Not By Works

The Vidio I posted is my favorite of any account from those who have seen Jesus, and there are many, whether in near death experiences or dreams and visions. Her account is full of hidden meaning, short to the point. I have the whole account tipped out and added to my study. I decided to include her account and a description of the hidden meaning. The introduction is also mine
The above post about of the thief on the cross will be added to my study, thanks to dcontroversial and the original man mentioning of Obedience of Faith. I have to make 2 posts to make this happen as we don't fit together, to long. Her account will be in the next post.

Holiness is not achieved but received:
"You will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you, and you will be witnesses of Me in Jerusalem and all Judea and Samaria and to the ends of the earth."
A journey past ourselves, uncharted and through a dark valley. The influence of God makes the difference, "Lean not on your own understanding but trust in the Lord." Otherwise wandering in the desert until we learn to walk by Faith. He that loves a creature becomes as low as the creature and lower, for love is subject to the beloved. Affections and attachments of creature render the soul like the creature: for love shares common ground with the beloved. Jesus had to become subject to His creation out of Love and exchange His Life with us: appointed to death in our place, that we may feel after Him and find Him since He is near to every one of us. “For in him we live and move and have our being.” Led by His Spirit to find Him in all things, "As the truth is in Jesus, put off your old self: your former manner of life corrupt with deceitful desires, and be renewed in right relationship with God in His Holiness."

To be in the unity of the Spirit requires our whole heart:
"He that is Joined to the Lord becomes one Spirit with Him."
"He that is not with Me is against Me and he that gathers not with Me scatters abroad. Therefore I say to you, all manner of sin shall be forgiven to men: but rejecting the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven to men."
"If I have all knowledge and understand all mysteries and have not Love, I am nothing." We become self righteous living the lie, "You shall be as gods knowing good and evil." "Now as touching things offered to idols, we know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffs up, but Love builds up." Knowledge does not free us from the false self in pride of achievement and desires of the flesh, where we are addicted and living in fear; neither can we forgive and be forgiven, "Only by pride comes contention." "What fruit had ye in those things you are now ashamed." The mind and will of the flesh is divided between good and evil, under the influence of the enemy desiring control and marked by violence. Jesus came "To proclaim deliverance to the captives… that we might be trees of righteousness." “I Am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in Me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from Me you can do nothing. If you do not remain in Me, you are like a branch broken off that withers; such branches are thrown in the fire and burned. If you remain in Me and My words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. This is My Father’s glory, that you bear much fruit as My disciples. As the Father Loves Me, so I Love you, now remain in My Love. If you keep My commands, you will remain in My Love, just as I have kept My Father’s commands and remain in His love. I have told you this so that My Joy may be in you and that your joy may be complete. My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this: to lay down his life for his friends. You are My friends if you do what I command. I no longer call you servants, because a servant does not know his Master’s business. I call you friends, as everything I heard from My Father I have made known to you."

Living for the praise of God is the daily sacrifice of the new covenant:
"Daily pick up your cross and follow me."
"Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his Lord put in charge of His household to give them food in due season? Blessed is that servant whose Lord finds him doing so when He returns. Truly I tell you, He will put him in charge of all His goods. But the wicked servant that says in his heart 'My Lord delays His coming,' and begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. The Lord of that servant will come in a Day he does not expect and an hour he is not aware: He will cut him to pieces and assign his place with the hypocrites, there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." "If you live after the flesh you will die, but if through the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the flesh you will Live." No longer interpreting daily sacrifice from old covenant perspective: done away by "The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world." "Now we are the temple of God" "Who may ascend the mountain of the Lord? Who may stand in His Holy Place? The one who has clean hands and a pure heart."

