Not By Works

The entire passage in 1 Corinthians 9 Paul is talking about rewards, and prizes, NOT Salvation. Salvation is a GIFT, NOT A PRIZE TO BE WON. He did not want to be disqualified for rewards, crowns, and other good things at the judgement seat of Christ.

We tend to view everything in terms of saved or unsaved.
Obviously those are the most important distinctions, but we forget that there is going to be a judgement for the living (saved Saints) and the dead (unsaved).
Those things are going to become MASSIVELY important in light of eternity.

It speaks to the future, but also to the past.
In the parable of the evil farmers...
Matthew 21:33...... It is plain to understand that Jesus is speaking of the prophets that had ALREADY been sent.

And please let's remember that the Apostles did not go to the gentiles because the Jews did not accept Jesus....but this was known from the very beginning,,,from Abraham and on.

I agree with the rest....
So what are we arguing about??

What is AofG? NEVER heard of it!

The only concern that Paul had was becoming unusable by GOD....he did not at any time teach or believe that he could lose salvation.......

If it was known from the beginning then Jesus knew that the Hebrews would reject him. But through the promise given to Abraham it would be fulfilled.

After all Abraham was not Jewish.

The gentiles were grafted in. And Paul warned them not to be haughty about it.

We cannot deny that Jesus whilst on this earth came for Israel.
But I think we agree that from the beginning the redemption is for all those who accept Jesus as Lord and saviour.

We don't need to know Greek to know what BELIEVE IN Jesus mean.

Jesus said we must be born from above.
John 3:3

He said to repent because the Kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mathew 4:17

IF we're born from above (born again) and we thus have repented it means that we have turned from walking toward satan and are now walking toward God.

IF we're walking toward God we now believe in HIM and in all that He has taught us.
God sent His only Son to teach us what He always wanted us to know all through the O.T. but it was necessary to "see" for ourselves how we are to be...and that is like Jesus.

So believing means that we trust everything Jesus tells us (and the N.T. writers who continued Jesus' ministry).

Now it becomes a matter of knowing what Jesus taught.
And here is where I see the problem in threads like this.
WHAT exactly DID Jesus teach?

John 14:21
John 14:23
John 14:24
John 10:27
John 8:51

What does believe mean in English?
It could mean believe someone exists....like the demons believed Jesus existed.
Or it could mean a heart belief...
To lean on
To trust
To have faith in
To follow
To obey (as a consequence of believing)
To be persuaded by that person (that he is right)

Any link on the internet will tell you the above...
there's no conflict of agreement on what the word believe means in the bible.

The only concern that Paul had was becoming unusable by GOD....he did not at any time teach or believe that he could lose salvation.......

"Saints" is a Roman Catholic term.

I can believe something

At the same time, lack faith in something,

True saving believe comes with the means of trusting in a hope which can not be seen, and having an assurance that thing is trustworthy

The demons believe in jesus, they however do not think he is trustworthy, nor do they trust jesus father, its why they departed to begin with

Belief does not always mean faith,

No one has said that, however....one would have to be willfully stupid to not study from the original languages that the bible was inspired in to gain a deeper understanding and knowledge of the word and what it actually meant to a 1st century BELIEVER.....there are NUANCES and tenses in GREEK not brought forward in ENGLISH...........geesh...............your drivel never ceases to amaze....

That is one of the most idiotic things I have ever read on this site...............

Dictionary

Ignorance: NOUN....SEE post above!

Paul always feared he wouod bcome unqualified to teach the gospel, because something he did caused his reputation or light to be tainted,

Thats why he told us to work out our salvation, with fear, because we to are lights, so we should live above reproach.
Paul never feared loss of salvation

According to paul,

to be absent from the body is to be present with the lord

He will be raised

His knowledge of where he would spend eternity is what gave him the ability to see all his hardship as momentary light afflictions

He was given all things, even the seal of the spirit, which three times in three books he said was until the day of redemtion (day of ressurection)

He was justified, he was sanctified and he will be glorified

He was perfected forever by one sacrifice

I can go on and on, again, context and the rest of pauls writing has to be taken into account, proper hermenuetics uses all things (biblical context, historical context, languages, etc etc) and forms an interpretation based on all thse and more.

The entire passage in 1 Corinthians 9 Paul is talking about rewards, and prizes, NOT Salvation. Salvation is a GIFT, NOT A PRIZE TO BE WON. He did not want to be disqualified for rewards, crowns, and other good things at the judgement seat of Christ.

We tend to view everything in terms of saved or unsaved.
Obviously those are the most important distinctions, but we forget that there is going to be a judgement for the living (saved Saints) and the dead (unsaved).
Those things are going to become MASSIVELY important in light of eternity.

Right Dcon.

That's why the entire New Testament is chock full of:

IF
HOLD FAST
FALL AWAY
FORSAKE
DENY
CONTINUE IN THE WORD
ENDURE TO THE END
TURN FROM
ABIDE IN
NOT BE WEARY
CUT OFF
LOST
FOUND


Need more?

You really think Paul was worried about losing a crown or not being able to preach when others were also preaching. He NEVER gave himself so much important as you'd suggest.

Read 1 Corinthians Chapter 2.
He cares to know NOTHING...but Jesus Christ and Him crucified.
He gave himself no such importance as you suggest.

He was VERY concerned about a person losing faith and becoming lost.

If you don't believe me, you will see Roman Catholicism is littered with the word "Saints".

Gosh.
You don't know what REPROBATE means??


reprobate
/ˈrɛprəbeɪt/
noun

1. 1.
   an unprincipled person.
   "he had to present himself as more of a lovable reprobate than a spirit of corruption"
   sinonimi:rogue, rascal, scoundrel, good-for-nothing, villain, wretch, unprincipled person, rake, profligate, degenerate, debauchee, libertine; Altro
   
2. 2.
   ARCHAIC
   (in Calvinism) a sinner who is not of the elect and is predestined to damnation.

adjective

1. 1.
   unprincipled.
   "reprobate behaviour"
   sinonimi:unprincipled, roguish, bad, wicked, rakish, shameless, immoral, profligate, degenerate, dissipated, debauched, depraved, corrupt; Altro
   
   
2. 2.
   ARCHAIC
   (in Calvinism) predestined to damnation.

verb
ARCHAIC

1. 1.
   express or feel disapproval of.
   "his neighbours reprobated his method of proceeding"
   sinonimi:criticize, condemn, censure, denounce, express strong disapproval of;
   rarereprehend
   "they reprobated his conduct"

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Definition of reprobate
(Entry 1 of 3)
transitive verb
1: to condemn strongly as unworthy, unacceptable, or evilreprobating the laxity of the age
2: to foreordain to damnation
3: to refuse to accept : REJECT

Sure like

Irrevocable
Eternal
Everlasting
Kept
Never leave
Never forsake
Incorruptible
Sealed
BEGINS, FINISHES and COMPLETES
Held
IN
No condemnation
Justified
Saved

Paul did not teach a losable salvation.....that is your twist that is not found in scripture

Exactly.....just like the demons believe that GOD is ONE, but NO SAVING FAITH into CHRIST

I could care less....the Roman Catholic church did not invent the Greek language, nor did they inspired the writers of the N.T......and I stand by my post....that is just ignorant

So what..........remember when you said above the language does not matter.......let us ALL guess....it matters if you are trying to prove a false point right......