Sons of God and daughters of Men

This will finally be realized at Jesus' second coming when all Israel shall be saved.

Men in the old testemtment had the born again Spirit of Christ and were placed in a temporal holding place like a city of refuge until the trial of Christ .again temporally in the bosom of Abraham as the invisible presence of God...…. up until the "time of reformation"

If any man had not the Spirit of Christ then they simply do not belong to Him . The old testament saints did not receive the end of the promise before the time or reformation but when the veil was rent they followed their savior the first resurrection who suffered beforehand . Their graves were opened as the promised glory and they enter the kingdom of God prepared as His chaste virgin bride.

Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what "manner of time" the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow1 Peter 1:9-11

right here in this world? can you give me directions because i want to see it.

Psalm 87 says His court is in the skies. 1kings 22 says its in the heavens. skies/heavens means not this world.

The seven angels of Rev 1:20 are not angelic being, they are the ministers of the seven Churches. The book of Revelation was not written to angels. It was written to the seven Churches. It causes a great deal of confusion to some when the translators arbitrarily translate ἄγγελοι as angels rather than messengers, which is what the word means.

No matter how far Israel had fallen in their history, there was always the faithful remnant that remained. Again, regardless of what you or I think of the character of that nation, God still called them "MY son" even when they were slaves in Egypt.

James, Peter, John and Paul were lead by the spirit so they must have been sons of the Most High yet the bible says all these men died and Jesus says point blank sons of the Most High do not die?

Jesus is quoting psalm 82 where other sons of the Most High (called gods) were Judged by the Father and lost their immortality.

how does one confirm a scripture when the scripture meaning is laid aside (Jesus taught not to do this) based on poetry?

Demons wreak plenty of evil but only within the parameters set by God (see Job 1:12 & 2:6). The devil is called the prince of the power of air; so he is free to transmit his ideas into man head. With that, he pretty much runs this world system. God gave dominion to man (Gen. 1:28) and Satan runs things without man's knowledge. God said we will be amazed by how little power Satan has once we see the whole picture.

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not talking about demons, we are talking about angels taking on human form. and if these guys were so different (such as procreation) than us then we could easily recognize them when they are among us, yet Paul teaches the oppesite

I appreciate your thoughts on Genesis 6, although I disagree. At least you use Scripture to back up your beliefs.

"explain according to the scripture Without any own explanation?"

I could just post the scripture below and leave it at that but apparently that has proven to be difficult for readers since they don't all agree which is why you started the thread.

1And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 3And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. 4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

So in an intellectually honest attempt to understand this passage of scripture it would be within the parameters of "explain according to the scripture" to consider everything that has been written in Genesis in previous chapters to shed light on this. Let us start there before we try to find meaning by looking in other books of the bible. The immediate context is always the first to be considered in proper hermeneutics (the philosophy and methodology of text interpretation, especially the interpretation of biblical texts, wisdom literature, and philosophical texts). When we encounter the phrase sons of God here and naturally ask ourselves "what is this? Who are the sons of God? Did I miss something in a previous chapter up to this point?" So we turn back and sure enough we find Gen 4:26 And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD. If you have a KJV with marginal notes you will see it also say or "by the name of the Lord". So based on this context I would think that Gen 6 is not explaining who the Sons of God are because they have already been mentioned in Gen 4. In Gen 4 a list and description of Cains people and civilization he was building in the Land of Nod was given and then it talks about the lineage of Seth which is the civilization that Adam is building separate from Cains people. So you have 2 camps of people in the earth. The sons of men (Cain's people) and the sons of God (Adams people). Now when the sons of God saw the daughters of men (women who were in Cain's camp) that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they choseThis suggest that the women made themselves look better than the women in the sons of god camp. Maybe by makeup and sensual dress. The "took them wives of all which they chose" suggest polygamy which had already begun according to Gen 4 and Lamech so again sticking with the context we are on safe ground with these conjectures. This marrying or mixing with the ungodly women of Cains camp causes a sinful corruption so that the sons of god become evil and eventually only Noah is left. Why did they start calling themselves by the name of the Lord (sons of God) in Gen 4:26 it was because Cains people were not godly and did not want God. We know that Enoch prophesied about the coming of the Lord and judgement against the ungodly from the book of Jude. Who was Enoch talking about when he said ungodly? Cains camp most likely. And they were probably persecuting Adams camp the sons of god (godly people who believed in a coming Lord.) As we continue to read we find that Enoch walked with God and was translated, and eventually only Noah is left. We can understand this based on the context of Gen 1-6 but we have to go beyond the context to squeeze in a fallen angel mating with men theory. The truth that God forbids the godly men to not mix with ungodly women or take foreign wives in the case of Israel, continues throughout the bible and even into the new testament with the command not to be unequally yoked, fellowship with darkness, etc. Also Jesus said that Angels do not marry or have sex. By making that statement it is clear that Jesus rejected this view that angels had sex with women in Gen 6. That statement from Jesus should put to rest the theory of angels having sex with women but for some reason people want this theory or myth to be true. There is no lesson to learn from the fallen angel story and nothing that we can apply to our lives. However the truth about the godly being corrupted by the ungodly is a truth stream that continues throughout the bible and we can learn much by examine this case of "the law of first reference" about this truth seen here in Gen 6. Now people will continue to hold to this view that angels mixed with men and created some kind of mutants and I am not sure why. People will even live with an ungodly girlfriend and not be convicted of it while speaking at length about the Angels and women making giant mutants and argue with you all day that they understand this correctly and that I am wrong. Yet they will not see that they are not a son of god and have been corrupted and are blind to their fornication living with their ungodly girlfriend. Because they can believe in the angel theory without it requiring any self examination or lesson in godly living. However if they accept the view that this story is about fornication with ungodly women that will require them to have to repent and turn from their sins.