A woman who asked to see Jesus in a dream, was shown a glimpse of the war in heaven:
"There was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels and prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven."
I was in a part of the country I've never been before, it was very mountainous and there was deserts, and at all these points I had a helper. I was being chased by an enemy and this enemy sometimes actually got me and I knew there was no escape; but I had this Helper and He would help free me to get me out of situations where at one point I was even tied up, and miraculously my Helper removed what had bound me and We started to leave and flee from the enemy. The enemy was throwing these balls of fire on me and looking back where scripture says the enemy would throw fiery darts at you. I actually got to see fiery darts thrown at me. In my dream I knew that if I got to this mountain I would be safe. I don’t know how I knew that, but in my dream I knew how to get to this mountain. When I got to the mountain all of the attacks from the enemy stopped and my Helper was not there. I believe that Helper is my Holy Spirit: is the Holy Spirit. When I came to the mountain there were these steps that looked like they were carved out of the Rock. It looked like the finger of God made them and I was marveling at these steps as I went up and came to this door. As I'm looking at this beautiful arch door at the very top it was opaque so that I could see someone on the other side. I did not want to be rude and open the door and walk right through, so I opened the door and let Them come in and I ushered Them in. This Person had to bow in because He was so tall. He had shoulder length hair and it was Jesus. I could not talk, I was excited, I was humbled, I was happy, I was so grateful that He was there, and as I'm watching realizing who I was seeing, looking at Him from head to toe: He was wearing a long white robe with a sash and He was wearing sandals. I saw the marks on His feet but it was His feet that I first started to notice that there was a Living fire coming off of Him. He just glowed, and it was a Live glow, it looked like waves at times, and He spoke to me: Stay on the Rock, and I prayed that I'd stay on the Rock. I watched Him leave and go through a doorway and I went up to the doorway, but I was going to stay on the Rock. This doorway turned into a window and as I was looking down through the window, I could see the twelve apostles and they were all speaking the Word of God in different ways towards that same enemy I had been fighting. Jesus was now on what looked like a soccer field and the twelve apostles were on the side lines and Jesus was fighting the enemy. The last thing I remember is that He had a crown of thorns on His head and the top part of the back of His head was bloodied. I was worried about that but at the same time I knew that He wasn't hurt. He had a rock in His hand and I believe He was fighting the enemy for us. As time goes on He reveals more to me and I get excited about the fact that Jesus did come to me. I didn't have a rapture dream but I did have Jesus is fighting for us and that I should continue to stay on the Rock, really learning the word of God because it is Living and active and sharper than a double edge sword. It’s our weapon against the spiritual warfare that's going on in our lives and I just hope this encourages someone, God bless. Her video is on YouTube: Dream of Jesus (amazing)
The morning after seeing the video, woke up with the realization that what she saw from a window that looked like a soccer field, would be the dimensions of the Holy place: twice as long as wide. The crown of thorns is the rejection from those desiring to be in charge. The steps ascending to the entrance of the Holy place, is the Way Jesus made in Himself, to follow in His steps. "Verily, verily I say to you, hereafter you shall see heaven open and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man." "This Ladder Jacob saw by night as he slept: the angels of God ascending and descending on it and behold the Lord stood above it." A secret Ladder hidden from understanding, wisdom we see dimly. Humbled and raised up to God in this Ladder, we suffer many ups and downs to keep watch until we enter into rest in God. On higher steps much is revealed through Love as we cease from ourselves, immersed in fellowship with God.
Stay on the Rock:
"Many shall be purified and made white and refined but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand." "Therefore when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the Holy place (whoever reads, let him understand)." Understanding hidden meaning: Let those who are Living in the Praise of God flee to the Mountains of the Lord's house. Let him who is in fellowship with God, not go down to take things in his hands again, and let him who is in the world, not go back to his old identity, and woe to those who remain babes and those still depending on Mother. But pray and don’t wait until trouble comes to learn to soar alone with God: For then shall be great trouble, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, nor ever shall be.

You addressed this to me, but I'll leave it to someone else to explain.
I'll only say that Jesus was confined to a very small area of the globe.
Our works will be greater than that....

I think it means that we will do more works than Jesus did.
Jesus was confined to one place.
Whereas after he rose from the dead he ascended to heaven.
We had the Apostles who preached the Gospels.
Therefore more of the same as Jesus did.

John 14:12

The Answered Prayer
12 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father.

Peter’s message at Pentecost brought more followers to Jesus than did Jesus’ entire earthly ministry. The disciples were able to do this work because Christ would go to the Father and send the Holy Spirit to empower them.

Not when He died, He wasn't. He died for ALL the world, not just those in His immediate vicinity.

You know exactly what I am saying Fran.....quit acting all innocent and or twisting what I say....it is beneath you and very unbecoming someone that names JESUS

I am glad this is an open forum.....ALL can see how dishonest and vindictive some are............gotta love those that claim Christ and yet cannot be honest and or like to cause issues......

