Praying in Tongues

Yet a mother can tell you what her baby needs by the "gibberish"

It's sad so many believe God's knowledge is limited by THEIR understanding.

Yes its very sad that the Jews limited by THEIR own understanding as oral traditions of the fathers refused to hear the written tradition of God. it was offensive to them And so in their mocking God .God with mocking lips as a sign against them opened up the manner of brining new prophecy after all the nations no longer in Hebrew alone . Yet for all that they refused as in it offended them to believe prophecy and saw no evil in doing so just as today.

As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee. But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.jerimiah 44: 16 -17

it would seem God I effect replied well mock my prophecy, I will mock you as use you as a sign that all nations might understand that those Jews were following after commandments of men as a signs and wonders gospel and not after all things written in the law and the prophets (scripture)

For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.Wherefore hear the word of the Lord, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem. Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:Isiaiah 28:11-15

umm...you trying to insult me here with the above?

I defined a REAL Christian as someone who follows Christ

you actually cannot tell anyone where tongues went the last 2000 years or so ago, because you were not there

is there a reason you and others seem to think that if a person speaks in tongues or it circulates in a body of believers, they should keep a record of it for you, knowing you would come along 1500 years later, so that you might believe?

that's how what you say sounds. unreasonsable and hardly and excuse to dismiss scripture

yah know? ever hear 'these are written so that you might believe?'..oh I know that applies to Christ, but He also sent the Holy Spirit and church records are not the criteria for believing

umm...you trying to insult me here with the above?

I defined a REAL Christian as someone who follows Christ

you actually cannot tell anyone where tongues went the last 2000 years or so ago, because you were not there

is there a reason you and others seem to think that if a person speaks in tongues or it circulates in a body of believers, they should keep a record of it for you, knowing you would come along 1500 years later, so that you might believe?

that's how what you say sounds. unreasonsable and hardly and excuse to dismiss scripture

yah know? ever hear 'these are written so that you might believe?'..oh I know that applies to Christ, but He also sent the Holy Spirit and church records are not the criteria for believing

You don't really understand the true meaning of these verses Gary. The important truth that God is conveying here, is the baptism of Holy Spirit, with tongues as a sign, is that God has changed the priesthood, given a new sabbath rest, and restored what Adam lost. And all the world with him.

Tongues and prophecy or declaring the mighty works of God through Yeshua (salvation) has given us rest from works of men to please God (which fail completely with fallen man) to do the works that Yeshua performed.

He is our sabbath rest if a member of His body on earth through the new birth, and baptisms both water and Spirit. I know the last statement will bring other opinions but is what Yeshua said. And why am I now writing Yeshua? Because His name is a declaration. Jesus comes from Greek and a mythological god.

If not partaking of His rest through Spirit, then rules are being promoted. It's all of what will we believe? His work is enough to save? If not I suggest you search salvation, save, saved, and any other words that would apply to ITS FINISHED!

Well I can say that after the 4th century no church taught: baptism with the Holy Spirit and as sign for it speaking in toungues.
There only references that there was toungue speaking in churches. ( and it is not shure they meant the heretic group of montanism which exist from around 157 AD till the end of the 6th century)
And the list which stones postet are full of heretic groups with strange teachings and sects/cults.
Not realy a reason for me to believe false teachings.

The true meaning of the verse in respect to the tongues doctrine accordioning the foundation in Isiahaha28, as to what the sign confirms is that the apostate Jew that had no faith that alone comes from hearing God refused to hear prophecy, it offended their beliefs .

This is prophecy in any language to include their own tongue. God fulfilled that promise at Pentecost when he fulfilled the Joel promise at that same time . The sign that those 3000 did hear acknowledging it was God's interpretation is that they mixed faith or believed the prophecy . The outward sign was against the Jews he was mocking because they refused to believe .

The sign that a person has heard the Holy Spirit is that they believe God in their hearts which only God alone can see.

In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.! Corinthians 14:21-22

The baptism of Holy Spirit or the hearing of faith by which we can believe God , with tongues as a sign is a person has head the gospel and believed . it is like we are informed 3000 in the twinkling of the eye were given the faith of Christ to believe God and they prophesied God's words in their own tongue hearing each other although they were not of the same language or tongue.

It would seem that the doctrine has been made to no effect by those who seek afater signs hoping they will confirm rather than walking by faith mixing faith in what they do hear coming from God. No such thing as a sign gift. spitueal unseen gifts yes .

And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?Acts 2:4-7


But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:Acts 2:16-18

To prophesy is to declare prophecy "the word of God". It is not to make a noise in a hope of being heard on high as a confirmation and look for a interpretation from another man as to what the meaning is. That comes from another foundation other than Isaiah 28.

I'm sorry but I must say it. Gobbledegook. Must I interpret?

Its sad how people can be so hate filled against the gifts of the Holy Spirit... shocking

Signs are for those who rebel and refuse to hear prophecy as the one source of Christian faith as it is written

Oft-refuted, closed-minded, blinders-on hogwash.

Genesis 9:13 says, "I set My bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a SIGN of a covenant between Me and the earth.

You don't really understand the true meaning of these verses Gary. The important truth that God is conveying here, is the baptism of Holy Spirit, with tongues as a sign, is that God has changed the priesthood, given a new sabbath rest, and restored what Adam lost. And all the world with him.

Signs follow do they do not lead as something to seek after in order to confirm something. Rainbows follow rain.

It was from the encyclopedia brittanica. Was just giving info. However, we don't know if in the beginning of these groups there was heresy being taught. Plus no one has to be perfect in understanding to receive Holy Spirit. He's the Teacher.

Its sad how people can be so hate filled against the gifts of the Holy Spirit... shocking

Oft-refuted, closed-minded, blinders-on hogwash.

Genesis 9:13 says, "I set My bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a SIGN of a covenant between Me and the earth.

why do you consider yourself an expert on tongues? you have no background

however, I do have a broad and working background in music and plenty of experience...including bands and singing with others, both my own songs and cover songs

I am familiar with eastern music and different instruments. you desire to prove biblical tongues are not real

you fail to recognize the spirit in eastern influenced music because you have a worldview that does not include the spiritual

I don’t believe I’ve ever said that.

Record yourself speaking for about a minute or so (and even post it here if you’d like) – play it back and listen to it – truly listen to what you’re producing. Is it really language, or merrily a façade of language?

is there a reason you and others seem to think that if a person speaks in tongues or it circulates in a body of believers, they should keep a record of it for you, knowing you would come along 1500 years later, so that you might believe?

that's how what you say sounds. unreasonsable and hardly and excuse to dismiss scripture

This is my official mark! Now someone in 3000AD can go back and check out what kinda heretics there were in 2019!