Not By Works

Jesus never said HIS SON was dead

Jesus told a parable in which a father said his son (who was still alive) was dead


(it is dangerous to make the text say something it does not say)

One has no hope whatsoever, the other is still the fathers son. and will have the joy of an eternity with his father

I pointed this out to you yesterday and was accused of being condescending.

Jesus absolutely said The Prodigal Son was dead and lost
1.) It is his story he is the one telling it. Since he is the author of it

2) would Jesus use a lie to teach you the truth? Of course not

You are right about one thing, you shouldn't make the text say something that it doesn't

I think what they mean by dead is not in relationship but still saved.
The concept they hold seems to be, God will save the "believer", but they are in a huff.
Accepting someone could reject God and it is a two way rejection with eternal consequences is
something they cannot accept. So satan is not rejected, or the angels, or anyone in heaven eternally,
because God can flip the switch and its all ok again.

Now maybe they will claim this is being too blatant, but the options are a bit black and white.
Either you can walk away, and it is real, or it is just a sulk, that will be restored.
It is the same problem, when is a believer truly a believer. Some say, the even is singular, eternal,
one way, others it is about a relationship that when proven is eternally established.

Different personalities like different models, and different conversion stories seem to speak to different
expressions. I have found listening to people and knowing them, you can tell what their language means.
Here in a text based, limited environment things are much harder and often become too heated.

... I ask then: DID GOD REJECT HIS PEOPLE? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. Don’t you know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah—how he appealed to God against Israel: “Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am the only one left, and they are trying to kill me”? And what was God’s answer to him? “I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. And if by grace, then it is no longer by works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace. What then? What Israel sought so earnestly it did not obtain, but the elect did. The others were hardened, as it is written: “God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes so that they could not see and ears so that they could not hear, to this very day.” And David says: “May their table become a snare and a trap, a stumbling block and a retribution for them. May their eyes be darkened so they cannot see, and their backs be bent forever.” Ingrafted Branches Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their fullness bring! I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I make much of my ministry in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches. Romans 11:1-16

The Prodigal son is ISRAEL and that's it.

What we Gentiles who now are CHRISTIANS have to do is to thank and praise God for His Grace and Mercy and for using people like the apostle Paul in leading us to OBEY GOD.

...I will not venture to speak of anything except what Christ has ACCOMPLISHED THROUGH ME in LEADING THE GENTILES TO OBEY GOD by what I have said and done— Romans 15:1-18

Hi God and guns...

The problem as I see it with your post or your thinking is, you've left out the chastening of the Lord. Go back and read mailmandans posts. If you like that is.

your statement in red above, Reeks from pride, I DO NOT WANT HELP, I CAN DO IT MYSELF.

I don't know how much simpler it could get........Jesus said the Son was dead and lost......twice

Your rignt seems most here is on edge ready to give someone a verbal beat down for not agreeing with them or answering in a way they think you should,........

The Bible teaches me to turn the other cheek.......but I have about run out of cheeks to turn.......

Not if he dies in The Hog Pen dead and Lost.......... Again the point of the parable.....the son came to himself and came back home........ The father said he was lost and dead. The Same as you and I were when we were dead in our sins........what was the point of any of these stories in Luke 15 other than lost sinners

Prodigal son means.....backslid

Backslid means...... Dead and Lost
Dead N lost in sins....... Ephesians and Colossians

I don't know how much simpler it could get........Jesus said the Son was dead and lost......twice

Your rignt seems most here is on edge ready to give someone a verbal beat down for not agreeing with them or answering in a way they think you should,........

The Bible teaches me to turn the other cheek.......but I have about run out of cheeks to turn.......

In a nutshell?

No.

There is a bit more to it as it is the 3rd parable in a trilogy.
Lost Sheep, Lost Coin being the other 2.
And we must remember the context, Jesus eating with sinners and the Pharisees complaining about it.

Sheep and coin sought out.

Prodical son returns.
If he had lost his salvation or got the point of losing it he would not care about it at all.

Interesting that he is not sought out, but the Father is waiting, and sees him from far off, then runs to him (which was not common practice)

So the prodical has gone astray and is now on his knees.

Does this relate to the lost (non believers) or believers who have gone astray?
Either way does it matter?

Not really because all have repented and returned to the Father.

The fact that the father had been watching and waiting also indicates that the father knew the son would return.

The fact they return is evidence they have not lost their salvation.

Though there will be those who teach they have.
But given the 3 parables that cannot be the case.
Lost found, lost found, came to senses and returns.

I'm not a robot I choose to love and obey God....... If God forced me to love him you really couldn't call it love

so you tell me my above statement REEKS FROM PRIDE......and then proceed to tell me what i was thinking when i said it!

where is once ounce of pride in that statement?

do you chose to hate and disobey God?
if you Love God, are you forced to Love him?

Jesus said "the son was dead and Lost" twice he said this
same as you and i when we were dead in our sins

could it be?
1.) coin.....woman lost....through her own neglect
2.) sheep.....lost .....from just wandering away
3.) son.....full of rebellion says i'm out of here...............thus......"dead and Lost"

Jesus never said HIS SON was dead

Jesus told a parable in which a father said his son (who was still alive) was dead


(it is dangerous to make the text say something it does not say)

Na, we just are sick of people who keep comming back who have been banned, or continue to lie about others, and refuse to even acknowledge their own sin.

I will go on the record to say that anyone who claims "salvation must be earned" as Fran has, is lost.

The bible does teach saved by faith kept by works

we are also tired of getting told that we said things we did not say. and getting told we did not answer questions we clearly did.

I have decided to follow your lead and stop responding to those who practice such things.

I have better things to do than argue just for the sake of arguing.