IF I twisted what you said...correct it.

You said that many of us will go to hell because of incorrect doctrine.
This is a very serious charge.

I thought it was Jesus that saves us...
not our doctrine.

And I've said this many times.

PLEASE show me where the bible states that our doctrine saves us.
And IF it does, don't you think we better discuss which doctrine is the right one???

How am I being dishonest and vindictive?
Yes. I am happy everyone can read....

If you'd rather not talk to me,,,, that's OK.
I love to use scripture and you really don't.

it also says....

NOT by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy HAS HE SAVED US <--PAST TENSE which you do not believe

It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that BELIEVE <--which you do not believe as you embellish with works

Jesus begins, finishes and completes the work of faith he begins in us <--which you don't believe because you believe you MUST keep yourself in the faith

He that believes on the son has eternal life <---which you don't believe because you say eternal is temporary and can be lost

and I can go ALL day with verses that contradict your beliefs.......verb tense, verbiage, context, etc. must be rejected to believe what you espouse......and LIKE I told you yesterday......the very verses which contradict what you teach PROVES your error because JESUS, PAUL and others would NOT USE such language if salvation was not eternal and or could be lost and or was maintained by works that we do.....

Not a serious charge at ALL.....called BIBLE 101......................and your last line is an accusatory lie.....exactly why you were banned last time FRAN......GET honest or do not address me...........

so, saved by grace and faith and belief in Christ alone is a " doctrine of demons ".

I guess you just do not understand " not by works ", " not of ourselves ", " a gift of God".

you can feel free to rip these out the Bible if you want, I personally think we should put ourselves under the authority of Scripture, instead of giving ourselves authority over Scripture, and changing the meaning to suit ourselves.

maybe fran can enlighten us as to what she considers Scripture.

remember doc, some people do not count Paul's letters as authoritative Scripture.

Like I said, we don't walk along our daily life and "accidentally" fall into a pit called sin. We exercise our will but, the use of the participle in Hebrews 10:26 clearly shows a CONTINUOUS ACTION a MATTER of PRACTICE.

Obedience is not forced or legalistic for those who are born of God. (1 John 3:7-10) The Amplified Bible sums it up nicely in Hebrews 3:18,19 - And to whom did He swear that they should not enter His rest, but to those who disobeyed [who had not listened to His word and who refused to be compliant or be persuaded]? So we see that they were not able to enter [into His rest], because of their unwillingness to adhere to and trust in and rely on God [unbelief had shut them out]. Belief/faith "pisteuo/pistis" are not simply defined as obedience/works, which is not the point of Hebrews 3:18,19. Continued disobedience is a manifestation of unbelief and choosing to believe the gospel is an act of obedience that saves. (Romans 1:16; 10:16)

That's not the only explanation. Hebrews 3:14 - For we have become [past tense Gk. verb, gegonamen, meaning we have become already] partakers of Christ, if we hold fast the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end. Notice that this is essentially a repeat of verse 6, where we have read: but Christ was faithful as a Son over His house - whose house we are, if we hold fast our confidence and the boast of our hope firm until the end.

*The wording is not - "and you will be saved (future indicative) if you (future indicative) persevere." It is rather - "you have been, and now are, really saved, (demonstrative evidence) if in the future you hold fast to Christ."

The point is that not all of these Hebrews have become partakers in Christ and of course, the only ones in the end who will be identified as truly born again Hebrews who have partakers in Christ, will have been those who have held fast the beginning of their confidence steadfast to the end. Now what about those faltering Hebrews who depart from God yet begin with loud confidence and profession of loyalty? But then later? *Future perseverance is proof of genuine conversion.

In Hebrews 4:1-2, we read - "For indeed the gospel was preached to US as well as to THEM; but the word which THEY heard did not profit THEM, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said: "So I swore in My wrath, 'They shall not enter My rest," although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. Obviously, not all of these Hebrews were believers. Notice that verses 2-3 make a distinction between US who have BELIEVED and do enter that rest and THEM who heard the word but did not mix faith with what they heard and will not enter that rest because of UNBELIEF.

