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If you don't mind me sharing a few thoughts please read on.
If you read 1 Corinthians 14, its hard to come away with this understanding. Edification is the point, the edification of the Church. This is about uplifting and exhorting others, in context.
Some things to consider. The believer speaks to God and not men (1 Corinthians 14:2). The believer without interpretation edifies himself, but not others (1 Corinthians 14:4). This is further emphasized when reading 1 Corinthians 14:14-17, as it goes on to say of the believer operating in the gift of tongues that he "gives thanks well enough, but the other is not edified." It also reads, just prior, "else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned sayeth Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?"
Please take note, that tongues regardless of interpretation is edifying. The interpretation part is for the edification of the Church (the context here is to edify the Church) as opposed to the believer being the only one benefiting. So here we find that tongues can edify a person who operates in the gift, and is not "only if there is somebody to understand."
Heres the kicker.
1 Corinthians 14:18-19 King James Version (KJV)
18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
Two things here. Why would he be thankful to God that he spoke in tongues more than them all? One might think it was a boast, but no, it was coming from a place of gratitude. We go back to the beginning of 1 Corinthians 14, and realize that it edifies the person operating in the gift, and it is something between God and the speaker (a means of fellowship).
Secondly, he says, "Yet in the church..." which begs the question. Where else does he speak in tongues? Possibly, maybe, in private?
1 Corinthians 14:27-28 King James Version (KJV)
27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
That last bit, on the end of verse 28 is interesting isn't it? What should the tongue speaker do if there is no interpreter? "Speak to himself and to God." With what? Don't want to be too much on the nose here, but if I may be so forthright, with the gift of tongues that is used to speak to God and not man, that blesses the spirit and gives thanksgiving unto God and speaks mysteries in the spirit.
I do personally speak in tongues, and can tell you, that one does not need to make audible noise to speak in tongues. Hence it makes sense to "let him speak to himself and to God."
Anyways, I hope this could be of use to you in some manner.
If you read 1 Corinthians 14, its hard to come away with this understanding. Edification is the point, the edification of the Church. This is about uplifting and exhorting others, in context.
Some things to consider. The believer speaks to God and not men (1 Corinthians 14:2). The believer without interpretation edifies himself, but not others (1 Corinthians 14:4). This is further emphasized when reading 1 Corinthians 14:14-17, as it goes on to say of the believer operating in the gift of tongues that he "gives thanks well enough, but the other is not edified." It also reads, just prior, "else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned sayeth Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?"
Please take note, that tongues regardless of interpretation is edifying. The interpretation part is for the edification of the Church (the context here is to edify the Church) as opposed to the believer being the only one benefiting. So here we find that tongues can edify a person who operates in the gift, and is not "only if there is somebody to understand."
Heres the kicker.
1 Corinthians 14:18-19 King James Version (KJV)
18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
Two things here. Why would he be thankful to God that he spoke in tongues more than them all? One might think it was a boast, but no, it was coming from a place of gratitude. We go back to the beginning of 1 Corinthians 14, and realize that it edifies the person operating in the gift, and it is something between God and the speaker (a means of fellowship).
Secondly, he says, "Yet in the church..." which begs the question. Where else does he speak in tongues? Possibly, maybe, in private?
1 Corinthians 14:27-28 King James Version (KJV)
27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
That last bit, on the end of verse 28 is interesting isn't it? What should the tongue speaker do if there is no interpreter? "Speak to himself and to God." With what? Don't want to be too much on the nose here, but if I may be so forthright, with the gift of tongues that is used to speak to God and not man, that blesses the spirit and gives thanksgiving unto God and speaks mysteries in the spirit.
I do personally speak in tongues, and can tell you, that one does not need to make audible noise to speak in tongues. Hence it makes sense to "let him speak to himself and to God."
Anyways, I hope this could be of use to you in some manner.
I believe one has to be open to all that God wants to give His people, many people struggle unneccessarily becuase they are so in unbelief about what God can do they actually miss out on miracles.
Jesus couldnt do much miracles in certain areas because of peoples unbelief.
Some examples...the Pharisees who were very strict about the Sabbath, didnt want Jesus healing on the Sababth as it broke their man made traditions...never mind the person who was healed.
When Jesus healed a man that was blind and he could see even that wasnt good enough for some people.
People even went so far to question has this man sinned cos he was blind?
Jesus couldnt do much miracles in certain areas because of peoples unbelief.
Some examples...the Pharisees who were very strict about the Sabbath, didnt want Jesus healing on the Sababth as it broke their man made traditions...never mind the person who was healed.
When Jesus healed a man that was blind and he could see even that wasnt good enough for some people.
People even went so far to question has this man sinned cos he was blind?
