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GodsGrace101

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Yeh when him and I went out for lunch the other day he did mention you.
He got a bit upset because you kept talking about this bloke called Bill.

I told him to forget about Bill, he is a waster.
So he said to me "Thanks Fred, in your ideal world who would bring you your coffee?

I asked him if he friendly with Claudia?
I'll put in a good word for you....
 
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Hey, look, I can pretty much guarantee I am probably the most disobedient Christian on this thread. I say that lacking all sarcasm.
like I've mentioned before, (one day I will take the time to rewrite my testimony) I used to hate people avid in congregations, and people of the "cloth". I took pride in mocking them and threatening then with violence.
i never cared enough to believe to want to get on my knees and ask some stupid entity into my life that the weak need to have in their life because they need an eternal destiny because they're scared of death and need a place for their loved ones to be okay when they die.
That was me. Denying the existence of God right up to the point he knocked me off my high horse. And you wanna know something, when God took my spirit to somewhere in eternity, I didn't believe, but only doubted my unbelief. I was filled with the Holy Spirit the next morning (about 6 hrs later) and didn't even know what to label the strange occurrence until he instantaneously opened my eye's and heart to his love and righteousness. I, by the will of God had such a burning desire to know the truth that I studied mostly the new testament for 20 plus hours a day for nearly a year.
i stayed away from every spiritual book and any Bible with commentary. To this day I only use the KJV reference Bible. I only have and will always compare scripture with scripture.
in the beginning I immediately acquired a Strongest Strongs concordance.
All:s I did was study, study, study (for I was in prison)
The more I studied, the more I was getting confused on certain important issues concerning salvation.
i opened a Facebook account in Fall of 2010 and only posted scripture for fear I may thwart the truth in the word of God....So I continued studying in his drawing grace. Liberally, if I didn't study, woe was me.
The more I studied and used the wisdom given to me, just like EVERYTHING pertaining to my salvation was imputed without my desire. Imputed but not imposed because it's the best thing that will ever happen to me.
On a good close guess, I have roughly 15,000 hours studying to show myself approved and to be able to part my lips and state what the spirit has revealed to me.
i am unwavering and solid in OSAS. I believe good works are sprung from walking in the Spirit. They are not necessarily physical tasks. When I was first lit on fire in prison I . mentioned to a good friend I wanted to get out and tell the whole world about Christ. He said something that still makes perfect sense. He said"Yea, and you might even have to open your mouth" it's not for us to run around conjuring good deeds to display our faith and love towards God, when what we do is only as whole and true by the ones receiving the output of our attempts. God will open the eye's and heart of those whom he chooses to.
Don't get me wrong, it's a wonderful thing to do something out of love and appreciation to God, but if your conjuring good deeds out of necessity you will not be able to complete and wholely do it in entire love.
i have my personal beliefs that I am complete and comfortable with. I don't pray hardly at all because I don't do ritualistic month service, but when I do relent it's genuine drawing of the spirit to do so and as given once again by God, k I am humbled, appreciative, thankful for the fact that I can not but God can . make it possible to obtain his righteousness.
Ye hypocrite, ye hypocrite, ye hypocrite... countless times he said this. He also said to forgive your brother countless times. I don't think he's going for the title of hypocrite, sitting next to daddy and biting his nails that we will sin too much or not have enough good works to show what, that he was weak and unable to fulfill the will of the father? Step aside Jesus...I got this. Do you realize how silly that sounds?
it is GOD AND GOD ONLY WHO JUSTIFIES AND CONDEMNS, and there are no personal contingencies except you have faith...which...he gives.
So, this is me and my beliefs (except I don't have faith...by the grace and will of God...I KNOW!!!
PEce to you all. The peace only the truth can allow.
 
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no option? When did we say this.
when you say someone HAS to sin everyday, or they MUST sin everyday.......that doesn't leave much of an option.

God plainly said (i have quoted several times) that "with every temptation he will provide an escape"

why now instead of asking, like i was earlier, "WHAT SINS DO I COMMIT EVERYDAY?"
The question should be "when tempted, what sins do you refuse to take God's escape route?"


BTW: I thought it funny when you said the following "no option? When did we say this. You like tryng to tell us what we are saying don’t you?"

by the end of your post your telling me what i'm thinking.........kinda funny how we humans are. LoL
i'm sure i've done the same thing as well

"Again, your thinking of overt sins, we are not thinking of overt sins, thats why you can not comprehend what we are saying "
 