Those who are truly born of God have received a new nature, a divine nature and have new and different appetites and desires. They have been transformed from pigs and dogs into sheep. The change is more than merely cosmetic, as in 2 Peter 2:20. *These cleaned up on the outside dogs and pigs were never sheep.

Compare 2 Peter 1:4 - "partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption - Strongs #5356 that is in the world through lust with 2 Peter 2:20 - with they escaped the pollutions - Strongs #3356 (different Greek word) of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, yet they are again entangled therein, and overcome. *Notice that 2 Peter 2:20 did not mention them being "partakers of the divine nature."

Corruption (Strongs #5356) (to shrivel or wither, spoil , ruin , deprave, corrupt , defile, to destroy by means of corrupting, to spoil as does milk). Corruption - describes decomposition or rotting of an organism and the accompanying stench. The utter depravity of the fallen flesh and the resultant moral decomposition of the world opposed to God is driven by it sinful lusts or evil desires. Internal corruption.

Pollutions/Defilements (Strongs #3393) ("pollutions", "filthy things", "contaminations", "world's filth") describes the state of being tainted or stained by evil and refers to impurity, impure, tainted, defilement, foulness or pollution. Pollutions/Defilement refers to what is on the outside (2 Peter 2:20). But genuine believers have escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust (2 Peter 1:4).

Corruption is deeper than pollutions/defilements on the outside: it is decay on the inside.

Having the knowledge of Jesus Christ does not save a person if there is no heart submission to that knowledge. The latter end is worse than the beginning for these people because rejecting this knowledge will make them more accountable at the judgment. Judas Iscariot is a good example of someone who rejected the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and was never saved.

Telling someone they're going to hell IS a serious charge.
It's OK to tell someone if they're doing something against God's word.
Bible 101 allows for this...otherwise how would we ever know when to go to our church for anything?
As in Mathew 19:15..... When one sins against us.....we need to know they did wrong to know they sinned against us.

However we are NOT supposed to judge anyone's soul.
This only God can do. We cannot know if someone is going to heaven or hell and it's not our place to tell anyone on this thread they are going to hell.

How does that encourage of brother?
Hebrews 10:25

And the last line is not accusatory...
You do not use scripture and you should.

If one speaks the truth...
It is NOT being dishonest....

Jesus is referring to His Bride as one person, "The new Jerusalem the Mother of us all." All the Acts of God through His Bride in the last 2 days, in His body the Church, is greater than what Jesus did to save the world, Praise the Lord. These are the saints that will rule with Him in the Resurrection. I hope the Lord doesn't mind me bragging about what He does in His Bride after all He said so Himself. "Today and tomorrow I heal the sick and cast out devils and the Third Day I shall be perfected." The last day is the restoration of all things. Jesus made mention of "Today and tomorrow" after He was 30 years of age, 2 days later would be 2,300, but "Except those days be shortened no flesh would be saved, but for the elect sake those days will be shortened. So a rapture of the saints may be before then. Then He reigns with His bride for a thousand years. I could go on there is a lot to confirm this...

I like your answer, Our including the bride as one person, I just realised your saying the same thing I did.

Fran...you accuse me ALL the time of not using scripture AND EVERYONE IN HERE knows I do....this MAKES You a liar FRAN..........even BLUE and STONES pulled up quotes with scripture......Post 83069 alone has 4 verses......YOU are LYING when you say I do not post scripture.........ALL LIARS will have their part in the LAKE of FIRE and GOD HATES LIARS <--Proverbs 6

AND there is but ONE correct message of SALVATION......ALL who believe a FALSE WAY and or do NOT BELIEVE will GO TO HELL and then be TRANSFERRED to the LAKE of FIRE after the GREAT WHITE THRONE JUDGMENT

I have tried to give you the benefit of the doubt and again you resort to LIES and embellishing or twisting what I say.....ALL can see it....

DO not ever address me again.............You were banned once before by this action, I have tried to engage you and YOU are not an honest woman.....end of story

My post is just facts concerning the thought of Peter H. Davids. And even though he is catholic, I have yet to see in in his writing about James, that he believes works maintain salvation.

It's not the topic.

Paul refers to fulfilling what is left behind of the sufferings of Christ, there are countless Saints who suffered with Him.

He calm down a liar is someone who rejected the Holy Spirit, the only sin that cant be forgiven. Without Him "Let God be True and every man a liar."