If you don't mind me sharing a few thoughts please read on.
If you read 1 Corinthians 14, its hard to come away with this understanding. Edification is the point, the edification of the Church. This is about uplifting and exhorting others, in context.
Some things to consider. The believer speaks to God and not men (1 Corinthians 14:2). The believer without interpretation edifies himself, but not others (1 Corinthians 14:4). This is further emphasized when reading 1 Corinthians 14:14-17, as it goes on to say of the believer operating in the gift of tongues that he "gives thanks well enough, but the other is not edified." It also reads, just prior, "else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned sayeth Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?"
Please take note, that tongues regardless of interpretation is edifying. The interpretation part is for the edification of the Church (the context here is to edify the Church) as opposed to the believer being the only one benefiting. So here we find that tongues can edify a person who operates in the gift, and is not "only if there is somebody to understand."
Heres the kicker.
1 Corinthians 14:18-19 King James Version (KJV)
18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
Two things here. Why would he be thankful to God that he spoke in tongues more than them all? One might think it was a boast, but no, it was coming from a place of gratitude. We go back to the beginning of 1 Corinthians 14, and realize that it edifies the person operating in the gift, and it is something between God and the speaker (a means of fellowship).
Secondly, he says, "Yet in the church..." which begs the question. Where else does he speak in tongues? Possibly, maybe, in private?
1 Corinthians 14:27-28 King James Version (KJV)
27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
That last bit, on the end of verse 28 is interesting isn't it? What should the tongue speaker do if there is no interpreter? "Speak to himself and to God." With what? Don't want to be too much on the nose here, but if I may be so forthright, with the gift of tongues that is used to speak to God and not man, that blesses the spirit and gives thanksgiving unto God and speaks mysteries in the spirit.
I do personally speak in tongues, and can tell you, that one does not need to make audible noise to speak in tongues. Hence it makes sense to "let him speak to himself and to God."
Anyways, I hope this could be of use to you in some manner.
If you read 1 Corinthians 14, its hard to come away with this understanding. Edification is the point, the edification of the Church. This is about uplifting and exhorting others, in context.
Some things to consider. The believer speaks to God and not men (1 Corinthians 14:2). The believer without interpretation edifies himself, but not others (1 Corinthians 14:4). This is further emphasized when reading 1 Corinthians 14:14-17, as it goes on to say of the believer operating in the gift of tongues that he "gives thanks well enough, but the other is not edified." It also reads, just prior, "else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned sayeth Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?"
Please take note, that tongues regardless of interpretation is edifying. The interpretation part is for the edification of the Church (the context here is to edify the Church) as opposed to the believer being the only one benefiting. So here we find that tongues can edify a person who operates in the gift, and is not "only if there is somebody to understand."
Heres the kicker.
1 Corinthians 14:18-19 King James Version (KJV)
18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue.
Two things here. Why would he be thankful to God that he spoke in tongues more than them all? One might think it was a boast, but no, it was coming from a place of gratitude. We go back to the beginning of 1 Corinthians 14, and realize that it edifies the person operating in the gift, and it is something between God and the speaker (a means of fellowship).
Secondly, he says, "Yet in the church..." which begs the question. Where else does he speak in tongues? Possibly, maybe, in private?
1 Corinthians 14:27-28 King James Version (KJV)
27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
That last bit, on the end of verse 28 is interesting isn't it? What should the tongue speaker do if there is no interpreter? "Speak to himself and to God." With what? Don't want to be too much on the nose here, but if I may be so forthright, with the gift of tongues that is used to speak to God and not man, that blesses the spirit and gives thanksgiving unto God and speaks mysteries in the spirit.
I do personally speak in tongues, and can tell you, that one does not need to make audible noise to speak in tongues. Hence it makes sense to "let him speak to himself and to God."
Anyways, I hope this could be of use to you in some manner.
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Yes it does. I have to admit that this isn't an issue I have seriously dug into. I'm just certain there is something terribly wrong with so many, especially some Pentecostals, wriggling on the floor, laughing themselves silly, meaningless babblings and slain in the spirit stuff.
But I think there is more to this issue than a simple tongues are done, or tongues are not done.
But I think there is more to this issue than a simple tongues are done, or tongues are not done.
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What wonderful postings this has been---there is discussion of differences done with love and acceptance of others.
John 3:18 18 Dear children, let us not love with words or speech but with actions and in truth.
Proverbs 20:3 It is to one’s honor to avoid strife, but every fool is quick to quarrel.
John 3:18 18 Dear children, let us not love with words or speech but with actions and in truth.
Proverbs 20:3 It is to one’s honor to avoid strife, but every fool is quick to quarrel.
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