanings. In the ZONDERVAN DICTIONARY OF PENTECOSTAL AND CHARISMATIC MOVEMENTS, Donald A. Johns has pointed out that in I Corinthians 14: 13-19, Paul seems to equate singing in the Spirit with singing in tongues (p. 788). On the other hand, in the same reference work, Delton L. Alford refers to singing in the Spirit as "spiritual or spirited singing" (p. 690), in contrast to "communicative or impactive singing," or what Paul refers to as singing with the understanding.

Is the singing in the Spirit in done in order, in unison in Pentecostal Churches?

5) Evangelistic language - Speaking the message of God to a people in their own language (not yours)

That depends on who you ask.

A.D. 100 - Eusebius (Church Historian):
Writing to the preaching evangelists who were yet living, Eusebius says:
"Of those that flourished in these times, Quadratus is said to have been distinguished
for his prophetical gifts. There were many others, also, noted in these times who held
rank in the apostolic succession... the Holy Spirit also wrought many wonders as yet
through them, so that as the Gospel was heard, men in crowds voluntarily and eagerly
embraced the true faith with their whole minds."

A.D. 115-202 - Irenaeus:
Irenaeus was a pupil of Polycarp, who was a disciple of the apostle John.
He wrote in his book "Against Heresies", Book V, vi.: "In like manner do we also hear
many brethren in the church who possess prophetic gifts, and who through the Spirit
speak all kinds of languages, and bring to light, for the general benefit, the hidden
things of men and declare the mysteries of God, who also the apostles term spiritual."

A.D. 300 - The Early Martyrs:
The early martyrs enjoyed these gifts. Dean Ferrar, in his book "Darkness to Dawn" states:
"Even for the minutest allusions and particulars I have contemporary authority." He refers
to the persecuted Christians in Rome singing and speaking in unknown tongues.

A.D. 390 - Chrysostom of Constantinople:
Chrysostom, Bishop of Constantinople, writes: "Whoever was baptised in apostolic days,
he straightway spoke with tongues, for since on their coming over from idols, without any
clear knowledge or training in the Scriptures, they at once received the Spirit, not that
they saw the Spirit, for He is invisible, but God's grace bestowed some sensible proof of
His energy, and one straightway spoke in the Persian language, another in the Roman,
another in the Indian, another in some other tongues, and this made manifest to them that
were without that it was the Spirit in the very person speaking. Wherefore the apostle
calls it the manifestation of the Spirit which is given to every man to profit withal."

A.D. 400 - Augustine of Hippo:
Augustine, Bishop of Hippo, one of the four great fathers of the Latin Church and
considered the greatest of them all: "We still do what the apostles did when they laid
hands on the Samaritans and called down the Holy Spirit on them in the laying-on of hands.
It is expected that converts should speak with new tongues."

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Acts 2

That depends on who you ask.

A.D. 100 - Eusebius (Church Historian):
Writing to the preaching evangelists who were yet living, Eusebius says:
"Of those that flourished in these times, Quadratus is said to have been distinguished
for his prophetical gifts. There were many others, also, noted in these times who held
rank in the apostolic succession... the Holy Spirit also wrought many wonders as yet
through them, so that as the Gospel was heard, men in crowds voluntarily and eagerly
embraced the true faith with their whole minds."

A.D. 115-202 - Irenaeus:
Irenaeus was a pupil of Polycarp, who was a disciple of the apostle John.
He wrote in his book "Against Heresies", Book V, vi.: "In like manner do we also hear
many brethren in the church who possess prophetic gifts, and who through the Spirit
speak all kinds of languages, and bring to light, for the general benefit, the hidden
things of men and declare the mysteries of God, who also the apostles term spiritual."

A.D. 300 - The Early Martyrs:
The early martyrs enjoyed these gifts. Dean Ferrar, in his book "Darkness to Dawn" states:
"Even for the minutest allusions and particulars I have contemporary authority." He refers
to the persecuted Christians in Rome singing and speaking in unknown tongues.

A.D. 390 - Chrysostom of Constantinople:
Chrysostom, Bishop of Constantinople, writes: "Whoever was baptised in apostolic days,
he straightway spoke with tongues, for since on their coming over from idols, without any
clear knowledge or training in the Scriptures, they at once received the Spirit, not that
they saw the Spirit, for He is invisible, but God's grace bestowed some sensible proof of
His energy, and one straightway spoke in the Persian language, another in the Roman,
another in the Indian, another in some other tongues, and this made manifest to them that
were without that it was the Spirit in the very person speaking. Wherefore the apostle
calls it the manifestation of the Spirit which is given to every man to profit withal."

A.D. 400 - Augustine of Hippo:
Augustine, Bishop of Hippo, one of the four great fathers of the Latin Church and
considered the greatest of them all: "We still do what the apostles did when they laid
hands on the Samaritans and called down the Holy Spirit on them in the laying-on of hands.
It is expected that converts should speak with new tongues."