GodsGrace101

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Hey, look, I can pretty much guarantee I am probably the most disobedient Christian on this thread. I say that lacking all sarcasm.
like I've mentioned before, (one day I will take the time to rewrite my testimony) I used to hate people avid in congregations, and people of the "cloth". I took pride in mocking them and threatening then with violence.
i never cared enough to believe to want to get on my knees and ask some stupid entity into my life that the weak need to have in their life because they need an eternal destiny because they're scared of death and need a place for their loved ones to be okay when they die.
That was me. Denying the existence of God right up to the point he knocked me off my high horse. And you wanna know something, when God took my spirit to somewhere in eternity, I didn't believe, but only doubted my unbelief. I was filled with the Holy Spirit the next morning (about 6 hrs later) and didn't even know what to label the strange occurrence until he instantaneously opened my eye's and heart to his love and righteousness. I, by the will of God had such a burning desire to know the truth that I studied mostly the new testament for 20 plus hours a day for nearly a year.
i stayed away from every spiritual book and any Bible with commentary. To this day I only use the KJV reference Bible. I only have and will always compare scripture with scripture.
in the beginning I immediately acquired a Strongest Strongs concordance.
All:s I did was study, study, study (for I was in prison)
The more I studied, the more I was getting confused on certain important issues concerning salvation.
i opened a Facebook account in Fall of 2010 and only posted scripture for fear I may thwart the truth in the word of God....So I continued studying in his drawing grace. Liberally, if I didn't study, woe was me.
The more I studied and used the wisdom given to me, just like EVERYTHING pertaining to my salvation was imputed without my desire. Imputed but not imposed because it's the best thing that will ever happen to me.
On a good close guess, I have roughly 15,000 hours studying to show myself approved and to be able to part my lips and state what the spirit has revealed to me.
i am unwavering and solid in OSAS. I believe good works are sprung from walking in the Spirit. They are not necessarily physical tasks. When I was first lit on fire in prison I . mentioned to a good friend I wanted to get out and tell the whole world about Christ. He said something that still makes perfect sense. He said"Yea, and you might even have to open your mouth" it's not for us to run around conjuring good deeds to display our faith and love towards God, when what we do is only as whole and true by the ones receiving the output of our attempts. God will open the eye's and heart of those whom he chooses to.
Don't get me wrong, it's a wonderful thing to do something out of love and appreciation to God, but if your conjuring good deeds out of necessity you will not be able to complete and wholely do it in entire love.
i have my personal beliefs that I am complete and comfortable with. I don't pray hardly at all because I don't do ritualistic month service, but when I do relent it's genuine drawing of the spirit to do so and as given once again by God, k I am humbled, appreciative, thankful for the fact that I can not but God can . make it possible to obtain his righteousness.
Ye hypocrite, ye hypocrite, ye hypocrite... countless times he said this. He also said to forgive your brother countless times. I don't think he's going for the title of hypocrite, sitting next to daddy and biting his nails that we will sin too much or not have enough good works to show what, that he was weak and unable to fulfill the will of the father? Step aside Jesus...I got this. Do you realize how silly that sounds?
it is GOD AND GOD ONLY WHO JUSTIFIES AND CONDEMNS, and there are no personal contingencies except you have faith...which...he gives.
So, this is me and my beliefs (except I don't have faith...by the grace and will of God...I KNOW!!!
PEce to you all. The peace only the truth can allow.
Hi 50,,,,the above sounds like a testimony to me....
God reveals Himself and we accept Him.
This is good.

Your friend in prison however,,,did not make up that saying about going our and preaching.
If I remember right,,, St. Francis said it or maybe St. Augustine....

He said:
Always preach and only when absolutely necessary, use words.

We preach with our lives.
We witness with our lives.
We honor God with our lives.

Let all know you serve God, so that when you do good, they'll know you're doing it for God.
(and maybe they'll believe in His existence).
 

BillG

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If you have a red letter Bible you may notice the words of Jesus in red...

Jesus said he was dead and lost...

For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.
Luke 15:24 KJV
Oh the red words are the words of Jesus.
Well I never:cool:
It makes no difference whether it be red or black.
Believers will know the words of Jesus.
It's called punctuation.

Even non believers who read the Bible know that.
Condescending indeed.
 

BillG

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Hi 50,,,,the above sounds like a testimony to me....
God reveals Himself and we accept Him.
This is good.

Your friend in prison however,,,did not make up that saying about going our and preaching.
If I remember right,,, St. Francis said it or maybe St. Augustine....

He said:
Always preach and only when absolutely necessary, use words.

We preach with our lives.
We witness with our lives.
We honor God with our lives.

Let all know you serve God, so that when you do good, they'll know you're doing it for God.
(and maybe they'll believe in His existence).
Ooh no.

Don't let them know, just do it.
When they ask then let them know.
By your fruits they will know.
 

GodsGrace101

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Oh the red words are the words of Jesus.
Well I never:cool:
It makes no difference whether it be red or black.
Believers will know the words of Jesus.
It's called punctuation.

Even non believers who read the Bible know that.
Condescending indeed.
Bill...
@NoNameMcgee has a real problem with the parable of the Prodigal Son.
I tried to speak to him about it myself, but gave up.
Now the new member @Godandguns is trying, but I fear he'll just have to give up.
 

GodsGrace101

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Ooh no.

Don't let them know, just do it.
When they ask then let them know.
By your fruits they will know.
That could work too....but I think it's such a good testimony to let people know.
This is not the same as Mathew 6....
No trumpet blowing....
 
