Not By Works

actually lets see what the BIBLE says after all thats what matters:
Matthew 10:22 (KJV)
22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

endureth---(strongs)
to stay under (behind), i.e. remain; figurative to undergo, i.e. bear (trials), have fortitude, persevere :- abide, endure, (take) patient (-ly), suffer, tarry behind.
Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary.

All you showed me was the same false interpretation of Hebrews..........I can tell you....trying to get me to accept a false interpretation of scripture will not convince me of your personal truth.......

I believe in the baptism of the holy spirit(I guess you do not) Anyway, in the church I grew up in, they believed it was impossible to be baptised in the Holy Spirit if you smoked. I then smoked, but got baptised in the Spirit. The point being, God will accept you, and bless you, by taking you at your word. And he will place you in a saved state even if he knows you did not make a full commitment to his son that will last.
Im sure you will disagree, however, you have no choice but to try and explain away very plainly written scripture by doing so. And a lot of it. I prefer not to do gymnastics with the plainly written word. Some have certainty of heaven, but some do not

Well.....that is tragic that people believe such foolishness.......

Paul said, "ALL things are lawful although not expedient" and if you think that smoking a cigarette with keep you from being saved or out of heaven....how does one even begin to address such ignorance....

RELIGION is the word and JESUS condemned such ignorance......

Yep.....same thing in Matthew 24 as well......try context....he is not speaking of salvation....

Are you one of those that actually believes the word saved is soul salvation......maybe look the word up and study it.....it might open your eyes

Here is a word for you.....

con·text
/ˈkäntekst/
noun

the circumstances that form the setting for an event, statement, or idea, and in terms of which it can be fully understood and assessed.
"the decision was taken within the context of planned cuts in spending"
synonyms:circumstances, conditions, surroundings, factors, state of affairs; More

the parts of something written or spoken that immediately precede and follow a word or passage and clarify its meaning

show me where i was wrong and gave false interpretation (the bible speaks for itself)

somehow you remind me of a man i was talking to one day and i said to him "do you believe there is a sky above your head?"
he said "no, i don't think there is a sky" as he was looking down towards the ground, and i asked him to simply "look up" but he refused and kept arguing "there is no sky"

i'm sure you love controversy since its in your name but can i ask you "do you believe there is a sky?" will you look up?

That is the church I grew up in. And I do not regret it all now, for through that experience I was shown what I probably would not have appreciate so much otherwise

did God call you to tell us what he meant to say when he said what he said?

Chester shoots and misses by a mile.................no..he did not interpret HEBREWS correctly.........

i never called JESUS a liar, what are you talking about?

and what am i gonna pay for? i repented of my sins and asked Jesus in my heart when i was 18, so according to you i'm heaven bound with the hammer down and i couldn't go to HELL even if i wanted to (according to your doctrine)


yes he did but what does that have to do with the prodigal son? the prodigal son didnt "WANDER" off
there is a big difference in someone "wandering" away and someone packing his stuff and "lEAVING" which by the way, i have never said that i believe you can lose your salvation, but you can leave your salvation


dont cherry pick Hebrews 6 look at it closely
Hebrews 6:4-6 (KJV)
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

the word "crucify" is a present tense verb meaning its something they are doing presently

its simple, if your sinning (presently) stop and repent and he is faithful and just to forgive but it is impossible to be renewed if you chose to stay in your sin and crucify (not crucified) God afresh......

LOL! I didn't even get close to doing any interpreting . . . I simply commented on someone else's interpretation that I agreed with.

You knocked me out before I even had a chance to shoot! That's OK, I still believe.

So what......no offence, but the church I grew up in taught a bunch of things I do not agree with after almost 35 years of study.........that means nothing to me in the grand scheme of things....

One thing you can always rely on, on the internet, people explaining away the plainly written word.
Many different people go to church, and make confessions of faith, some do indeed walk away, and others do not. The question is, were those who walked away ever placed in a saved state? Scripture shows us they were, though they may not have had the personal salvational experience that will always keep them saved. People who Jesus said would never be lost.
A man once said: Sin will not bar you from heaven, but losing your faith will. That made me think much

We all know you still believe you can lose salvation....even though no scriptures in context teaches that

"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils" (I Tim. 4:1).

you seriously believe there will people in heaven that has "departed from the faith" and gave heed to doctrines of devils???

Revelation 3:5 (KJV)
5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.

if having your name blotted out of the book of life is not something christian's should be concerned with then why did God say it?

We all know you still believe you can lose salvation....even though no scriptures in context teaches that

dcon how about that verse 1 tim 2:15 ? ive always wondered about that. saved FROM WHAT? not from hell, of course, but from WHAT exactly?

sounds like Chester is right....here i will give you a scripture to consider

John 15:5-6 (KJV)
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

WHAT HAPPENS if you dont ABIDE in HIM???????

dcon how about that verse 1 tim 2:15 ? ive always wondered about that. saved FROM WHAT? not from hell, of course, but from WHAT exactly?