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Why are there things in my post quote that I did not write?

If I speak against the gift of tongues, am I actually speaking against the Giver of the gift?

Would this be a wise thing to do?

Nope, if it is a false teaching. Speaking in tongues was a gift which was not giving to all believers, as the gift of healing was not giving to all believers.

If it, as it is today taught, that all believers can have the gift of speakimg in tongues is a false teaching. Which we cant find in the bible.
As child of God, it doesnt matter i pray in tongues ore in any language. Praying in tongues brings me not to an deeper relationship with the father.
So for what is it nessasary to pray in tongues?

Nope.

So many great men of the faith never spoke a word in tongues.

Even Paul said, "I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue." (1 Corinthians 14:9)

Kinda puts it into perspective right there.

Hello wolfwint and Budman,

Wouldn't it be foolish to say to God, "The gift You want to give me is not necessary?"

God knows what is necessary and He gives gifts according to His Will. Who are we to speak against Him?

Paul did not speak against the gift of tongues or the Giver of the gift, he never said the gift of tongues was not necessary.

Paul did say when in public it is better to speak a known language that can be understood but, he never said tongues was not necessary.

Paul also never said praying in tongues is nessasary. And as the bible says it is normal that not all believers will get this gift.
So for what is it nessassary today?

If I speak against the gift of tongues, am I actually speaking against the Giver of the gift?

Would this be a wise thing to do?

No one is following I Thess 5:21 to prove all things.

God for example gave us tests for prophets:

Deuteronomy 18:20-22
But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.’ And if you say in your heart, ‘How may we know the word that the Lord has not spoken?’— when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him.

Jeremiah 28:9 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSVCE)
9 As for the prophet who prophesies peace, when the word of that prophet comes to pass, then it will be known that the Lord has truly sent the prophet.”

Deut 13:1 If prophets or those who divine by dreams appear among you and promise you omens or portents, 13:2 and the omens or the portents declared by them take place, and they say, "Let us follow other gods" (whom you have not known) "and let us serve them," 13:3 you must not heed the words of those prophets or those who divine by dreams; for the LORD your God is testing you, to know whether you indeed love the LORD your God with all your heart and soul.

Deuteronomy 13.6-8:

13:6 If anyone secretly entices you--even if it is your brother, your father's son or your mother's son, or your own son or daughter, or the wife you embrace, or your most intimate friend--saying, "Let us go worship other gods," whom neither you nor your ancestors have known, 13:7 any of the gods of the peoples that are around you, whether near you or far away from you, from one end of the earth to the other, 13:8 you must not yield to or heed any such persons.

I Cor 14
9 So with yourselves; if you in a tongue utter speech that is not intelligible, how will any one know what is said? For you will be speaking into the air. 10 There are doubtless many different languages in the world, and none is without meaning; 11 but if I do not know the meaning of the language, I shall be a foreigner to the speaker and the speaker a foreigner to me.

Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others weigh what is said.

God expects us to test spiritual manifestations to see if they really come from the giver of gifts or are just made up or are from demons.


There are false prophets, cults that speaks in Gibberish aka as tongues as used in modern pentecostal churches.

It is a logical fallacy to say if the false exists that proves the genuine exists. If one were to make a false five and a half dollar bill that would not prove a real one exists. If one were a false prophet does not mean that a real exists.

Nope, if it is a false teaching. Speaking in tongues was a gift which was not giving to all believers, as the gift of healing was not giving to all believers.

If it, as it is today taught, that all believers can have the gift of speakimg in tongues is a false teaching. Which we cant find in the bible.
As child of God, it doesnt matter i pray in tongues ore in any language. Praying in tongues brings me not to an deeper relationship with the father.
So for what is it nessasary to pray in tongues?

Why is praying in tongues necessary?

Romans 8:26-27 New International Version (NIV)
26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans. 27 And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God.

This common proof text does not say the Holy Spirit is praying in tongues unknown to the Human through the Human's mouth. A groan is not a human language and Acts 2 was plainly in Human Languages.

Acts 2
5 Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven. 6 When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard their own language being spoken.7 Utterly amazed, they asked: “Aren’t all these who are speaking Galileans?8 Then how is it that each of us hears them in our native language?9 Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia,[b] 10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome 11 (both Jews and converts to Judaism); Cretans and Arabs—we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!”

We know the Holy Spirit is our Teacher and the gift of tongues is a gift of the Holy Spirit so, no one can explain it better than the Holy Spirit!

I have given answers in previous posts, and now, have no more answers for you. I wish you all the best!

Hello wolfwint and Budman,

Wouldn't it be foolish to say to God, "The gift You want to give me is not necessary?"

God knows what is necessary and He gives gifts according to His Will. Who are we to speak against Him?

Paul did not speak against the gift of tongues or the Giver of the gift, he never said the gift of tongues was not necessary.

Paul did say when in public it is better to speak a known language that can be understood but, he never said tongues was not necessary.