Not By Works

Where is this in the N.T.?

Does this refer to Mathew 25?
When Jesus separates the sheep from the goats as a shepherd would?

Well, how does that work?
The sheep are sheep and the goats are goats.

The sheep go on Jesus' right and the goats on His left.

The sheep are those that go to be with God because they obeyed what Jesus commanded...
The goats are those that will go to eternal punishment because they did NOT obey what Jesus commanded.

I still don't get it....

The sheep obey God and go to Eternal Life.
The goats do not obey God and go to eternal punishment.

So?

the sheep -goat thing is based on the accepted being sheep, the rejected being goats.

sheep- accepted. goats rejected.


so, that is why we correctly say that sheep do not turn into goats , back to sheep, back to goats ....

that is what is meant,

so, that is why we correctly say that sheep do not turn into goats , back to sheep, back to

So we hear the Gospel, GOD quickens us to believe with the faith He gives us. We confess with our mouth Jesus is Lord, believe in our heart that God raised Him to life, and we ARE a saved born again, Child of God.

So a goat can become a sheep.... But a sheep cannot become a goat. LOL

we were dead in sin
then QUICKENED (made alive)
no longer dead

born again

not by our own power
but Gods

by grace through faith

and what will justify us in judgement is the righteousness of Christ (again by GRACE through FAITH)


1 John 3:4
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Galatians 2:16
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Romans 3
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference

Philippians 3
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:


Philippians 1:6
6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:



it sounds to me like you believe your walk will justify you🤔

* believe.

believe does NOT NOT NOT mean obey. stop this lie.

you have been told this and had this proven to you many times.

you are a wicked false teacher, spreading lies after you have been time and again shown how this is NOT true.

we obey because we are saved , not to maintain.

I never told you that you are going to hell.

I will tell you that you are either a wicked false teacher or too prideful to accept truth when it contradicts what you believe.

keep laughing .

I hope some of enjoy playing games and making light of God's word.

this is not a game to me. I am not here to laugh and carry on about God's word, making light of it.
some of you need some serious repentance and attitude adjustment.

gb...this goat thing is kind of funny.

I'd like to see some scripture on this....

Are you going to reply re Mathew 25?

* believe.

believe does NOT NOT NOT mean obey. stop this lie.

you have been told this and had this proven to you many times.

you are a wicked false teacher, spreading lies after you have been time and again shown how this is NOT true.

we obey because we are saved , not to maintain.

I never told you that you are going to hell.

I will tell you that you are either a wicked false teacher or too prideful to accept truth when it contradicts what you believe.

keep laughing .

I hope some of enjoy playing games and making light of God's word.

this is not a game to me. I am not here to laugh and carry on about God's word, making light of it.
some of you need some serious repentance and attitude adjustment.

keep laughing .

I hope some of enjoy playing games and making light of God's word.

this is not a game to me. I am not here to laugh and carry on about God's word, making light of it.
some of you need some serious repentance and attitude adjustment

is Matthew 25 the whole Bible? is that all the word of God that we have? why is that above all other Scripture?

or could it be that Matthew 25 props up your false teaching , or you can easily twist it.

Very good Post! The only thing that I could add, is OBEDIENCE that does not have the MOTIVE of AGAPE LOVE is unacceptable to GOD.

Hi gb9, Please could you show me where goats become sheep.

As far as I know, goats stay goats. On this analogy, goats are doomed to judgement.
It is also said there are good trees and bad trees. Not bad trees that become good trees.

In real life though Paul, who was a blasphemer became a redeemed saint.
Sheep are sheep, but some sheep are Jesus's sheep. I think the idea that all sheep are Jesus's sheep
has taken over peoples thinking, so when they hear sheep, they think saved, kept eternally.

It is funny if we end up arguing which analogy is Gods meaning, when it is not clear.

Very good Post! The only thing that I could add, is OBEDIENCE that does not have the MOTIVE of AGAPE LOVE is unacceptable to GOD.

You believe your obedience will keep you saved?
You don't believe we obey BY the Holy spirit?
🤔

Here is were you and I disagree....the parable is about a "son" becoming a backslid sinner

Twice in this lesson Jesus said "my son was dead and lost'". You have added emotionally and financially........the lesson wasn't about finances or emotions, it was about a lost son.

don't " hi gb9 " me. you know who I am, we are interacted many times over the last couple of years. ( well, when you were not banned)

you are peterjens, we all know it. stop pretending .

and, I agree. goats stay goats. sheep stay sheep. the lost sheep was still a sheep.

Life by the Spirit
So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature. For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other, so that you do not do what you want. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law. The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I WARN YOU, as I did before, that THOSE WHO LIVE LIKE THIS WILL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD.

Who is Paul WARNING in these verses? Is it a WARNING only for the unbelievers or both?

But since according to you and others on this thread, ONCE SAVED, YOU ARE ALWAYS SAVED. Does this mean that WARNINGS are not for you to acknowledge and take heed of because you are UNTOUCHABLES and have no chance of being DECEIVED so as to abandon or turn away from the FAITH ALONE that saves as you CLAIM? Have you become kings already and are reigning with Christ without the HOLY and PROMISED people of God who died and still waiting to be PERFECTED with the BODY OF CHRIST on the day when our Savior from heaven comes back?

...These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised. God had planned something better for us so that ONLY TOGETHER WITH US WOULD THEY BE MADE PERFECT. Hebrews 11:39-40, (Revelations 6:9-11)

Why would anyone need to be sanctified, purified, perfected, resurrected, glorified, stand firm to the end, face judgment, if all we need is to believe or have FAITH ALONE to be saved?

...Finally, brothers, we instructed you how to live in order to please God, as in fact you are living. Now we ask you and urge you in the Lord Jesus to do this more and more. For you know what instructions we gave you by the authority of the Lord Jesus. It is God’s will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; that each of you should learn to control his own body in a way that is holy and honorable, not in passionate lust like the heathen, who do not know God; and that in this matter no one should wrong his brother or take advantage of him. The Lord will punish men for all such sins, as we have already told you and warned you. For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life. Therefore, he who rejects this instruction does not reject man but God, who gives you his Holy Spirit.
1 Thessalonians 4:1-8

What can a DISOBEDIENT OSAS follower expect if he refuse to acknowledge, take heed of such WARNINGS?

...But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.” Revelation 21:8

...See to it that you do not refuse him who speaks. If they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, how much less will we, if we turn away from him who warns us from heaven? Hebrews 12:25

... Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them. Ephesians 5:6-7

Hi gb9,

How do I know you. The best I know you is only here on christian chat posting comments.
You seem to believe there is something more significant than that going on?
Is there? Do I know you in real life? And you never told me? Oh gosh.... you are not ....