And their offspring were giants? Not buying it. Godly men marrying ungodly women do not produce giants.

What we’ve got here is a strange mixing of flesh.

I don't understand why no one here can be honest with the translation....the contradiction is made between the SONS of GOD and the DAUGHTERS of ADAM <------the Hebrew word is ADAM.........

adam: man, mankind
Original Word: אָדָם
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: adam
Phonetic Spelling: aw-dawm'

There is absolutely no indication that it is Cain's people and Adam's people........nor is there ANY proof whatsoever at ALL that it is SETHITES and LOST women......

And regardless..JUDE makes the comparison between the ANGEL'S which FELL and the MEN of SODOM going AFTER strange flesh....

WHY are these two comparisons swept under the table.....???

There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown

It does not say their their offspring were giants (see how you changed the text when you said that?) This is how rumors get started.

You said There is absolutely no indication... So you did not think that "then began men to call themselves by the name of the Lord" was at least "an indication"? You are not even going to consider the connection?

He did not change the test...it is implied by the text......geesh

And why do people always omit tge last 2 words of what Jesus said about Angels?

IN HEAVEN!!!! That's exactly the point. They left their first estate, their habitation, or Heavenly body. That's exactly why they are in chains in Tartarus NOW.

The two cited examples I gave alleviate that possibility..........and not that it matters, but we studied this from every angle in Seminary.....the JUDE text CANNOT be alleviated and there are clues found within the language...........

For example....

ALL flesh had corrupted it's way upon the earth <--corrupted comes from a primitive root and means-->to cause to ruin, to corrupt, to spoil, to waste

Noah was a just man <---JUST comes from a root word and means-->to be causative, make right in a moral and or forensic sense

The comparison in JUDE and the MEN going after STRANGE FLESH....

Too many people cite the words by JESUS saying men will be like the angels in HEAVEN not marrying or given in marriage as PROOF that NO WAY the suggestion of angels and women is possible....

I cite that

a. There is a heavenly FORM which is spiritual and a EARTHLY form which takes FLESH (numerous examples of ANGELS and even JESUS taking flesh)

b. THE angels that went to SODOM were perceived as MEN and were HANDLED and the MEN of SODOM wanted to HAVE SEX with them.....MEN cannot have SEX with spirits....

c. The comparison of JUDE cannot be alleviated....

d. It is evident that Satan has made a multi faceted attack on God's plan......and in my view, based upon study I have no problem believing that part of that attack is genetic upon the human race to not only corrupt the flesh of men and all things, but most importantly the lineage of Christ.....

E. AND THIS ONE REALLY FIRES ME UP....<---HOW this gets denied, swept under the table, ignored etc.....GENESIS 3:15......the SEED of the WOMAN and the SEED of the SERPENT

WE know without a doubt that the SEED of the WOMAN is CHRIST...a LITERAL MAN from the SEED of WOMAN and YET almost EVERYONE will turn around and DENY that the SERPENT which is SATAN cannot POSSIBLY have SEED and or PRODUCE SEED...

The inconsistent approach to this subject, denial of verbiage, context, scripture, and the clear evidence is appalling and to be frank reeks of dishonesty......

Read post 76 and that sums up my view on how the facts are handled......

You see that word when...

So where did the giants come from?

To me it is even more ridiculous to believe that SAVED men had sex with LOST women and produced Giants.....and the fact that up until recently and the attempt by LOST men to discredit the bible, that there was world wide evidence of giants way taller than the 8 foot or 9 foot "EXAMPLES" that men like to point to and then say they were just abnormally tall men.....and or by so called believers that will down play the verbiage of the bible and say...NO they really did not mean they were as tall as the cedars or the Jews were as grasshoppers in their sight...they just really are exaggerating or using symbolic language etc.....BLAH BLAH BLAH........they meant exactly what they said under inspiration.....and the cedars of Lebanon were upwards of 45 feet tall.......and even Og's bed stand was over 12 feet in length....NOT to mention the ancient temples with 20 to 40 foot door ways........

It amazes me that we can believe in angels, heaven, new Jerusalem at 1600 miles cubed coming out of heaven, demons, Satan, GOD who brings men up from the dirt, JESUS that resurrects and all the other anomalies in the bible and then SAY NO WAY ANGELS which fell could possibly take the daughters of ADAM in a sexual way and produce MEN of RENOWN, the HERO's of OLD.....GIANTS.....

and the scriptures just threw the word "giants" in there to mess with our heads?