Praying in Tongues

I don’t believe I’ve ever said that. That said, as I’ve mentioned in over posts, modern tongues are very tangible; they can be recorded, transcribed, and analyzed. The results of these studies are all essentially the same. There just isn’t anything that’s being produced that can’t be explained in terms of fairly easy linguistics. The processes used, even the sounds themselves are all very easily explained. This doesn’t exactly scream “divine”.

As I said, if what was being produced today could be said to be a definite language of some sort; i.e. it had structure, a definable phonemic inventory, a relatively set grammar, syntax, etc., I’d say we’re definitely on to something quite fascinating and supernatural. But this is simply not the case. There are as many “tongues” as there are speakers and many speakers will create more than one ‘tongue’ (they’re simply drawing from a different phonemic inventory). This also does not scream “divine”. If tongues were some sort of ‘angelic’, or ‘divine’ language – a language to be spoken on the spiritual/heavenly plane, why would there ever be a need for more than just one (universal ‘tongue’)?

My worldview includes the spiritual; perhaps not in the same context as yours, but it’s most certainly there. And, yes, I recognize the spiritual in quite a bit of world music (not that it has anything to do with ‘tongues’).

Record yourself speaking for about a minute or so (and even post it here if you’d like) – play it back and listen to it – truly listen to what you’re producing. Is it really language, or merrily a façade of language?

Well, I see no point in trying further to convince someone whose mind is so tightly shut to learning.

They've actually done some recordings of it and tested it out MEDICALLY, CHECK IT OUT!:

worse than sad

5having a form of godliness but denying its power. Turn away from such as these!

7always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth.

II Timothy 3

I don’t believe I’ve ever said that. That said, as I’ve mentioned in over posts, modern tongues are very tangible; they can be recorded, transcribed, and analyzed. The results of these studies are all essentially the same. There just isn’t anything that’s being produced that can’t be explained in terms of fairly easy linguistics. The processes used, even the sounds themselves are all very easily explained. This doesn’t exactly scream “divine”.

As I said, if what was being produced today could be said to be a definite language of some sort; i.e. it had structure, a definable phonemic inventory, a relatively set grammar, syntax, etc., I’d say we’re definitely on to something quite fascinating and supernatural. But this is simply not the case. There are as many “tongues” as there are speakers and many speakers will create more than one ‘tongue’ (they’re simply drawing from a different phonemic inventory). This also does not scream “divine”. If tongues were some sort of ‘angelic’, or ‘divine’ language – a language to be spoken on the spiritual/heavenly plane, why would there ever be a need for more than just one (universal ‘tongue’)?

My worldview includes the spiritual; perhaps not in the same context as yours, but it’s most certainly there. And, yes, I recognize the spiritual in quite a bit of world music (not that it has anything to do with ‘tongues’).

Record yourself speaking for about a minute or so (and even post it here if you’d like) – play it back and listen to it – truly listen to what you’re producing. Is it really language, or merrily a façade of language?

Record yourself speaking for about a minute or so (and even post it here if you’d like) – play it back and listen to it – truly listen to what you’re producing. Is it really language, or merrily a façade of language?

you understand nothing of what we are speaking of here

and you just proved it again

you are not saved and it does not matter what you believe. you have hung around the forums long enough to know that there is one name under heaven whereby you might be saved

all you do here, is attempt to negate faith in Christ

Praying in tongues. No mystery. It's in the Book.

It even says specifically DO NOT FORBID.

Wonderful! Thank you for this simple finale on the subject.

Look, modern tongues are what they are; an entirely self created phenomenon. I'm not speaking about the 'tongues experience' here - just the phenomenon of tongues itself.

I am not negating faith - just pointing out that modern 'tongues' are not what its speakers claim or would like them to be. The 'experience' when using this spiritual tool is real; no arguments there. but the actual 'tongues' themselves are self-created.

As one internet writer (and former 'tongues speaker") put it rather bluntly: “You want this to be real. You’ve convinced yourself it’s real. You need this to be real. You’re improvising the sounds, but there is nothing about what you’re doing that cannot be explained in natural terms. The only reason it sounds like a language is that you want it to sound like a language. But it’s not. It’s meaningless.”

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It would seem the other way around.

What does the sign of tongues that has to do with mocking lips confirm ?

we are not to forbid the speaking in tongues…..

Look, modern tongues are what they are; an entirely self created phenomenon. I'm not speaking about the 'tongues experience' here - just the phenomenon of tongues itself.

I am not negating faith - just pointing out that modern 'tongues' are not what its speakers claim or would like them to be. The 'experience' when using this spiritual tool is real; no arguments there. but the actual 'tongues' themselves are self-created.

As one internet writer (and former 'tongues speaker") put it rather bluntly: “You want this to be real. You’ve convinced yourself it’s real. You need this to be real. You’re improvising the sounds, but there is nothing about what you’re doing that cannot be explained in natural terms. The only reason it sounds like a language is that you want it to sound like a language. But it’s not. It’s meaningless.”

I have also looked into this research of people speaking in tongues. It is a bit interesting. I think you do raise so good points and questions. What really counts is not whether or not one speaks in tongues, but love. Speaking in tongues is not so much proof of the filling of the Holy Spirit, in my opinion, as is the fruit of the Spirit evident in the life of the one who trusts in Jesus. The fruit of the Spirit is: love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, and temperance. ( Galatians 5:22-23)