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NoNameMcgee

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in luke 15... the sinners and tax collectors are the ones who gathered to listen to Jesus... the pharisees who refuse to admit their sin

start murmuring against Jesus

in their culture to sit and eat with people is the same as accepting who they are as "good" or "acceptable"

these pharisees who are decieved and do not see the sin in themself

have no clue who God is despite their many years of study

Jesus speaks and shows them their lack of knowledge

to inform them about how much God values us

He is not anti- evangelical
like the pharisee


Bill...
@NoNameMcgee has a real problem with the parable of the Prodigal Son.
I tried to speak to him about it myself, but gave up.
Now the new member @Godandguns is trying, but I fear he'll just have to give up.
lol

you suffer from a bad case of fractal wrongness...

where youre so wrong about every little thing all your conclusions you form in that head of yours built on falsehoods only make your beliefs more and more false as you continue in them....


little miss "salvation is earned"
 

BillG

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Bill...
@NoNameMcgee has a real problem with the parable of the Prodigal Son.
I tried to speak to him about it myself, but gave up.
Now the new member @Godandguns is trying, but I fear he'll just have to give up.
Setting issues aside.

It did come across as condescending.
That's the point I was trying to make.

To be honest I have been watching his posts.
And from what I see so far.
Humble and gentle and quick to apologise.
No issues concerning that.

I hope he does not give up.
 
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Oh the red words are the words of Jesus.
Well I never:cool:
It makes no difference whether it be red or black.
Believers will know the words of Jesus.
It's called punctuation.

Even non believers who read the Bible know that.
Condescending indeed.
WOW!!! you think its condescending when someone tells me it wasn't Jesus talking and i merely point out that it was words written in red, you know a lot of people read there bible on a phone or computer that doesn't have that option and might not know.

i wasn't attacking nobody's punctuation.........
 
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NoNameMcgee

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Setting issues aside.

It did come across as condescending.
That's the point I was trying to make.

To be honest I have been watching his posts.
And from what I see so far.
Humble and gentle and quick to apologise.
No issues concerning that.

I hope he does not give up.

you believe the prodigal son has to do with the loss of salvation brother?
 
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NoNameMcgee

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if you felt i was being condescending i'm sorry and ask your forgiveness
and i am also sorry if my choice of words was confusing....

Jesus did indeed say those words

but i only meant to point at the fact it is part of the parable and the father of the son who claimed he was dead when he was not....

(but i forgive you 100% ... i was not upset in the slightest)
 
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but i only meant to point at the fact it is part of the parable and the father of the son who claimed he was dead when he was not....
what do yo mean "claimed he was dead?"

The Father also said "he was lost" would you use the word "CLAIMED" here as well?
 
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and i am also sorry if my choice of words was confusing....

Jesus did indeed say those words

but i only meant to point at the fact it is part of the parable and the father of the son who claimed he was dead when he was not....

(but i forgive you 100% ... i was not upset in the slightest)
Would you consed that this is a lesson about a backslider?
 
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the father of the son in the parable which Jesus is saying in context is who claims the son was dead
please notice the word "dead" in Luke 15

Luke 15:24 (KJV)
24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.

Greek Strong's Number: 3498
Greek Word: νεκρός
Transliteration: nekros
Phonetic Pronunciation:
nek-ros'

Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary.


Ephesians 2:1 (KJV)
1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

Ephesians 2:5 (KJV)
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)

Colossians 2:13 (KJV)
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

it is the same word used in every one of these passages as well
 

AllenW

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Setting issues aside.

It did come across as condescending.
That's the point I was trying to make.

To be honest I have been watching his posts.
And from what I see so far.
Humble and gentle and quick to apologise.
No issues concerning that.

I hope he does not give up.
Hey, who are you?
You old enough to be on these forums?
Let's see you go buy and smoke a cigar.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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when you say someone HAS to sin everyday, or they MUST sin everyday.......that doesn't leave much of an option.

God plainly said (i have quoted several times) that "with every temptation he will provide an escape"

why now instead of asking, like i was earlier, "WHAT SINS DO I COMMIT EVERYDAY?"
The question should be "when tempted, what sins do you refuse to take God's escape route?"


BTW: I thought it funny when you said the following "no option? When did we say this. You like tryng to tell us what we are saying don’t you?"

by the end of your post your telling me what i'm thinking.........kinda funny how we humans are. LoL
i'm sure i've done the same thing as well

"Again, your thinking of overt sins, we are not thinking of overt sins, thats why you can not comprehend what we are saying "
Saying will, and saying have to are not the same

Please stop putting words in my mouth which are not there

Your passage does not help you,

If you think you are sinless every day, you are fooling yourself. You do not understand what sin is. Your no better than the pharisee.
 
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NoNameMcgee

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@Godandguns my apologies i work many hours and just got scolded for being on my phone

i need to go for awhile

i will respond as quickly as i am able